From: Rose Dawn Area: ENOCHIAN To: Istvan Dragosani 2 Jun 95 09:39:48 Subject: Re: ZALEWSKI LECTURES, PART UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Fancy meeting you here, ID! ;> > JN>_The Enochian Evocation of Dr. John Dee_ by Geoffrey James > JN>_Elizabethan Magick_ by Robert Turner > JN>_The Heptarchia Mystica of John Dee_ by Robert Turner > > I do have a copy of the second book in the list. I've had > recommendations on the others. Weiser just did a re-issue of Geoffrey James, with a slight title change; it's now _The Enochian Magick of Dr. John Dee_. Oh, hang on a sec, did I mean Llewellyn? Yes, I sure did! . Anyway, it's now very readily available, and from what I understand, no textual changes. I've had a copy of the original checked out of Ouroboros' library for about a zillion years; LOL, now I can finally return it and get a copy o' my own! ;> I also like Laycock's _Enochian Dictionary_; has a fairly well-detailed "intro" going into some Dee-and-Kelley history, and I'm in agreement with the pronunciation recommendations . ;> Love is the law, love under will. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Josh Norton Area: ENOCHIAN To: Istvan Dragosani 3 Jun 95 13:20:00 Subject: Zalewski Lectures, Part UpdReq Thus said Istvan Dragosani to Josh Norton concerning Zalewski Lectures, Part: ID> I feel the same way, regarding the Tablets. I think a lot of people ID> go after the Aethyrs, also, because it's a simpler approach then going ID> down hierarchies. Sort of like the difference between using a GUI and ID> a command-line, no? Heh. I think there's also a general impression amongst novices that the Aethyrs are somehow "higher" or more spiritual than the regular hierarchy, and so are more desirable to invoke. Not the case in fact -- they both cover exactly the same "territory", they just map it differently. ID> Did you know that there is an OTO camp in San Francisco called Joshua ID> Norton camp? Not surprising, considering my namesake's fame in that region. There was also a Discordian cabal of that name at one time. JN>Most everybody with any experience agrees that Jerry Schueler's stuff is JN>useless. The only reason he has any reputation at all is because his JN>stuff is so much more readily available than the quality references in JN>the field. It consists mostly of bluster, errors, obfuscations, and JN>untested fabrications; the little in it that is of use was all stolen JN>from other sources. ID> That's the impression I got. When I started reading _Enochian ID> Physics_, I think it ended up flying across the room. It was extremely ID> inaccurate with its physics (which is another topic of intense study ID> for me). Reading it infuriated and sickened me -- hell, just thinking about it still sickens me. Not so much the physics (which was bad enough, as you say). But the book was so obviously designed to impress ignorant yokels. Read it fast and without thinking, and what he says sounds deeply significant; analyze what he's actually saying and it turns out that there is _not_one_paragraph_ in the whole book that has any identifiable meaning at all. Hundreds of pages of semantically null statements, dressed up as profound wisdom. JN>As for the G.D., IMO they had one good idea -- their "pyramid" method of JN>exploring individual squares. My experience has been that most of the JN>remainder is wrong. ID> Haven't looked at the G.D. If you've seen Crowley's stuff -- as I take it you have -- you've seen the G.D. system. ... Old musicians never die, they just decompose. --- Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 * Origin: Access! Information Services (666:56/155) SEEN-BY: 31/0 11 56/155 107/946 202/311 215/9393 231/0 382/502 401/0 513/200 SEEN-BY: 666/93 119 1000/1 1734/0 2000/11 4130/20 9400/0 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: ENOCHIAN To: Paul Hume 3 Jun 95 19:34:56 Subject: Books UpdReq Hi Paul! PH> You can peruse the books Josh recommends (except the Heptarchia, which PH> I really really must track down when I am in funds myself) at the Camp Is the Heptarchia in print? If so, this is news to me. 93's, Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: ENOCHIAN To: Josh Norton 3 Jun 95 19:39:46 Subject: Aethyrs vs. Tablets UpdReq Hi Josh! JN> Heh. I think there's also a general impression amongst novices that the JN> Aethyrs are somehow "higher" or more spiritual than the regular JN> hierarchy, and so are more desirable to invoke. Not the case in fact -- JN> they both cover exactly the same "territory", they just map it JN> differently. I've definitely gotten the impression from some people that they think working the Aethyrs is more advanced than working the Tablets. I'd have to agree with what someone else stated here that because of Crowley's work, that some people put the emphasis on the Aethyrs. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718