From:    Christeos Pir                          Area: ENOCHIAN
To:      Josh Norton                            23 Aug 94 20:36:50
Subject: Question                               UpdReq 

 -=> Josh Norton sent a message to Ar Aakhu-T on 18 Aug 94  14:58:00 <=-
 -=> Re: Question <=- 
 Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
 JN> Alas, with my verbal handicap, I never got a chance to try that route.
  Don't worry, you're doing jes' fine, as Grundoon would say.
 Love is the law, love under will.
      - CP
  ... Thou strivest ever; even in thy yielding thou strivest to yield

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From:    Josh Norton                            Area: ENOCHIAN
To:      Gordon                                 23 Aug 94 17:20:00
Subject: Re: enochian 101                       UpdReq 

Thus said Gordon to Josh Norton concerning Re: enochian 101: 
Hi Gordon!
Thanks for your confirming comments on this subject -- though perhaps we 
are risking "off-topic" warnings by talking about it here. Even though 
your research was several years ago, no doubt it was more recent than 
mine. I did mental disability policy research for Social Security back 
in the early '80s, and had to read several thousand case histories as 
part of the process. Nothing more recent than that.
To keep on-topic, let me remark that I don't deny there can be 
psychological problems caused by magick practice, especially Enochian 
magick. But those are precisely the same sort you get with any situation 
of high stress and/or overwork. There is little to distinguish them from 
those experienced by, say, a corporate workaholic suffering from 
"burnout". The cure is the same in either case: remove the person from 
the stressful circumstances until he regains his balance. If any other 
kinds of problems resulted, I would tend to look for other, pre-existing 
conditions as the cause.
 Go> 
 Go> Now, in fairness, this was several years ago, before 
 Go> "ritual abuse" was a touchstone issue in the Psychological 
 Go> world.  
 Go> 
It's fairly clear now that ritual abuse is a non-problem, invented and 
promulgated by opportunists of various stripes. 
 Go> 
 Go> It seems to me that if mental health disorders due to magical practice
 Go> were  common enough that any given individual was likely to see 
 Go> more than one in, say, a five year period, there would be a 
 Go> *much* larger body of literature.  I'm not calling the 
 Go> previous poster a liar, merely suggesting perhaps he 
 Go> misinterpreted the significance of magical practice as part 
 Go> of an overall diagnosis of a pre-existing disorder.
Agreed.
... Raining cats and dogs is better than hailing taxis.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10


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From:    Christeos Pir                          Area: ENOCHIAN
To:      Fir                                    23 Aug 94 22:28:36
Subject: Laycock's Enochian Dictionary          UpdReq 

 -=> Fir sent a message to All on 19 Aug 94  07:31:01 <=-
 -=> Re: Laycock's Enochian Dictionary <=- 
 Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
 Fi> I called Serpents Occult this morning about ordering something
 Fi> else and Steve has got Laycock's book in.
  Uh, you did verify that this is the new Weiser version, and not a signed
 first edition for umpteen-thousand dollars, right? <G>
 Love is the law, love under will.
      - CP
 ... But she stirred not; only by my kisses I defiled her

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From:    Fir                                    Area: ENOCHIAN
To:      Grendel Grettisson                     23 Aug 94 17:50:00
Subject: Laycock's Enochian Dictionary          UpdReq 

Fi> I called Serpents Occult this morning about ordering something
Fi> else and Steve has got Laycock's book in.
GG> Good. We ought to be getting it here in Seattle pretty quickly
GG> then.
I got mine in the mail yesterday.  Hehe. I had called to order
the Leo Vinci Enochian Dictionary but it's on backorder from
England, so when he said he had Laycock's available I jumped at it!
Regards, Fir

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From:    Grendel Grettisson                     Area: ENOCHIAN
To:      Fir                                    23 Aug 94 22:17:00
Subject: Laycock's Enochian Dictionary          UpdReq 

FF> I got mine in the mail yesterday.  Hehe. I had called to order
FF> the Leo Vinci Enochian Dictionary but it's on backorder from
FF> England, so when he said he had Laycock's available I jumped at
FF> it!
Heh. We got them today from Weiser. I have mine on hold.
Wassail,
Grendel Grettisson

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