From:    Christeos Pir                          Area: ENOCHIAN
To:      Shadow Walker                           1 Aug 94 19:41:20
Subject: Re: enochian 101                       UpdReq 

 -=> Shadow Walker sent a message to Christeos Pir on 29 Jul 94  22:24:00 <=-
 -=> Re: Re: enochian 101 <=- 
 Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
 SW> How is this any "safer"? I would think that Grant is dealing
 SW> ultimately with the same forces (those within) BUT with
 SW> different terminology and view.
  I disagree that they are the same forces. _Strongly_. Sorry, but there are
 BIG differences for most people between Angels and elemental forces of
 divine origin, and demonic, chthonic, forces that either represent "Evil" or
 those parts of our subconscious that we have packed away as too hard to
 deal with (depending on one's p.o.v.).
 It makes no difference if different people define those terms (angel, divine,
 evil, demon, etc.) in different ways: the results are the same for almost
 all of us, _expecially_ for those new to this kind of work. (We were talking
 about the possible dangers for beginners, remember.) That is, we generally
 have some notion of the difference between that which we see as benign, and
 that which we see as either malign or repressed.
 It is my experience that Enochian falls into the former category. It is my
 _understanding_ (because I have only read Grant's stuff, and not worked
 with it) that his stuff falls into the latter category.
 Hey, Az0th, what's your 93 cents on all this?
 Love is the law, love under will.
      - Christeos Pir
 ... my gifts exceed the olive and the horse.

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From:    Ar Aakhu-t                             Area: ENOCHIAN
To:      Desert Boy                              1 Aug 94 23:46:02
Subject: Looking for training                   UpdReq 

93-
DB> Absolutely!  That would be most welcome.  Magic has always
        (Scuse me for remembering the thread so vaguely- lot on my mind. 
You're responding to my offer of contact with an O.T.O. body, I believe.)
        There used to be a Camp in Milwaukee, but now the only one I have 
listed is in Chippewa Falls:
        Tower of High Sorcery Camp
        PO Box 803
        Chippewa Falls WI 54729
        But what I'd suggest is that you write to Pyramid Lodge in Buffalo. 
They have always been very involved in helping make contact and initiation 
available in the Midwest- it was their work that got things started in WI, 
Mi, and IL. I'd write to them and see who they know is active in your area. 
Tell 'em Ar Aakhu-t sent you- the co-founder of Horizon Camp in East Lansing 
MI (now Horizon Oasis in Seattle).
        Pyramid Lodge
        PO Box 1481
        Buffalo NY 14215
        Beyond this, if you want to correspond about anything you don't want 
to talk about here on the Net, you can send me e-mail (though I don't claim 
any particular expertise, especially not in the distinguished company that 
lurks around here :) or snail mail:
        Horizon Oasis
        PO Box 59152
        Renton WA 98058
        I can certainly send you basic info about O.T.O. (as can the others). 
Oh, one other contact- Bill Heidrick is the Grand Treasurer General of the 
Order and maintains a staggeringly large correspondance with people- and from 
him you can request Associate membership, which means basically 'friend of 
the Order' and gets you a subscription to the Order Newsletter. This will 
also list currently active bodies, as well as a wide number of Newsletters 
and publications and such.
        That's for starters- let me know if I can help further. BTW- there are 
a considerable number of other members here on this echo, so if you just pipe 
up and ask questions, you'll most certainly get lots of answers. :)
        Hope this helps-
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From:    Josh Norton                            Area: ENOCHIAN
To:      Fir                                     2 Aug 94 11:04:06
Subject: charts                                 UpdReq 

Thus said Fir to Josh Norton concerning charts: 
  JN> If anybody's interested, here's my take on Kelly's chart:
 JN>
 JN> Edward Kelly
 JN> DOB 8/1/1555
 JN> Wigmore, Worcester, England  52N15 02W20 (ref. London Times
 Fi> If his birth date wasn't so similar to mine, perhaps I'd drop it <G>.
Happy B'day, BTW. 
 Fi> So have you analyzed the charts and drawn any conclusions?
I'm still letting it soak in at the point. All that twelfth-house stuff 
seems appropriate for a seer of his sort, but beyond that I can't say.
... Capitalistic man exploits man; Socialism reverses this. -- Benjamin Tu
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10


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