From: Josh Norton Area: ENOCHIAN To: Christeos Pir 19 May 94 09:53:00 Subject: Enochian 101 UpdReq Thus said Christeos Pir to Josh Norton concerning Enochian 101: JN> Calls. (Caffeine is OK -- I know how Seattlites love coffee. ) CP> What!? What happened to "caffeine seems to diminish the receptivity," CP> or whatever it was you said in (I think) ET? In fact, the reason I CP> remember it (however imperfectly) is because it jived with my own CP> experience: that caffeine seems to act as a "here-and-now" enhancer, CP> and therefore doesn't mix well with "being There" work. I don't recall exactly what I said -- or where (I think it was in a footnote somewhere) -- but in general I believe you're right about the "here-and-now" effect. (My warning was a case of "Do as I say, not as I do", since I'm a caffeine addict of the first order. ) What I meant was that it doesn't seem to add any significant amount to the stress-related dangers of using the magick. Especially compared to, say, pot, acid, MDA, or speed. It's true you're better off avoiding all consciousness-altering chemicals while using the system. Even some "healthy" things can screw up your sensitivity. E.g., I don't dare drink a glass of orange juice or chew vitamin C tablets within an hour of doing an invocation, or the buzz from the vitamin C keeps me from getting into the right frame of mind. ... A democrat's generosity is limited only by your income. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Josh Norton Area: ENOCHIAN To: Kayla Block 18 May 94 11:50:02 Subject: Enochian beginnings! UpdReq Thus said Kayla Block to Christeos Pir concerning Enochian beginnings!: KB> (BTW, josh, if you're reading this, would you like me to KB> enclose a copy of this for you when i mail out that KB> database to you?) Sure. Sounds like a hoot. ... Hi yo Silver! Away! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Josh Norton Area: ENOCHIAN To: Julia Phillips 18 May 94 11:54:04 Subject: Disks :) UpdReq Thus said Julia Phillips to Josh Norton concerning Disks :): JP> Hello Josh! JP> The disks have arrived safely, although I've had no time to do JP> anything other than make sure my PC will read them. So happily, the FAT JP> is not F**KED :) Glad to hear it -- looks like the disks I sent to CP and Fir had been re-used a few too many times. (Of course, the fact that my ashtray sits right in front of my floppy drives might have had something to do with it too. ) JP> Thanks a bunch for sending them over. Yer welcome. Feel free to pass them along to others if opportunity presents. ... Reality is nothing but a collective hunch. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christeos Pir Area: ENOCHIAN To: Kayla Block 18 May 94 23:33:44 Subject: Enochian Beginnings! UpdReq -=> Kayla Block sent a message to Christeos Pir on 16 May 94 00:53:46 <=- -=> Re: Enochian Beginnings! <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. KB> do you want a copy of a pamphlet that i have KB> called 'a letter, containing a most brief discourse apologetical, with KB> a plaine demonstration, and fervent protestation for the lawful, KB> sincere, very faithful and christian course of the philosophical KB> studies and exercises of a certain studious gentlemen (doctor john KB> dee), an ancient servant to her most excellent majesty royal'? (whew! By all means! I just checked, and unless it's buried in the middle of the book, it's not in Causabon. BTW, has anyone got a translation for the 17-point essay with which the book ends, right before the appendices? Or will I have to see if I can translate it myself? KB> oops, almost forgot to answer your question. yes, i can get copies of KB> those rants out to rose----just as soon as i can refind them. Great, Save me a bunch of typing, even if Chen doesn't mind it being posted on the nets -- it IS copyrighted, after all. Thanks, Kayla. Love is the law, love under will. - CP ... O Snake that caresses the crown of mine heart! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kayla Block Area: ENOCHIAN To: Josh Norton 18 May 94 02:23:04 Subject: Recensa? UpdReq 93 josh, hmmm.....where to start? in perusing the godzilla paper a bit further, i found myself getting a bit crazed with the raphael revision tablets vs. the original tablets, (let alone the g.d. version). i have a few questions. -how long did dee/kelly work with the 'ist edition' tablets? -how long did dee/kelly work with the '2nd edition' tablets? -what made dee accept the revision? -what did dee and/or kelly say about the phenomenology of how they were told to revise the tablets? IOW, what did raphael say to kelly about the need to revise? -what made dee accept the revision? -who gave the original tablet attributions? was it raphael? or another archangel? (seems odd that raphael gave the revision and air was the only tablet which didn't move.) -and, (i know this is an odd question), what entity suggested kelly and dee swap wives? was it an enochian entity? archangel? or....? (as an aside, james book p.201 states something about a series of corrections to the watchtowers and is putting this into the same time frame as the wife-swapping stuff. hmmm...swapping tablets? swapping wives? are we at the enochian swap meet?) };-] and finally, do i need to buy a copy of causobon? seriously though, would anything pertaining to these questions be in there? i know that much of dee's stuff was burned, so there are bound to be some gaps in information, but anything that you (or anyone else out there) might know about any of this would be helpful. previously, i had thought that the raphael revision had only changed some of the letters on the tablets. i didn't realize that the placement of the tablets in relation to each other had been changed. in working with the earth tablet, i have had some puzzling things occur that i have been scratching my head over a bit. :\ potentially, these points of confusion might become a bit clearer after i can figure out some more about this raphael revision. 93, --k-- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kayla Block Area: ENOCHIAN To: King Priapus 19 May 94 02:15:26 Subject: Sigil of Amenth UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. hi king! KP> Sorry to hear about your aborted Enochian working a few nites ago. well, i've had some better luck/planning since then. :) KP> Yes, the BBS I call from (MY BBS!) has file sections, KP> but they are woefully KP> inadequate. Anything you send will be appreciated. Here's my phone, and ok, i'll see if i can dig it out. though, actually, if you're runing a board, maybe i should send you a few disks with a bunch of stuff. (though i will warn you, i'm terrible about getting stuff in the mail---so much easier to pick up the phone). let me know which you would prefer. (or i suppose i could do both). does your board allow file area access to 1st time callers? KP> Thanks a lot! Say HI to sis for me as well. will do. Love is the law, love under will. --k-- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Julia Phillips Area: ENOCHIAN To: Christeos Pir 16 May 94 21:08:22 Subject: Enochian 101 UpdReq Hello Christeos! 13 May 94 23:53, Christeos Pir wrote to Julia Phillips: JP>> You're going to laugh at me. Who is Roger Maris? CP> I was afraid of that... Baseball star from the early 60's. Okay... what's baseball? Is that some kind of game, or something? Awww... it's no good, I can't sit on the chair for sniggering. It was a good wheeze, but what with echo lag, the joke will probably die in transit. CP> ... you who have conquered by subtlety or force; If you can't get the bastards one way, get 'em another :) I'm never more dangerous than when I'm dead ;-) B*B Julia 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Grendel Grettisson Area: ENOCHIAN To: Christeos Pir 18 May 94 23:01:00 Subject: Enochian 101 UpdReq > I gather you haven't run across Josh's books. Highly recommended. You > can buy hardcopies from Black Moon, or perhaps talk him out of a copy > on disk. Or I can send you a disk. Or you can f/req them from BaphoNet. Ar-aakhut can download them from here, actually. He calls my BBS and I'm one of the main distribution points for Ben's files. Wassail, Grendel Grettisson Internet:mimir@io.com 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718