From: Kayla Block Area: ENOCHIAN To: Captain Rock 18 Apr 94 18:43:58 Subject: Re: Enochian 101 UpdReq KB> so, at this point, i'm just about finished with a set of enochian KB> boards, and gearing up for jumping on in. over the years i've CR> How about a nice game of Chess? enochian chess? -----kayla 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: ENOCHIAN To: Paul Hume 18 Apr 94 18:59:00 Subject: Box 25 or 26 UpdReq PH> If as and when you unearth it, I suspect there will only be a PH> moderate PH> sized horde of Enochian-dweebs baying at your door and waiting PH> to slobber over your dainty feet (better wear wellies). Wondering if you wrote this before or after I told Julia I would love to have a copy of anything she cares to share . Slobbering, Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: ENOCHIAN To: Josh Norton 18 Apr 94 19:07:00 Subject: Enochian 101 UpdReq Hi Josh, JN> (My reading of Dee's stuff is that the holy table, sigil of Ameth, etc. JN> were really intended for use with the Heptarchic angels, who are not JN> properly part of the same side of the work as the Calls and Tablets. JN> But as far as the Heptarchic angels go, I agree that all those JN> trappings are essential.) For real? Why do you say the trappings are essential for working with the Heptarchic angels? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Julia Phillips Area: ENOCHIAN To: Fir 17 Apr 94 10:34:48 Subject: True and Faithful UpdReq Greetings Fir! 10 Apr 94 16:50, Fir wrote to Julia Phillips: F> I would love to get a copy of any of Rufus' Enochian notes you F> might care to share. If I ever get to the box that holds them, I'll let everyone know. Mind you, Rufus's handwriting is only marginally better than Ashmole's, so it's probably still going to remain a mystery :) B*B Julia 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Julia Phillips Area: ENOCHIAN To: Kayla Block 17 Apr 94 10:36:44 Subject: Enochian 101 UpdReq Greetings Kayla! 11 Apr 94 04:06, Kayla Block wrote to Julia Phillips: JP>> 1) throw out anything you have with Schueler's name on it :) KB> yes, i did that long ago. Hehehehe - thought so :) JP>> 5) construct *yourself* the table, seals, talismans, JP>> floor covering, ring, lamen, & etc., and choose your JP>> scrying mirror/stone with some care. KB> do you think that the scrying mirror or stone needs to be exclusively used KB> for enochian? i have a black mirror that has been passed down to me, that KB> i was planning on using, but i also use it for other things. I'd say it would be fine to use, but you'll probably discover that once you start using for Enochian scrying, it won't feel quite right for anything else. Everyone I can think of has a particular scrying medium which they use for Enochia, and nothing else. If you do use it, I would give it a bit of a cleansing first. We just taught making black mirrors to our Stella Maris Coven members, and for the cleansing part, left them outside from New Moon to New Moon. Whatever medium you use, I think one of the most important things is to work a ritual to link it magically with its counterpart in your astral temple, to establish the link between the worlds. For the coven, we leave the link at that level, but for Enochian working, you would want to take it to the celestial and super-celestial worlds later. (Sorry if this is all old-hat to you, and I'm trying to teach you to suck eggs! I'm not sure what you already do... :) JP>> typically, create the temples within the terrestrial, JP>> celestial and supercelestial realms, and get used to JP>> working with the guardians in each. KB> i'm wondering what sort of guardians/temple you are referring to? are KB> these enochian entities (guardians) that you're talking about? or are you KB> speaking of a more general astral temple? or....? IOW, >>HUH< More generally, at this stage. Everyone would have their own way of doing this stage, but for me, using the elemental guardians in the terrestrial realm; the archangels in the celestial, and then the Enochian entities in the super-celestial. Bear in mind though, that I don't work with the Enochian system anymore, and only had limited practical experience with it when I was involved with the system. My comments are based more on general things than specifics... someone like Josh would probably be far more use on this particular one. JP>> 7) when the Temple is completed in the terrestrial JP>> realms (with table, etc), and you are happy with the JP>> Temples in the other realms, perform the first opening JP>> ritual with someone who has a reasonable amount of KB> this one may not be possible. though it does sound like a good idea. The Angels have a way of providing :) B*B Julia 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Julia Phillips Area: ENOCHIAN To: Paul Hume 17 Apr 94 10:47:28 Subject: TRUE AND FAITHFUL UpdReq Greetings Paul! 11 Apr 94 10:07, Paul Hume wrote to Julia Phillips: PH> Julia - PH> Isn't the interesting stuff always in box 25 of 26? Yup :) PH> If as and when you unearth it, I suspect there will only be a moderate PH> sized horde of Enochian-dweebs baying at your door and waiting to slobber PH> over your dainty feet (better wear wellies). Now you've pricked my conscience, and I promise I will try to find it today. I have a feeling it's in a trunk in the garage. The wellies are out there too, so I can kill two birds with one trip :) B*B Julia 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Julia Phillips Area: ENOCHIAN To: Paul Hume 17 Apr 94 19:21:28 Subject: Bring on the Dweebs UpdReq Greetings Paul! As you may gather from the subject, I have located box 25 of 26, and lo, a wondrous miracle occurred, I can still read Rufus's handwriting. In true Enochian tradition, it was tucked away in a secret compartment in the Ark of the Covenant... sorry wrong myth. Actually, it was in Matthew's old army trunk, but it doesn't sound quite so romantic :) It is *THICK*, but having a quick flick through, it may be feasible for me to post up the corrections (which are not on every page, by any means) in a series of posts, rather than photocopy the photocopy, and charter a 747 to carry it over. This will have the added benefit of several serious magical wills bent on making sure we don't get our feed cut again . Ooops, sorry thought I was in PODS for a moment there. LOL! Not sure when I will be able to start the posts, though, as it's Sunday night, and I am not usually able to get to the BBS during the week. Matthew wanted me to post up a message tonight saying: "entire text follows" and then type out three words and some strange ascii.... he's cruel like that. Hmmmm... posting up the corrections would assume that everyone already has a copy of the Casaubon though... is that a reasonable assumption? B*B Julia 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kayla Block Area: ENOCHIAN To: Julia Phillips 19 Apr 94 22:52:06 Subject: Enochian 101 UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. hi julia! JP> I'd say it would be fine to use, but you'll probably JP> discover that once you start using for Enochian JP> scrying, it won't feel quite right for anything else. hmmm...if that did happen with the black mirror, that would bum me out. though i have other scrying tools besides the black mirror, that i wouldn't mind utilizing exclusively for enochian, i wouldn't want the black mirror to be so limited in its use. has that been your experience with enochian scrying tools? or has that been the general rule for others you've known? JP> If you do use it, I would give it a bit of a cleansing first. We just JP> taught making black mirrors to our Stella Maris Coven care to share any tips? perhaps i should make an enochian black mirror? JP> most important things is to work a ritual to link it JP> magically with its counterpart in your astral temple, i've never actualy done that as a specific ritual. it's something that for me, develops over time in working with a particular object. what sort of rituals have you done in this context? JP> Enochian working, you would want to take it to the JP> celestial and super-celestial worlds later. (Sorry if can you clarify for me what you are referring to by celestial and super-celestial worlds? i'm not familiar with these terms in the way that you seem to be using them. what tradition do these terms come from? sounds like something out of some form of hermetic, (platonic?) tradition, but i can't quite place them. JP>> 7) when the Temple is completed in the terrestrial JP>> realms (with table, etc), and you are happy with the JP>> Temples in the other realms, perform the first opening JP>> 7) when the Temple is completed in the terrestrial JP>> realms (with table, etc), and you are happy with the i'm not actually using a table, etc. at this point. just the tablets in my normal temple space. someone, might have been christeos or josh said that they didn't feel that this would present a problem. do you have any counter opinions? JP>> ritual with someone who has a reasonable amount of KB> this one may not be possible. though it does sound like a good idea. JP> The Angels have a way of providing :) LOL! guess we'll see what happens! BTW, i have done some (rather minimal) enochian work in the past, in the context of a classroom type setting. so, perhaps that 'counts' as some sort of 'training wheels'? ;> Love is the law, love under will. -----kayla 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718