From:    Fir                                    Area: ENOCHIAN
To:      Todd Spencer                            9 Feb 94 10:49:00
Subject: Hello                                  UpdReq 

Hi Todd,
TS> Hello.  Although I'm new to this echo, I'm a longtime student
TS> of mysticism
TS> with a theoretical (and some practical) grounding in Golden
TS> Dawn, Enochian,
TS> Shamanistic, and Rosicrucian practices.
Sounds like you could bring some good knowledge and experience to
discussions here on the nets.
TS> I've always had to pursue my studies in a solitary fashion.  I
TS> could do with
TS> the perspective of other's opinions.
Had to or chosen to?  Personally it has never felt right for me to
join a group.
Welcome aboard.  I hope you will contribute to the conversations here
and elsewhere.

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From:    Christeos Pir                          Area: ENOCHIAN
To:      Fir                                    10 Feb 94 22:50:36
Subject: Hello                                  UpdReq 

 -=> Fir sent a message to Christeos Pir on 08 Feb 94  07:57:00 <=-
 -=> Re: Hello <=- 
 Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
 Fi> Has he disappeared again?
 Seems that way, unfortunately.
  Fi> Your question suggests you're interested in obtaining such material
 Fi> yourself.  I wish that if someone in the U.S. would go to the trouble
 Fi> of obtaining that stuff, that they would share copies with the rest
 Fi> of us who are interested in it over here.
 Well, as far as that kind of distribution, I have no idea what the
 copyright problems might be. Sure would be nice to have access to the
 materials without enrolling in Grad school and hassling for entry to
 the museums, though. I'd love to read Dee's material without the
 intervention of editors.
 Fi> Did you make it through the whole book - A True and Faithful Relation?
 Skimmed most of it, read and re-read some parts. There's some really
 interesting stuff mixed in with some really nothing stuff, from my
 p.o.v.
 Fi> Someone recently suggested to me that when Mathers was writing the
 Fi> GD Second Order curriculum that his primary influences (what he was
 Fi> working with?) were John Dee and the Enochian magick and the
 Fi> Abra-Melin stuff.
  Hmm... I'm no expert in that area, but it's my understanding that the
 Enochian played a major part. Other than the fact that it was
 translated and made available by Mathers, I haven't heard anything
 about the Abramelin being linked to the actual GD curriculum. Likewise
 the Goetic material.
 Love is the law, love under will.
      - Christeos Pir
 ... the Genitor-Genetrix of the Universe, whereof he is the Vessel.

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