From: Fir Area: Thelema To: Josh Norton 21 Dec 94 07:33:30 Subject: HELLO UpdReq Hi Josh, JN> Hello there! (Leering) Wanna buy a nice walmetto? Wanna buy a what? JN> Got your package, BTW. Much thanks. I haven't had a chance to sit JN> down and see it through yet -- I'll save any comments for another time. I'll be curious to hear what you think. I finished watching it for the first time a couple of nights ago. I enjoyed it but it really is Enochian 101 beginning stuff. Some nice pictures of various prints in there. The section on coloring the sides of the pyramids seemed a bit long but did a good job of explaining why each side is colored the way it is. >Fi> Hey, what do you make out of the statement in Liber Al: >Fi> There is the dove, and there is the serpent. Choose ye well! > >Fi> Leo/Scorpio is a common theme of yours, isn't it? Horus/Set, etc.? JN> Hmmm....I don't think that particular line is a Leo-Scorpio thing. JN> If the signs relate at all, it's along the Scorpio-Taurus axis. The 2 weren't meant to be related. I was rambling and switching topics. JN> But there JN> are many ways to interpret that verse, and most of them are true in JN> some sense. I'll forgo delving into them for the present. OK, I'll hit you up another time then or in a different medium. Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rose Dawn Area: Thelema To: Fir 21 Dec 94 11:09:06 Subject: Re: HELLO UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. This must be like, synchronicity day or something...heh-heh-heh, huh-huh-huh. ;> >>Fi> Hey, what do you make out of the statement in Liber Al: >>Fi> There is the dove, and there is the serpent. Choose ye well! >JN> But there >JN> are many ways to interpret that verse, and most of them are true in >JN> some sense. I'll forgo delving into them for the present. > > OK, I'll hit you up another time then or in a different medium. I just got done posting humongous globs of various bizarre stuff in the Tantra echo, and mentioned that very statement in the midst of describing an asana designed to 'work on' the Swadisthan and Anahata chakras simultaneously. _Kapota_ is the name of a sacred dove which is related to Anahata, symbolically its 'body' is the heart and its 'wings' the lungs . As you know, Kundalini is represented as a coiled serpent. It would be utterly COP'ish of me to say I think 'love and love' refer to Anahata and Kundalini/Muladhara, so I'll refrain from so doing. ;> Dove and serpent did kinda jump out at me in that context tho. Love is the law, love under will. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: All 21 Dec 94 09:50:00 Subject: Best wishes... UpdReq To everyone on THELEMA echo.... Good Yule, and a prosperous new Common year!!! 93 93/93 --.\\<-H-- michelle.hass@ledge.com * SLMR 2.1a * It's not Do what thou WHIM, it's Do What Thou Wilt!!! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Brian Watts Area: Thelema To: Christeos Pir 19 Dec 94 18:35:00 Subject: Clash Of The Aeons UpdReq 93 Christeos! -=> To Meta Therion sent a message to Andy Bender on 02 Dec 94 17:20:44 <=- -=> Re: Clash Of The Aeons <=- CP> CP> Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. CP> TMT> Personally, I don't care what aeon it is. People seem to get irate TMT> when I tell them that their magick isn't as affective as mine, and TMT> deep down inside it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. CP> CP> <<< TWIT FILTER ENGAGED >>> CP> CP> Love is the law, love under will. How did you activate Bwave's twit filter? I barely figured out how to set it up. 93 93 93 Bri- ... Your Silence Will Not Protect You. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Josh Norton Area: Thelema To: Fir 20 Dec 94 15:36:00 Subject: Solar Enlightenment UpdReq Thus said Fir to Josh Norton concerning Re: SOLAR ENLIGHTENMENT: Fi> Hi Josh! Hi! I was wondering whether that last message fell in a black hole somewhere. > Given this, it seems to me that every person > will have a "natural" grade, which is their point of greatest progress > over the course of previous lives. Once a person reaches this point, > their forward progress will probably slow appreciably -- even appear > to stop from an another's viewpoint. Instead they will spread > "outwards" > within that particular level, learning to use its facilities in > detail. Fi> Would it be fair to draw a correlation to someone who develops Fi> a magickal system, and then proceeds to spend the rest of their Fi> life refining it? Mmmm....it might take that form, I imagine. I didn't have any specific examples in mind. Given the unspeakable variety of human natures, the possible manifestations would be difficult to classify. What I was thinking had more to do with the speed of re-learning something versus learning it for the first time. During the part of life when the person is still coming up to their "natural" grade, they are really recapitulating things learned in previous lives. They have a body of internalized experience with those levels upon which to draw, and thus can re-learn it with greater speed. When they finally get to a level that is at the limits of their past experience, they have to slow down because everything is unfamiliar. Of course, all this assumes they are pushing forward at their best speed to begin with; lots of folks don't do so. Fi> How would you suggest a person seek self initiation? I think I'll dodge this question for the moment -- my mind is jumping around into non-sequiturs. Must have eaten a leprechaun. ;-) ... "It's not as if lives hang in the balance, right?" ___ X Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 X 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tim Maroney Area: Thelema To: Phillip Barker 21 Dec 94 09:30:56 Subject: Re: 111 New Suck -- er, M UpdReq > Where would you get the form to fill out? Ask any Grand Lodge member you may have contact with, or write Grand Lodge. I wouldn't think this would be one of the forms that local body officers keep around. Again, I have only the word of one person that the current form requires three signatures, so don't hold me to it.... Tim 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tim Maroney Area: Thelema To: Farrell McGovern 21 Dec 94 09:39:42 Subject: RE: Crowley on CDROM? UpdReq Yes, it's funny how Americans like to assume that English is the only language in the world! I finally found out the "standard" for representing Greek in HTML on a Web-crawl last wekk. Guess what -- you paste in tiny GIF images of the letters! AAAARRRGGGHHHH! > Are you reading the text for information content, or prose enjoyment? I don't really see much of a dichotomy there. The information I absorb is presented in texts that flow well with my thought process. Text with lots of hyper markups doesn't flow unless it was deliberately crafted that way. That's why I think an indexing approach rather than a hypertext approach is better for existing texts. > I don't think that complete rituals should be presented. Howcum? To me that seems like the best application, but then, I'm much more oriented towards the pole of "do the practice" than "become an armchair scholar about every aspect of its history and symbolism." (And yes, I realize that working the symbol-net is part of ritual practice....) It seems to me that for empowering people to actually do a ritual, there's nothing like seeing it done. As in martial arts, first one copies someone else's style, then one develops one's own. > It really doesn't take a lot to produce pro-looking video. Thanks for the suggestions (which I've left out only to save space). They look very helpful. I remain somewhat skeptical about the commonness of the aesthetic judgment needed to live up to reasonable quality standards, though. We'll see! Tim 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tim Maroney Area: Thelema To: Loki 21 Dec 94 09:44:20 Subject: RE: Crowley on CDROM? UpdReq > If .html cannot handle different character sets, I would rule it out > unless some updates are on the way... There is something called HTML+ in the works, but I haven't Web-crawled the details yet. If it doesn't do what we need, maybe we can still influence its design, since it's not cast in stone yet. I'll check after Xmas. > [Hyperlinks] could only appear when a modifier key is pressed.... Requires writing a new browser, though, and one that works on both Mac and Windows isn't all that easy. Not immensely difficult either, though. Hmm. I just had a thought. HTML may not be scalable to very large data sets without additional indexing software. It's meant for small documents with linear search. Something to think about. Tim 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tim Maroney Area: Thelema To: Paul Hume 21 Dec 94 10:01:26 Subject: Re: Queries for OTO Members. UpdReq Paul, your analysis of Order-wide bad report misses one important point. The accusation is always serious, but the accusation is not always true. Given the hierarchical nature of the organization, a false accusation by someone of much higher degree may be effectively impossible to defend oneself against, particularly since the Order does not affirm the principle of "innocent until proven guilty". In such a case, the only course of action may be that of Sun Tzu, as quoted by Hagar the Horrible: "If you sit by the side of the river long enough, you will see the bodies of your enemies float by." Tim 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718