From: Walter Five Area: Thelema To: All 16 Dec 94 10:50:10 Subject: JM & JN UpdReq From: walter5@brewich.com (Walter Five) Newsgroups: pod.thelema Subject: JM & JN Fir@f311.n202.z1.fidonet.org (Fir) writes: > > Hey, what do you make out of the statement in Liber Al: > > There is the dove, and there is the serpent. Choose ye well! > > It means "I think I'll have the Dove under Glass; Serpent gives me heartburn!" Blessed Beast! Walter Five ------------------ walter5@brewich.com (Walter Five) Origin: The Brewers' Witch BBS -- Houston, TX -- +1 713 272 7350 3 lines 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Will Bridewell Area: Thelema To: Bruce Kroeze 15 Dec 94 21:40:02 Subject: Queries for OTO Members. UpdReq BK> Initiation. The OTO initiations have had profound effects on my life. BK> Reviewing my journal, I find that the periods that I was a minerval, a BK> first, and now a second are clear and obvious. Magickal growth. I have heard much praise for the OTO initiations, and am not sure what kind of effect they actually have on a person. Is it an opening to new strains of thought, is it an aid in increasing magickal power? I have always held in my mind that it was a way to open one to the influences of Kundalini, but I am not the experienced one in this. Who decides when you are to be initiated? Does it ever occur or is it possible for someone to be initiated before the "right" time? Are periods between initiations excessively long (in your experience), because I hear from and meet quite a few people involved in the first 4 degrees(including minerval), but have not met anyone higher. What is your opinion for the reasons behind this. Do people quit or are they just not deemed worthy (for lack of a better word) to advance? I know that is a lot of questions, and that most of them call for opinionated answers, but where else can I find them, eh? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718