From: Doug Plexico Area: Thelema To: Michelle Hass 9 Dec 94 08:15:04 Subject: Copy-rights... UpdReq DP>That is a shame. Crowley's works should be Public Domain. DP>It's like having a copyright on the Bible! MH> I would hope that there wasn't a parallel between Crowley's works and MH> the Bible...I don't consider any scripture inerrant and infallable like MH> Christians look at the Bible. I could see a world of trouble coming from MH> such a stand. Context. Context. Context. If I have to explain my statements, I sure you do not understand what Crowley writes! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Doug Plexico Area: Thelema To: Tony Iannotti 9 Dec 94 08:13:12 Subject: Crowley on CDROM? Rec'd UpdReq DP> I went to COMDEX this month and talked to the DP> folks who do this. I am DP> awaiting futher info in the mail from them concernign DP> this. I will post the info when I get it. DP> Reply to your message, Same message as above. TI> ????? TI> I think my question was about who you were talking to. TI> They are not the _only_ "folks who do this," so I was TI> curious exactly which company or companies you were TI> talking to. If you have forgotten who they are, and are TI> waiting for the mail to find out, just say so. What? I did say so. See above. "I am awaiting futher info in the mail from them concerning this, I will post the info when I get it." Unquote. You should really read what I post! :) 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Doug Plexico Area: Thelema To: Martin Krogh-Poulsen 9 Dec 94 08:27:42 Subject: Crowley on CDROM? UpdReq MK> them, it is the Law to give. MA> Then they shall chance to abide in this bliss or MA> no; it is no odds. Do MA> this at 28,800 baud! Egads! I am a sinner and not worthy of life, as I do this at only 14,400 baud! I will go slit my wrist as soon as I am able.... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Doug Plexico Area: Thelema To: Tony Iannotti 9 Dec 94 08:12:08 Subject: Sarcasm Rec'd UpdReq DP> That is a shame. Crowley's works should be Public DP> Domain. It's like having a copyright on the Bible! TI> Yeah, it's too bad Crowley didn't see it that way. Or TI> any other author whose writings you find inspiring. How TI> dare they claim copyright! ;-) Sarcasm: That really wasn't necessary. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: Thelema To: Joseph Max 11 Dec 94 12:39:40 Subject: Re: CARROLL & INITIATION UpdReq Hi Joseph, Another interesting, informative, and provocative post of yours. JM> In the group I associate with, the JM> AutonomatriX (A:.X), each initiate designs hir _own_ JM> initiation with the assistance of the already initiated JM> members of the Temple they will be affiliating with. I was surprised when a local A:.X friend of mine mentioned he'd be attending some inits when visiting San Francisco this winter. The idea of formal inits within a chaos magick order sounded very foreign to me. The IOT will be sponsoring a workshop locally on chaos magic by Phil Hine. I'm unfamiliar with him. Think he's worth shelling out a few bucks for? JM> Carroll devised two self-initiatory workings, Chaos Monasticism JM> and Chaos Jyhad. Another IOT adept devised the Eucharist of Chaos, JM> and I myself devised the Oracle of Chaos (BTW, these relate JM> to the four elementals - wands, swords, disks and cups JM> respectively). Without going into too much detail (unless someone is JM> interested), each is a self-initiatory working in which the aspirant JM> takes a magical oath to adhere to a strict set of observences JM> for a set period of time. I'd be interested in hearing about the working you devised. A set period of time? I assume that time limit is set by the initiatory candidate? Regards, Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Serpens Area: Thelema To: Fir 12 Dec 94 13:26:02 Subject: Re: DIS & DAT UpdReq Fir - 93. Re: Jay Solomon's commentary on Liber AL...I don't think Christeos was asking who this was...unless I am mistaken, everyone in the Middle Atlantic states (in this subculture, that is) has run across some reference to Jay at one time or another. Selling a "rare" copy of Complete Works of AC to some poor sucker for $200 (when it is still in print from Yogi Publications for $25) is one anecdote (NO - it wasn't ME! (g)). Having thoroughly enjoyed the author's book on running magical groups (principle thesis: most of your members are sheep, so shear them - of COURSE I wouldn't apply these management principles to William Blake (g)) I had missed that he had an AL comment out - most of his encomiums in his other books are for LaVey (Jay's a present or schismatic priest in CoS) - but suggesting that leavings are, in essence, winter wine (wine with its alcohol content increased by freezing out the water) is typically idiosyncratic. Refreshing on a hot day, though. Paul 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: Thelema To: Josh Norton 11 Dec 94 12:05:10 Subject: JM & JN UpdReq Hi Josh, >Fi> JM and JN. Talk about confusing. From my perspective reading this >Fi> post, I don't see you 2 as being on opposites sides of everything. JN> I don't think we are. I'm just being contrarian. LOL. You ought to see his chart. He's born 2 days after me. The same 6 planets I've got in the 8th he's got in the 9th. Hey, what do you make out of the statement in Liber Al: There is the dove, and there is the serpent. Choose ye well! Leo/Scorpio is a common theme of yours, isn't it? Horus/Set, etc.? Went to a talk by an Ojibe (sp.?) Indian about the Dream world. He voiced that in the waking world Will is what brings things to us and in the dream world Desire is what brings things to us. Course I made the correlation of will/desire as leo/scorpio. TTYL! Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Keith S Schurholz Area: Thelema To: Martin Krogh-Poulsen 11 Dec 94 17:54:42 Subject: Re: C.F. Russell and Michael Bertiaux UpdReq MK> How can one get ahold of this "Logos, Mantram, and Magic" text? MK> MK> I am VERY interested :) MK> 93! If you read Spanish, there is a bookstore in LA that often has his work in "Bootleg" editions from El Salvador, as well as others from Brazil. It is the Liberia Azteca. - Don't have the address on me, but it is in the phone book. If you want to read our translation, we are publishing it, prob. early next year.- you can reach me at Pangenetor Lodge. We are also planning to release a new translation of "The Eucharist" by Clement De Saint MarK - a book that was on the original, Reuss-era O.T.O. reading list. That will be ready by Jan. 17/95 at the latest, at which date I will be performing Liber XV and lecturing on the history of the Gnostic Church. To attend contact PG Lodge. The lodge has a wide selection of Booklets available, as well as calendars, buttons, t-shirts, and the acclaimed first issue of RED FLAME - a complete collection of the poetry of Grady M. former O.H.O. We do an "open house" every month, and there are usually a few other activities as well. 93:93/93 Keith S Schurholz 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Keith S Schurholz Area: Thelema To: Martin Krog-Poulsen 11 Dec 94 17:58:00 Subject: Re: C.F. Russell and Michael Bertiaux UpdReq MK> Do you know the "Story" behind Bertiaux's initiation of Peter Robert MK> Knig up to the XIth Degree and the passing on the Authority of the MK> Mem&Mis of the "Holy Roman Empire"? 93! I refuse to deal Herr. Konig in any way - sorry, but this guy is just beneath contempt. 93:93/93 Keith S Schurholz 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: Thelema To: Doug Plexico 13 Dec 94 20:44:40 Subject: Crowley on CDROM? UpdReq TI> I think my question was about who you were talking to. TI> They are not the _only_ "folks who do this," so I was TI> curious exactly which company or companies you were TI> talking to. If you have forgotten who they are, and are TI> waiting for the mail to find out, just say so. DP> What? I did say so. See above. "I am awaiting DP> futher info in the mail from them concerning this, I DP> will post the info when I get it." Unquote. You DP> should really read what I post! :) Maybe I am not being clear. (and I have read what you posted.) Question: What company are you talking about with these prices? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: Thelema To: Doug Plexico 13 Dec 94 20:47:48 Subject: Sarcasm UpdReq DP> That is a shame. Crowley's works should be Public DP> Domain. It's like having a copyright on the Bible! TI> Yeah, it's too bad Crowley didn't see it that way. Or TI> any other author whose writings you find inspiring. How TI> dare they claim copyright! ;-) DP> Sarcasm: That really wasn't necessary. We are really getting off on the wrong foot here. Apologies for the sarcasm. Question: Why do you think the authors of bibles should be denied copyright protection when and if they desire it? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718