From: Tim Maroney Area: Thelema To: Kevin Bold 8 Dec 94 10:45:16 Subject: Re: 111 New Suck -- er, Members UpdReq > You can have a camp with only one initiated member. My understanding is that three initiate signatures are required on a camp application. I haven't seen the form, though. Tim 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tim Maroney Area: Thelema To: Loki 8 Dec 94 11:03:56 Subject: RE: Crowley on CDROM? UpdReq I've been looking at HTML authoring tools over the last few days. I'm not impressed. It appears that if there are Greek, Hebrew, Arabic, and Coptic extensions, they're not implemented by any of the readily available viewers and editors, which is a rather serious deficit for Crowley texts. Hypertext is well-named, anyway -- with an emphasis on the "hype". I don't think an existing text is enriched by having every reference to the Tree of Life printed in blue bold underline, for instance. Text authored specifically for hypertext might be able to get away with these constant disfigurements of the prose, but existing texts would have their flow entirely disrupted. A traditional index is better. Rather than hypertext per se, we should be looking at cross-platform text indexing tools, with an option for hypertext-like viewing in which one can =ask= (perhaps with the option key or something of the type) to see which phrases in the text being viewed have index entries. Ted Nelson (the inventor of hypertext) is a great hand-waver, but his stuff has never panned out in the real world. That said, the multimedia content you are discussing does sound like an excellent idea. Certainly rituals are better presented as rituals rather than as scripts. How many more people would be able to do a ritual after seeing someone do it in a QuickTime movie rather than reading a sparse description of the text and gestures? Unfortunately, such content is expensive to produce, and requires a good deal of talent and training to do right. Occultism in generally is letting itself be watered down to fanzine quality levels, and I'd hate to see amateurish home videos accelerate that trend. One of the main things that has attracted me to the tradition is the style and grace evident in traditions like the Golden Dawn and Thelema, and one of the things that disturbs me most is the clunky ugliness of books from publishers like New Falcon and Llewellyn. Are there video artists in the community who would be up to the significant challenges of capturing rituals to disc? Tim Maroney 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: Thelema To: Christeos Pir 10 Dec 94 11:03:12 Subject: Stargate (2 of 4) UpdReq CP> BTW, Tony and Az0th: this message never made it to CP> the Arena (or if it did CP> I was too burnt and overlooked it). We definitely had a mailflow problem end of Nov/first few days of Dec, but I think it's fixed now. Please let me know of any other missing messages since last weekend. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: Thelema To: Christeos Pir 10 Dec 94 11:06:24 Subject: OCR UpdReq CP> Excuse ME... I wasn't thinking any further than a good handheld, and CP> you're talking flatbeds? Actually, that was just the software, ;-) but I would say that a flatbed is a necessity for any real amount of OCR, prolly want a sheet feeder too. I have over 10,000 pages in the archives that I want to scan. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: Thelema To: Tim Maroney 10 Dec 94 11:11:24 Subject: Re: 111 New Suck -- er, Members UpdReq > You can have a camp with only one initiated member. TM> My understanding is that three initiate signatures are required on a camp TM> application. I haven't seen the form, though. Used to be only one, but they may have changed it since I had Sappho Camp in '80-'83. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Andy Bender Area: Thelema To: To Meta Therion 8 Dec 94 10:40:00 Subject: Clash Of The Aeons UpdReq Greets To Meta, TT> Personally, I don't care what aeon it is. People seem to Well, that's good, although I wonder, if you don't care what aeon it is, why you make such a point of stressing that certain people are old aeon, certain people are new aeon, and those that are old aeon are of a lesser quality than those who are new aeon. You surely cannot deny this, as your message that started this thread included a reference to the "old aeon misinterpretations" of some fellow or another. (I think you were pointing out that Crowley wasn't *fully* in his senses, but only party in his senses, because he was born before the "new aeon".) By implications, you are suggesting that it is because of his "old aeon" affiliations that he has misinterpreted, umm, Kenneth Grant I think it was. That said, I'm not quite sure how you can say you don't care what aeon it is. TT> get irate when I tell them that their magick isn't as TT> affective as mine, and deep down inside it gives me a warm TT> fuzzy feeling. I don't believe in any concept of Heaven Silly, and per the To Meta Therion ego, predictable. How can you possible know if your magic is more affective [sic] than anybody else's? And how can you make this claim purely based upon whether they are "new aeon" or "old aeon" when you claim that you have no interest in which aeon we are in? Many of your previous messages have stated, quite plainly, that you believe your magic is more effective *because it is new aeon*. What's with the contradictions? TT> The aeons are periods in time. How do they affect us? TT> They seem to add a bit different energy to the human TT> consciousness. Is any aeon better than any other? Well, TT> truthfully, no. There seems to be no proof that Osirian TT> Magickians, Isisian magickians and Horus Magickians TT> techniques are any better. (I have met a few powerful TT> wiccans that I wouldn't mess with, and they seem to follow TT> Isisian magick.) The only difference seems to be the path TT> to enlightenment that one chooses. Then why do you presume that your magic, becauase it is "new aeon", is more effective than practitioners of "old aeon" magic? In L.V.X. ___ X RM 1.3 01655 X I wish life had a scroll-back buffer... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718