From: Balanone Area: Thelema To: Josh Norton 26 Oct 94 16:42:04 Subject: Synthesis and exposition UpdReq On Oct 17 '94, 21:36 Josh Norton wrote in a message to Michael Aquino re: book of coming forth MA> Every particularization expands the scope of the principle - MA> pushes outwards on the limits of its universe, one might say. In MA> the case of the principle of consciousness of the self (=Set), this MA> would be no less the case, and the Neter would partake of the MA> awareness of its particularizations accordingly. You might Cf. MA> Georg Hegel's discussions of the "overmind", although he saw the MA> OM as something *driving* and controlling individual minds on MA> a collective basis - which would not apply to a Setian situation of MA> each individual mind possessing [at least the potential for] free MA> will. JN> ** Sigh ** Maybe I should just drop this; seems like you are JN> starting to revert to "dodge-'em" mode again. Let's forget JN> Hegel; he's really as irrelevant to the discussion as JN> Husserl was the last time around. And he has a bad habit of JN> treating things with different kinds of reality as if they JN> had the same sort. JN> What I'm interested in is what you, Michael Aquino, Magus of JN> the Aeon of Set and Ipsissimus of the Temple of Set, JN> perceive the situation is from your _own_ experience. One JN> would think that you have had experiences relevant to the JN> question, and have synthesized some sort of model of the JN> relationship between the Neter and its particularization in JN> yourself, so that you don't have to depend on other JN> people's ideas. Grin, Josh, your impatience is showing. You're asking someone who has spent a very large portion of his life exploring these questions, discussing them, refining them, and who has published the results of his explorations in some very marvelous documents within the Temple of Set, to explain it all to you in the network equivalent of sound bites. Any attempt to do so, within the size constraints of a network message, in language you would understand (devoid of the Setian symbolism / jargon / shorthand we've developed to condense meanings into shorter statements), would be useless; the response would be so general as to be misleading and unsatisfactory. You therefore have a choice. You can complain about not getting your sound bites, or you can take the time to explore the meaning of the very clear expositions you've already rejected. One path gives you the puffed-up feeling (you've "shown up" the Magus of the Aeon); the other leads to Initiation. Balanone PP FidoNet: Balanone at 1:203/444.15 Internet: Balanone@tefnut.astaroth.sacbbx.com 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Andy Bender Area: Thelema To: Corky Mcgraw 24 Oct 94 16:11:00 Subject: A Place To Start UpdReq Greets Corky - CM> Can someone suggest a place for me to start? Books, mags, etc... for CM> the people just getting into this. My initial recommendation is usually _The Kybalion_ by Three Initiates, published by the Yogi Publication Society. This little volume details the basic philosophy behind Hermetic magic, which Thelema is derived from. I've always found that some philosophical background is useful before jumping into studying the practice. In L.V.X. ___ X RM 1.3 01655 X Ankh if you love Isis! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Andy Bender Area: Thelema To: Ar Aakhu-T 24 Oct 94 10:55:02 Subject: Thelemic Marriage Ritual UpdReq Greets! Thanks for telling me about your own marriage ritual. I won't quote it here, since it's all wonderful and quite long, and I imagine you must have some idea of what you wrote! :) We have considered the problems faced when people are attending who do not practice magic and would be quite freaked out by any over displays of ceremony that they have never come across. One of our remedies, thus far, is to create a dance (which my fiance studies) between four of our friends. Each will represent one of the elements, and will be a sort of choreographed LBRP. Looking forward to this one! Other "tricks" are in the works. Using talismans, as you suggest, sounds like a good idea, and one that I'll definitely consider. TTFN! LVX A. ___ X RM 1.3 01655 X Metermaids eat their young... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: Corky McGraw 27 Oct 94 09:17:00 Subject: Re: a place to start UpdReq On 10-24-94 Corky McGraw wrote to Michelle Hass... CM> OK! I WILL ASK! What is thelema, exactly??? It's a philosophy of freedom and the concept that all qualities we assign to divinity are actually potentials of human evolution. This philosophy holds as its main axiom that the highest pursuit any human being can pursue is to find ones purpose in life (True Will) and do it, without interference with other Wills. MH> And I would suggest strongly picking up "Magick Without Tears", which MH> is printed by New Falcon Publications. It's a great introduction to MH> Crowley's philosophy of Thelema and to applied magick. And it was MH> written as correspondence between Crowley and a beginning-level MH> student. CM> I will try that book. Let's see how long it will take me to find it. CM> Next time I go into a city will look for it. You won't be sorry. Anyone out there in Cyberland have New Falcon's mail order address? Send Corky a message with that address, please. --.\\<-H-- ... OFFLINE 1.35 * Stars shine even when it's cloudy. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: To Meta Therion 27 Oct 94 09:24:02 Subject: a place to start UpdReq On 10-25-94 To Meta Therion wrote to Michelle Hass... MH> BTW why do you call yourself To Meta Therion? Do you believe you have MH> transcended the work of To Mega Therion? (Meta = Beyond, Greek.) TM> I certainly hope that I can in the future. It is my belief TM> that each of us should aid in the spread and influence of TM> Crowley's material. Eventually, it would be wonderful if TM> it could worm its way into science, and become part of the TM> accepted beliefs of the masses. There is much of Liber AL that makes sense only when one takes into consideration Quantum Physics and certain branches of New Science. TM> I am not yet Ipissimus, but I devote my life to the attainment of such a TM> lofty goal. I may not succeed, but the joy will be in the TM> getting there, not in the attainment itself. Careful, TMT. There is only One who sits at the top of the Tree, and He has been there since even before the dawn of the Aeon of Isis. He is not human, in fact, some say He is a God. And His name is Hermes the Thrice-Greatest, Tehuti, the Gate between the Gods and Humanity. The highest level any mortal can reach on the Tree is that of 9 = 2. Crowley forgot this, and suffered a great downturn in his fortunes. Anyone who dares to attempt to unseat Tehuti from His place is doomed to return to the Abyss, and become food for Choronzon. These are words that do not come from my own understanding. Meditate on this message, and think again about your goals, Brother. --.\\<-H-- ... OFFLINE 1.35 * Stars shine even when it's cloudy. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: To Meta Therion Area: Thelema To: Silveroak 27 Oct 94 18:29:18 Subject: Re: Thelema & Its Studie UpdReq S> book or is it photocopies of a book in a binder? Still 225$ is a bit much. S> Seeing as me and the fiance have a little one comming in december I will S> have to keep it on the back burner for now. But thanks alot for the address I don't know, but I sent off for more info and will keep you updated if I can. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Neysa Dormish Area: Thelema To: Andrew Haigh 26 Oct 94 11:42:14 Subject: Covens UpdReq AH> Angry old man? Wrong on the first two counts AH> buckaroo. Neither angry nor old, Male yes, angry and AH> old no. You seem to have it in mind that I am AH> something that I am not. Never pre-script anything AH> as it will only lead to your disappointment. Perhaps I should mind my own business but I really enjoy seeing people who know their soul, or are trying to know it. Glad you and others like you are out there. Thanks... Another egg 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718