From: To Meta Thereon Area: Thelema To: Andrew Haigh 23 Oct 94 12:54:34 Subject: Covens UpdReq I do not understand your disrespect for humankind. If you haven't the common courtousy to respect others opinions, then how is it that you can even consider yourself a magickian. I am sorry if I offended your all powerful ego and delivered to you news that settled poorly in your stomach, but reality is a powerful trip, and you are never coming down. If you want to hide in your room all day and pretend like you are affecting the world with your all so important Will, then I believe you are the one who should be reading the books. You are the one that hasn't grasped the intricacies of magickal thought. If you believe that you are greater or more important than me, then I cannot value your opinions on magick because you have ignored the primal rule of "Every man and woman is a star." This sentiment is found in all natural pagan paths also. Now, if you want to challenge me to a childish war of words, then I suggest that you just log off right now, think about what you are doing, and reevaluate your purpose. Perhaps you are a great magickian. Perhaps you can make the very ground tremble at your touch, but as an angry old man, you lose all the respect of others by attempting to overpower them with hatred. The most volitile spirits will depart if you invoke Venus, but Mars just spurns them on. May Choronzon be gentle on your soul. TMT 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: To Meta Thereon Area: Thelema To: Michelle Hass 23 Oct 94 13:07:24 Subject: a place to start UpdReq MH> MH> For one thing, most of Crowley's works are in electronic form on most MH> PODS BBSes. Get a good look at The Book of the Law, for one thing. MH> Really? Which ones? I would be interested in perusing some of his rare commentaries. MH> And I would suggest strongly picking up "Magick Without Tears", which MH> is printed by New Falcon Publications. It's a great introduction to MH> Crowley's philosophy of Thelema and to applied magick. And it was MH> written as correspondence between Crowley and a beginning-level MH> student. Good suggestion. I definately agree that anyone starting out in Thelema should have this book. I only wish that I would have had it when I began. It would have made many things simpler. When Love is all you have, give it away. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Josh Norton Area: Thelema To: Michael Aquino 23 Oct 94 10:49:04 Subject: book of coming forth UpdReq MA> My answer to your question was completely straightforward. Hegel's dialectic MA> idealism is quite pertinent both to your query and to the philosophy of the MA> Temple of Set generally - as, for that matter, to Crowley, whose GD-derived MA> concept of "successive, evolving aeons" is DI in "occult drag". Forgive me, but no one except a tenured professor would consider your answer responsive, especially in light of my request that the answer concern what _you_ have discovered from _your_own_ _experience_. The literary corpses of dead philosophers -- or dead magicians -- aren't important at all; what is important is what you have taken from them, what you have made of what was taken, how you use it, and where you have gotten as a result. Ah, well. No point in continuing this, I suppose. ___ X SPEED 1.30 [NR] X 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Grendel Grettisson Area: Thelema To: Julia Phillips 22 Oct 94 23:04:00 Subject: CHAOS MAGICK? UpdReq > "Prime Chaos is Phil's first proper book with a flat spine, 135 pages of > practical, provocative material which illustrates how to expand magickal > ideas and methods based on both a solo and a group basis. The emphasis > is on experimentation and magick as a way of _living_ rather than > something to _do_ in life. ... He gives a lucid explanation of the > nature of Chaos Magick, stressing the importance of freedom in weaving > one's own path rather than following one already laid. ... Prime Chaos > blends sorcery and shamanic magick with postmodernist ideas, exploring > use of drama, Voodoo theatre, Cybersorcery and virtual magick as options > for development. ..." > Hope that excerpt gives you a bit of an idea of what it's all about :) > Don't ask me to comment on the book though, 'cos I haven't read it. I just bought it. It's a little expensive for its size but it looked good enough that I bought it. Wassail, Grendel Grettisson Internet:mimir@io.com 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Grendel Grettisson Area: Thelema To: Zeekram 23 Oct 94 00:49:00 Subject: Fire! UpdReq ZZ> Ok,I see all of your games... And I do have to admit, they are ZZ> amusing... But I am doing this for personal goal... And ZZ> besides, If I am to be a wizard, I am gonna need to know how to ZZ> work with the elements.... You're also going to need to get a clue. Try that first. Wassail, Grendel Grettisson 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Grendel Grettisson Area: Thelema To: All 23 Oct 94 01:19:06 Subject: The Sacred Grove UpdReq The Sacred Grove will be going off-line as of November 1. After more than four years in existance, I'm finding the running of a BBS to be overly tiresome and expensive for the fun and interesting discussion (or lack thereof of late) that I receive in return. In Seattle, Sidhe Mail run by Herb Mitchell will still be active as will be the Helix. It has been fun but PODS has gotten less and less interesting and more and more repetitious and boring over the last year or so. The same conversations (that were boring after the first time) repeated over and over again. Silly continual arguments of semantics about "What is a Pagan?" and constant irritants from people that probably should know better. Enough for me in any case. If anyone cares to find me or communicate with me electronically, I will continue to be quite active on the Internet. I have a PPP direction connection from home now through my new job and I administrate or co-administrate the Troth e-mail list for Asatru and the Nemeton-l list for Celtic pagans. My e-mail address is mimir@io.com. It's been fun but it got old. I'll miss some of you and definately not miss a number of you. Sorry if this sounds too obnoxious for some but I had little enough tolerance for ignorant people at the best of times and PODS seems more and more full of them all of the time though some special ones have been here forever. Wassail, Grendel Grettisson mimir@io.com 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718