From: Michael Aquino Area: Thelema To: Fir 18 Oct 94 07:00:08 Subject: Re: Sekhmet UpdReq Fir> Doesn't Egyptian mythology also place her as being married to Ptah? From Veronica Ions, _Egyptian Religion_ (a superb survey): "Sekhmet, consort of Ptah and goddess of the Memphite triad, was brought into conjunction with the creator-god because of the geographical proximity of her cult rather than because she shared her husband's functions. Her role was that of defender of the divine order, not as creator of it; and mythology associated her more with her father Ra than with her husband Ptah. "Sekhmet's title was the 'Mighty One', and she was a fierce goddess of war and strife and bringer of destruction to the enemies of Ra. In fact she was considered the Eye of Ra, representing the scorching, destructive power of the Sun. As we have seen, Hathor took the form of Sekhmet in the legend of the Destruction of Mankind, her fury becoming so uncontrollable that she would have annihilated the human race had Ra not taken pity and made her drunk. In commemoration of this near-escape, orgiastic drinking festivals were held in her honor. Sekhmet was placed as the _uraeus_ serpent on Ra's brow, where she guarded the Sun-god's head and spat forth flames at his enemies. "Sekhmet was sometimes identified with Bast; and occasionally she was associated with Mut: Six hundred statues of Sekhmet adorned the entrance to the Temple of Mut. "Sekhmet was usually represented as a woman with the head of a lioness wearing the solar disk and the _uraeus_; but she was also depicted with a head formed of a crocodile or of the Eye of Ra, the _udjat_. Sometimes Sekhmet was shown like Min, with her upraised arm brandishing a knife." 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Aquino Area: Thelema To: Doral 18 Oct 94 07:03:08 Subject: Re: Fire! UpdReq Ze> Does any one know a simple ritual for fire? Dor> Matches. Lighters work to. Seriously, if there is a way to do Dor> something that doesnt require magic, dont use magic. Just common sense. Magic is in fact the easiest, simplest, and most direct means for accomplishing what you wish to accomplish, so in this case it would be a match or a lighter. [AC points this out in his introduction to _Magick_.] 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Aquino Area: Thelema To: Josh Norton 19 Oct 94 05:54:10 Subject: Re: book of coming forth UpdReq JN> ** Sigh ** Maybe I should just drop this; seems like you are starting to JN> revert to "dodge-'em" mode again. Let's forget Hegel; he's really as JN> irrelevant to the discussion as Husserl was the last time around. And he My answer to your question was completely straightforward. Hegel's dialectic idealism is quite pertinent both to your query and to the philosophy of the Temple of Set generally - as, for that matter, to Crowley, whose GD-derived concept of "successive, evolving aeons" is DI in "occult drag". 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Aquino Area: Thelema To: Michelle Hass 19 Oct 94 05:56:40 Subject: Re: Sekhmet UpdReq MA> Sekhmet's own cult center her husband was the lion-god Nefertum. MH> That's a bit of info I've never heard. Isn't Nefertum the deity of the MH> setting sun? And how did they relate to each other...was Sekhmet My mistake [see my subsequent post & quote from Ions]. Nefertum was the *son* of Sekhmet & Ptah in their triad. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kali Area: Thelema To: All 21 Oct 94 01:09:12 Subject: Just a dumb question UpdReq From: ma@brewich.com (Kali) Newsgroups: pod.thelema Subject: Just a dumb question When you start your letters with "93" what does that mean? Learning about Thelema ------------------ ma@brewich.com (Kali) Origin: The Brewers' Witch BBS -- Houston, TX -- +1 713 272 7350 3 lines 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Andy Bender Area: Thelema To: To Meta Thereon 17 Oct 94 11:17:00 Subject: Covens UpdReq Greets Tomato Therion - TT> JP> Most witches I know are more likely to be well- TT> JP> read in Crowley than in Buckland . TT> Wow! Covens that are well-read in Crowley! Hell, we're TT> lucky to have Thelemites well-read in Crowley from what I TT> have heard. It would be most impressive to see Wiccans TT> wandering around discussing Uncle Al. What do you mean "from what I have heard"? Have you ever met a Thelemite, and asked him or her yourself? TT> I'm lucky if anyone I speak to has even read Liber AL TT> Legis. I guess I need to exit the States for awhile. See above. What basis do you have for this complaint? I've never met a Thelemite that has not read this, and frankly, I doubt that you have. ___ X RM 1.3 01655 X Hastur! Hastur! See, nothing happe$%@!).#^NO CARRIER 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Andy Bender Area: Thelema To: Ar Aakhu-T 17 Oct 94 09:50:02 Subject: Thelemic Marriage Ritual UpdReq Greets - AA> The ritual I've heard of being used is The Gnostic AA> Mass, in a version where the people being married are the AA> communicants- special emphasis made on the part of the AA> collects "Unto them that this day unite with Love under AA> Will let fall success..." etc.- Tau Apiryon can probably AA> give you details if he hasn't already. Ahhh... Sensible. I'll check it out and see what I like. Thus far what we have in mind is basically a joint walk up the Tree, stopping at each sephirah (as represented by a participant wearing a robe of the proper color and holding a candle of that color) in order to exchange oaths related, in some way, to that particular sephirah. The final exchange of the vows will, natch, occur at Kether. We're still formulating much of this, and it seemed to be a good idea to read what else has been done, in case any inspiration should fall my way. Thanks for the tip. AA> Is it your marriage? If so, congrats! It is, and much gras! Yours, in L.V.X. ___ X RM 1.3 01655 X Ghosts are merely unsubstantiated roomers. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Andy Bender Area: Thelema To: All 20 Oct 94 12:46:14 Subject: Ra UpdReq Greets - What are some good texts about Ra in particular, besides Budge's _Gods of the Egyptians_, and specifically about any cults that may have existed in His name? Thanks. In L.V.X. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kayla Block Area: Thelema To: Joseph Max 20 Oct 94 21:53:46 Subject: Thelemic Meanings UpdReq 93 joseph, KB > If it's okay with you, I'd like to include your "What KB > Thelemites Say and what they really mean" in the next issue uh.....joseph, it's nice of you to give permission to kevin to publish this, except that near as i can figure, you didn't write it. 'what thelemites say and what they really mean' was written by soror timshel of baphomet lodge several years ago. i believe that what you posted here was word for word, timshel's article (as published in the baphomet breeze). i haven't double-checked the original article, but if i'm not mistaken, there is at best perhaps 1 or 2 of your 'what thelemites say and what they really mean' that are not part of the article published by soror timshel. if you have any info that i'm not privy to, feel free to let me know. --k-- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Corky McGraw Area: Thelema To: All 19 Oct 94 12:08:04 Subject: a place to start UpdReq I have been reading (lurching) around this echo for awhile because I find this to be very interesting. But, it is still all so confusing. Can someone suggest a place for me to start? Books, mags, etc... for the people just getting into this. Thanks in advance ... I'm not nearly as think as you confused I am. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Andrew Haigh Area: Thelema To: Concerned 3rd Degree 20 Oct 94 08:40:40 Subject: Hyatt kicked out of OTO UpdReq C3D> I just heard that the judas Christopher Hyatt C3D> violated the sanctity of a holy OTO temple and has C3D> been thrown out of the OTO in disgrace along with C3D> some of the heretics from the IOT. Hmm... never knew he was OTO. At any rate it will not detract from the usefulness of his material. Undoing Yourself, and Undoing Yourself Too have proved *quite* valuable in the past. @:|---- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Brian Dare Area: Thelema To: Michelle Hass 20 Oct 94 10:54:08 Subject: Re: FIRE! UpdReq > On 10-14-94 JOSEPH MAX wrote to ZEEKRAM... > JM> Return to thy sacred fire space, and point the Wand at the > flammable > JM> material of your choice. With the magic words, "Fire is Cool... > heh heh > JM> heh..." stroke the elemantal wheel of the Wand, and a great > flame will burst > JM> forth! >Whoa! And like, would it work better if I, like, put on one of my >Danzig albums? And, like, assumed the God-form of the Great >Cornholio? Huh huh huh...that would be cool. >[Rolling on the floor laughing, hysterically!] As am I! Yes! That ruled! Huh huh huh... ___ X SLMR 2.1a X "Heh huh heh" : Butthead charging the God-name of Kether 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: To Meta Thereon Area: Thelema To: Andy Bender 21 Oct 94 14:43:10 Subject: Covens UpdReq I am just basing this off of a previous letter I recieved and I was incredibly surprised myself. The originally posted message was a cry for answers to why people have not read Crowley and call themselves Thelemites. If you wish to call me a fool for stating my surprise, then you are an idiot for not realizing it for what it was. If you think that I care for your misguided comments then you are gravely mistaken. Remember that those that can not support their own ideas are foolish, while those that have no ideas should shut the Hell up! so Sod OFF!!! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Silveroak Area: Thelema To: All 21 Oct 94 14:51:00 Subject: Thelema & Its Studies UpdReq * Do what Thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law * Hi everyone, well, I have been thinking about becoming a Thelemite. I have read through (not all "YET") Aleister Crowley's MAGICK In Theory and Prac- tice, and Isreal Regardie's "The Original Accounts of the Teachings, Rites and Ceremonies of the hermetic Order of THE GOLDEN DAWN. But as it seems now it looks like I will not be able to handle it alone. I am looking for someone to correspond with and learn from. I have always been interested in Magick and other things partaining to it. If anyone can help me I would be greatfull. If you live in the Ottawa, Ontario Canada area that would even be better. Also I heard that there is a correspondent course one can take for this. Does anyone have any idea as to what the cost is? As someone new to this what should I be studying first? Besides my spelling :> Denis Levesque ... This tagline is SHAREWARE! To register, send me $10 ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: Kevin Bold 21 Oct 94 09:46:00 Subject: organization, hazards & UpdReq KB> since the overwhelming majority of Baphomet Lodge members KB> have their heads screwed on, such people never hung around KB> for long (if you're not a member, Michelle, check them KB> out!). I knew quite a few Baphomet Lodge members, and have remained friends with one who is a very special sister of mine. But I never wanted to belong. I just wasn't interested in the OTO way of interpreting Thelema. But true, there were and are good folk in that group. 93, --.\\<-H-- ... OFFLINE 1.35 * There is joy in the setting-out... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: To Meta Therion Area: Thelema To: Corky McGraw 21 Oct 94 14:53:54 Subject: a place to start UpdReq Read Magick in Theory and Practice by Crowley. Actually, wait on that. Find a book called the Magick of Thelema by Lon Milo Duquette, and published by Samuel Weiser. It goes over the basic ideas concepts and rituals in Thelema and is a very good starting point. You will probably have to order it from a bookstore like Borders, Barnes and Noble or Little Professor etc. In other words, Waldenbooks probably can't get it. But it will clear a bit of the confusion. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Andrew Haigh Area: Thelema To: Kali 21 Oct 94 12:37:22 Subject: Just a dumb question UpdReq K> When you start your letters with "93" what does that mean? 93:93/93 This opening is just Thelemic shorthand for `Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law' And instead of typing (or saying it aloud) at the beginning of each post it is faster and easier to type 93. @:|---- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Brian Dare Area: Thelema To: Andy Bender 21 Oct 94 00:00:02 Subject: Covens UpdReq >TT> Wow! Covens that are well-read in Crowley! Hell, we're >TT> lucky to have Thelemites well-read in Crowley from what I >TT> have heard. It would be most impressive to see Wiccans >TT> wandering around discussing Uncle Al. >What do you mean "from what I have heard"? Have you ever met a >Thelemite, and asked him or her yourself? >TT> I'm lucky if anyone I speak to has even read Liber AL >TT> Legis. I guess I need to exit the States for awhile. >See above. What basis do you have for this complaint? I've never met >a Thelemite that has not read this, and frankly, I doubt that you >have. You, again. Well, once again I come to TMT's defense. I cannot speak for who TMT has met and who he has not. However, some time ago on one of the subs (I cannot recall which), at least one person posted that they were a Thelemite who had never read any of Crowley's work (yes, I know it's ridiculous)! Granted, TMT had no justification to universalize this comment, as he did. But it was rather striking, at that time. Why don't you calm down and give him a break. In LVX, BD ___ X SLMR 2.1a X Clip art? I thought you said "Qlippoth!" 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Brian Dare Area: Thelema To: Andy Bender 21 Oct 94 00:00:04 Subject: Thelemic Marriage Ritual UpdReq >Ahhh... Sensible. I'll check it out and see what I like. Thus far >what we have in mind is basically a joint walk up the Tree, stopping >at each sephirah (as represented by a participant wearing a robe of >the proper color and holding a candle of that color) in order to >exchange oaths related, in some way, to that particular sephirah. The >final exchange of the vows will, natch, occur at Kether. Very eloquent! I think that is one of the nicer marriage ritual ideas I've heard. Regardless of what you decide, good luck in your marriage! In LVX, BD ___ X SLMR 2.1a X Subtitles for the Culturally Impaired 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Andrew Haigh Area: Thelema To: Brian Dare 21 Oct 94 16:16:06 Subject: Thelemic Marriage Ritual UpdReq [Andy's proposed marriage ceremony snipped] BD> Very eloquent! Indeed, it should make for a very moving experience BD> Regardless of what you decide, good luck in your marriage! You'll probably need it. Judging from my own exerience it can be more work than the most ardous magickal discipline, but at the same time more rewarding. Just remember one thing when arguing with your SO, no matter what happened, its all your fault and your completely in the wrong (or so my Lady tells me). @:|---- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Zeekram Area: Thelema To: All 21 Oct 94 17:27:00 Subject: Re: Fire! UpdReq Ok,I see all of your games... And I do have to admit, they are amusing... But I am doing this for personal goal... And besides, If I am to be a wizard, I am gonna need to know how to work with the elements.... Zeekram 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Aquino Area: Thelema To: Kevin Bold 21 Oct 94 13:21:44 Subject: Re: book of coming forth UpdReq MA> Every particularization expands the scope of the principle - pushes MA> outwards on the limits of its universe, one might say. KB> Kinda like the relationship between Nuit and Hadit, eh? I have always interpreted _AL_'s Nuit as "infinity" and Hadit as a contrasting "infinitesmal point", at least in the physical-universe sense. The kind of theoretical antipodes that used to give us headaches in high school geometry: There are an infinite number of points on a line of finite length, etc. Yow. I don't see that _AL_ presents Hadit as a *particularization" of Nuit in the Platonic-Forms sense. But _AL_ is sufficiently free-form that I suppose an argument could be made for such an interpretation. Once you have the theoretical modes of existence of N & H worked out, then you have to fit RHK into the equation. This would not be a problem in an AEon of Set framework, where Set is considered to be outside the realm of the natural universe. But in the AEon of Horus, Horus and/or RHK definitely would have to fit somewhere *inside* the universe. This ought to be good material for a dissertation entitled "The Quantum Mechanics of the _Book of the Law_" ... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Aquino Area: Thelema To: Kali 21 Oct 94 13:26:34 Subject: Re: Just a dumb question UpdReq Kal> When you start your letters with "93" what does that mean? Crowley was fond of working out the Cabalistic numbers of words significant to him. 93 was the number of Aiwaz, Thelema, Agape, Will, etc. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: To Meta Thereon Area: Thelema To: Silveroak 22 Oct 94 13:02:04 Subject: Thelema & Its Studies UpdReq S> Also I heard that there is a correspondent course one S> can take for this. Does S> anyone have any idea as to what the cost is? The Thelemic Temple and Order of the Golden Dawn 1626 No. Wilcox Ave. #418 L.A., CA USA 90028 Better be rich if you want to take the course. $66 annual dues $66 Neophyte self initiation material $93 Annually for Quarterly lessons Write to the above address and they'll send you a pack of info and a membership application, but you have to be above 18 if that concerns you. S> As someone new to this what should I be studying first? Everything. Everyday, I find a new book that I need to read to understand Thelema or Magick. If you want to understand Thelema, pick up Crowley's _The Law is for All_. If you want to jump into the rituals, pick up Lon Milo Duquette's _The Magick of Thelema_. The first is published by New Falcon and the second is published by Samuel Weiser. It all depends on what path you are wanting to start on. My first book was MTP also. I don't recommend that to anyone as a beginning point, but if you can make heads or tails of it first time through, then you must be one of the chosen few. I am on my fifth reading now and I am still picking up new material that I only must have glanced over the other four times(?). AS far as suggesting other books for beginners, the list is long, and I am afraid that I have forgotten exactly what I began reading. I think that I started travelling and looking for Crowley's material, and I would buy what I could find and read it. That's a great way to start. Oh, Yeah, Try A.C.'s _Magick w/o Tears_. It simplifies quite a bit of his abstractions. It's published by New Falcon also. The address should be somewhere on this message area, but I can't remember how long ago it was posted. Good luck in your beginnings and remember to keep the Beginner's Mind throughout your quest for knowledge. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: Corky McGraw 22 Oct 94 14:45:08 Subject: a place to start UpdReq On 10-19-94 Corky McGraw wrote to All... CM> I have been reading (lurching) around this echo for awhile because CM> I find this to be very interesting. But, it is still all so confusing. CM> CM> Can someone suggest a place for me to start? Books, mags, etc... for CM> the people just getting into this. For one thing, most of Crowley's works are in electronic form on most PODS BBSes. Get a good look at The Book of the Law, for one thing. And I would suggest strongly picking up "Magick Without Tears", which is printed by New Falcon Publications. It's a great introduction to Crowley's philosophy of Thelema and to applied magick. And it was written as correspondence between Crowley and a beginning-level student. --.\\<-H-- ... OFFLINE 1.35 * Stars shine even when it's cloudy. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Ar Aakhu-t Area: Thelema To: Michelle Hass 22 Oct 94 05:00:00 Subject: Religion & Philosophy & UpdReq 93- MH> Thanx bro! And I will also very cheekily steal that nice MH> pentagram MH> too. Good! Theft is the sincerest form of flattery. MH> BTW...Is Ar Aakhu-t a variant on Ra Hoor Khuit? (Ra Horakhti) MH> Either way it's a cool handle. No, actually not. You can look it up in Budge's Heiroglyphic dictionary, I usually leave it up to others to bother if they really care to know what it is. Interestingly, in addition to the other meanings I was aware of when I chose it, it turns out Aakhu-t is one of the names of the Great Pyramid. BTW- here's another one for you: 93/93- -Ar Aakhu-t bb125@scn.org S S S S . { , /| | | == ,===+===. `.`,-.',' -+ | L) || H ~~((O))~~ ----+---- |===][===| H ,',`-'.`. | | /` || H / } \ L) | \) == 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Ar Aakhu-t Area: Thelema To: Andy Bender 22 Oct 94 05:14:00 Subject: Thelemic Marriage Ritual\ UpdReq 93- AB> Thus far AB> what we have in mind is basically a joint walk up the Tree, AB> stopping AB> at each sephirah (as represented by a participant wearing a AB> robe of AB> the proper color and holding a candle of that color) in order AB> to AB> exchange oaths related, in some way, to that particular AB> sephirah. The AB> final exchange of the vows will, natch, occur at Kether. Sounds great! When we were married, although we were involved with Thelema & magick, we didn't really know enough to write anything specific in that context. The ceremony we wrote was fairly simple, calling up the intent and making the appropriate vows. One important part we recognized was the paradox, or better, the balance, between the fact of the continued individualities of the two people and at the same time their sharing a common Will and connection. Another part we did, and it seemed pretty important, was before getting to the part of making the vows and such, we recognized that an important part of a marraiage ritual is not just for the couple, but for their families, in ritualizing the new nature of their relationship. We basically called up and recognized all the things our families had done for us, raising us as kids, etc- then formally gave thanks for all that and in some ways declared a new independance, in that we'd now be making our own pair-based family unit. While I think we were pretty straight about all that in our own minds anyhow, I think it was useful in clearly getting us 'out of the nest' as far as any family members were concerned. Just wanted to mention it, in casse it's usefgul. As I recall, the form of our ceremony was basically 1)Entrance 2) consecration, etc. of place (nowadays I'd design some sort of mild or discreetly disguised banishing) 3) invocation and license to depart of old family dependances 4) invocation of divine whatever-you-call-it (God?) to witness ceremony 5) declaration of bond, including both connection and independance of each person 6) vows (the climax) 7) triumphal exit, off to the reception. I was talking with a magician friend who's done many marriages, often with conservative family present, and she's told me many tips to that end- one such was setting up the ritual space by pre-charging talismans (using pieces of rose quartz as the basis) so that during the ceremony, she could just p[lace the talismans at the four sides of the room and have the ritual space, astral etc. insrtantly in place- a prefab temple, if you will. That way she could avoid doing 'weird' ritual stuff in front of the family. Hope you'll let us know how it all goes! 93/93 ,-----. . . / H \ -Ar Aakhu-t | H | bb125@scn.org | H | \ ===^=== / `._____,' 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Andrew Haigh Area: Thelema To: To Meta Thereon 22 Oct 94 09:27:06 Subject: Covens UpdReq TMT> If you wish to call me a fool for stating my surprise, then you are an TMT> idiot for not realizing it for what it was. If you TMT> think that I care for your misguided comments then TMT> you are gravely mistaken. Remember that those that TMT> can not support their own ideas are foolish, while TMT> those that have no ideas should shut the Hell up! so TMT> Sod OFF!!! Yet another plaintive cry from the maladjusted newbie. Go away little boy until you can behave as an adult in an adult's forum. You are making yourself out to be a bigger fool than you probably are so do yourself a favour, shut up, read, learn, understand, and then rejoin the forum with a less juvenile attitude. Gain some maturity little mage, but until then... go away @:|---- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718