From: JULIA PHILLIPS Area: Thelema To: STEVEN CRAIG 5 Sep 93 12:03:00 Subject: Re: T.O.T. UpdReq -=> Quoting Steven Craig to Christeos Pir <=- SC> I too see the Sun/Tiphareth as a positive concept (not necessarily SC> "masculine", though the majority of solar archetypes are gods), "...I discovered that... primitive and ancient peoples world-wide worshipped the feminine sun... in Scandinavia, among the Lapps, Finns, ancient Swedes and Germans and indeed all the peoples of northern Europe; the Celts of Scotland, Ireland and ancient Briton; the archaic Indo-European culture of the Balts (the Lithuanians and Latvians); Siberia; Yugoslavia and other Slavic countries; Armenia; the ancient near-East - amonf the Canaanites, Hittites,; pre-Islamic Arabia; Greece and Rome; early Aryan and tribal India; China; Japan; Burma; Formosa; the Pacific Islands; Africa; in North America among the Eskimo, Cherokee, Yuchi, Maidu and the tribes of the northwest coast; in Greenland and Iceland; in South America among many tribal peoples and the early Aztecs." (The Sun Goddesses: Vol 1 - Sun Goddesses of Europe, by Sinead Sula Griann, 1986). Thought you might be interested in this, alternative, view . SC> the Moon/Yesod is receptive (again, not by definition feminine, but SC> there seem to be more moon goddesses than moon gods...) At least some Australian Aborigines view the Moon as male (Gidja), and what of our old friend Thoth? and Sin? And what of "The Man in the Moon"? I think if we actually tried to assemble a comparison, then as many cultures/societies would have a male lunar deity as have a female one. Just my own view - not a definitive statement . SC> I also do not SC> think it follows that one is better or more important than the other, SC> just because it stacks higher on the totem pole (one could counter SC> this logic by insisting that the lunar/goddess energy is closer to SC> humanity, and therefore more accessible; I don't buy that argument SC> either). Nor do I! SC> I think these two sephiroth admirably symbolize the pagan conception SC> of the god & goddess, and think it a neat twist that they are SC> respectively sephiroth 6 & 9. Not disagreeing with you, but I would say that each of the Sephiroth manifests aspects of divinity. Whilst Tiphareth and Yesod (for me) reveal parts of the divine mystery, so do each of the other Sephiroth, and the paths, and it is by integrating these difference aspects that we reach towards divinity itself. Just a few thoughts :-) B*B Julia ... Shadows are not merely absence of light ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rose Dawn Area: Thelema To: Donald C. Ives 4 Sep 93 09:06:50 Subject: Re: LOL UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Don, > I recently sent off for another copy of it. Loophole is this > will not be my first reading. Tsk Tsk! ;> No doubt you're planning to *study* it too! And even discuss it. Forget it Don, too late, you're already a center of pestilence. ;> (Join the club ). > I'll try to remember to call Wen. at 9:30 your time 11:30 my > time. Hope you get use to your new hours, and those worms. :) > What's happening Monday at 10:00? Anyway later...LOL I wasn't trying to bully you into calling for conferences, dude, just figured it'd make the waiting time a little easier and/or more productive. Monday nights are the Eastern conf. I'm finally getting into the rhythm of keeping these odd, strange hours...I get a lot more accomplished. Course, the down side is, I'm not hangin' out online as much as I used to so I'm harder to catch up with and miss lots of great conversations...but into every life a little non-virtual reality must fall. ;> Love is the law, love under will. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Christeos Pir Area: Thelema To: BabyBear 5 Sep 93 22:21:34 Subject: Jaws 93.... UpdReq -=> BabyBear sent a message to All (especially WB Camp) on 04 Sep 93 06:57:28 <=- -=> Re: Jaws 93.... <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Ba> Just when you thought it was safe to go back on the network...I'M Ba> BAAAAAAAAACCKK!!! Hey, bro! Glad to "see" you... hoping to see you for real on the 25th. Bring your Nokie hat, we're "doing" EHNB. "BabyBear"??? (wince) Well, I guess it's a change from all the Merlin Rexes, DragonWizards, Sir Lord King Cowabungas, and such. Love is the law, love under will. - Christeos Pir Fr. VITRIOL 0o OTO ... one absorbs all and is called black. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Steven Craig Area: Thelema To: Richard Kaczynski 6 Sep 93 14:34:20 Subject: Crowleybio UpdReq RK> After the bio's done, for a change, I think I'll write a RK> repetitive series of works like "Advanced Guide to Thelemic RK> Magic" and "The Thelemic Workbook." ...from the author of "An Advanced Guide On Writing Repetitive Books On Thelema", "Hi-Volume Thelemic Author's Yoga", "The Physics of Thelemic Publishing", "Thinner Thelemic Thighs in Thirty Days", etc. :-) ___ X MMST 2.09 UnRegistered * No wife, no horse, no moustache 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Joey Area: Thelema To: Bob Pendell 5 Sep 93 12:06:04 Subject: Understanding Book III UpdReq Bob Pendell steps into the light, and a booming voice cries "Lunar Currents Etc" BP> In reference to the rather violent images in Chapter III of Liber BP> Al, Crowley was bothered by them too. That is one reason he tried to BP> lose the manuscript and didn't find it again for five years. BP> Eventually, he understood what the text was saying,---particularly BP> after World War I--and even more after World War II!!! Not too hard to believe that he understood Book III MUCH better after WW II. Since he celebrated his Greater Feast the same year the war ended, his understanding of Book III was probably enhanced by THAT particular Initiation.... Joey ... Form without substance, face without a name ... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Albert Saperstein Area: Thelema To: All 6 Sep 93 18:36:58 Subject: Cairo 1904 UpdReq All kidding about Howard Stern aside, does anybody besides me have a REALLY HARD TIME swallowing Crowley's account of how he "obtained" Liber AL? I'd LOVE to kick this one around for awhile... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718