From: V. H. Area: Thelema To: All 9 Aug 93 09:33:58 Subject: Equinox Question UpdReq I seem to be missing a number of the Equinox. Here is a list of volume III, minus one number. Can one of you tell me what the missing number is? Thanks! I: The Blue Equinox II: The Gospel According to St. Bernard Shaw III: The Equinox of the Gods IV: Eight Lectures on Yoga V: The Book of Thoth VI: Liber Aleph, The Book of Wisdom or Folly VII: ??? VIII: The Tao Teh King IX: The Holy Books of Thelema X: "The Second Blue Equinox" Thanks, V. H. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rose Dawn Area: Thelema To: Taltos 8 Aug 93 09:20:04 Subject: Re: ADA AND THE O.T.O. UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Tal! > After seeing some of the posts regarding how the ADA might affect > decisions made within the OTO regarding new initiates, I downloaded > the complete text of the Americans with Disabilities Act from > Compuserve, and did a text search on 'CHURCH' and 'RELIG'. The Right on! ;> Entire threads have on occasion been deflated by careful research. Of course it might be more 'fun' to simply argue, but when pertinent information is available, I think it's a wise course to check it out. > I do believe that the O.T.O. would be considered a religious entity, > therefore, the ADA does not apply to us. Even if it did, in reading the quoted text, it appears that the requirements are for those *employed* in a professional capacity by a religious organization, and subsection (b) specifically states that religious organizations may require their members to adhere to the religion's tenets. If an individual is *unable* to fulfill the requirements, even if through no fault of his/her own, the ADA doesn't attempt to force the organization to overlook that fact. Love is the law, love under will. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taltos Area: Thelema To: Rose Dawn 8 Aug 93 18:32:26 Subject: Re: ADA AND THE O.T.O. UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Rose. > Even if it did, in reading the quoted text, it appears that the > requirements are for those *employed* in a professional capacity by > a religious organization, and subsection (b) specifically states > that religious organizations may require their members to adhere to The way I read it, that's true if we were looking to employ someone, as you said (i.e., we could turn down a person in a wheelchair for a job opening, in favor of an O.T.O. member). What the second section (703?) says, as I read it, is that the entire ADA is void and null when it comes to religious entities, both for defining descrimination against persons for membership, as well as the all important "equal access" requirements for buildings, etc. > the religion's tenets. If an individual is *unable* to fulfill the > requirements, even if through no fault of his/her own, the ADA > doesn't attempt to force the organization to overlook that fact. In other words, we're in agreement ;) Love is the law, love under will. Tal 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Taltos Area: Thelema To: Taltos 8 Aug 93 18:34:08 Subject: Re: ADA AND THE O.T.O. UpdReq Ok, it was section 307, not 703. That's what I get for quoting without checking my references ;) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Serpens Area: Thelema To: Taltos 8 Aug 93 19:16:24 Subject: Re: ADA AND THE O.T.O. UpdReq Tal - Thanks for posting the language of the act. It does not defuse the ethical question Todd raised (which is quite worthy of debate) but removes the issue of Big Brother Gummint dictating a resolution (which would be a farce on its face given such gems as Smith v. Oregon in the recent past). Todd - do you feel Tal's search missed something anent protection under the ADA for a right to initiate despite a handicap, or is the ADA still, in your opinion, relevant (and if so, howcum (g))? Paul s 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Serpens Area: Thelema To: Captain Rock 8 Aug 93 19:20:32 Subject: Re: THE G.D. UpdReq Rock - Yeats own writings are indicative - he disliked Crowley because AC seemed to think Yeats should somehow admit Crowley was a superior poet (which he was not, in the opinion of critics of the time and since then). Crowley also unleashed his poison pen against Yeats during the Revolt of the Adepts, an act which over the years cost Crowley the support of those who had been his closest supporters and friends, much less costing him the enmity of those who didn't have much use for him in the first place. It is decidedly risky, in terms of getting an unbiassed picture of the actions, motives, or personalities of his contemporaries, to depend on the Confessions or other personal writings at all (it is not like Crowley's autobiographical materials are in Class A, after all (g)). Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Kenneth Freeman Area: Thelema To: Serpens 9 Aug 93 10:32:00 Subject: Re: THE G.D. UpdReq -=> Quoting Serpens to Captain Rock <=- Se> Yeats own writings are indicative - he disliked Crowley because AC Se> seemed to think Yeats should somehow admit Crowley was a superior poet Se> (which he was not, in the opinion of critics of the time and since Se> then). Crowley also unleashed his poison pen against Yeats during the To say the least. Se> Revolt of the Adepts, an act which over the years cost Crowley the Se> support of those who had been his closest supporters and friends, much Se> less costing him the enmity of those who didn't have much use for him Se> in the first place. Se> It is decidedly risky, in terms of getting an unbiassed picture of the Se> actions, motives, or personalities of his contemporaries, to depend on Se> the Confessions or other personal writings at all (it is not like Se> Crowley's autobiographical materials are in Class A, after all (g)). Of course, suspect documents have their own intrinsic interest. And I haven't a Yeats biography around, but his _Memoirs_ has a footnote on Crowley in connection with a seance: "Gates" is the name by which Yeats is referred to in Aleister Crowley's novel _Moonchild_. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718