From: Josh Norton Area: Thelema To: Grendel Grettisson 6 Aug 93 16:05:06 Subject: multiple truths UpdReq Thus said Grendel Grettisson to Josh Norton concerning multiple truths: GG> [quoting Bill Siebert] GG> The Chthonic-Auranian OTO was founded just prior to the September GG> Full Moon in 1985 at the Southern Pagan Lunarfest by myself, GG> Cliff Pollick, & Sam Webster. Each of us had been active members of GG> more tra- ditional branches of the Order during our magickal GG> apprenticeships. Cliff was a IIIo member of the Caliphate OTO, and GG> co-founder of Hadit Chapter in Philadelphia. Sam was a IIo member of GG> the Caliphate, & founder of Aum. Ha. Camp in Boston. GG> I was once a Minerval in the Caliphate OTO (now lapsed for going on GG> a dues strike during the year-&-a-half it took them to recognize my GG> initia- tion). I was also a member of Grant's Typhonian OTO for about GG> a decade, during which time I worked my way from probationer to Vo. Thanks for the quote, Grendel. Thought I had recalled correctly, but forgot most of his work had been with Grant, which might in itself be a significant point in forming his opinions. Nema, I have since recalled, was also in the Grant version of the OTO. I'll just have one more slice of that deep-fried crow.... ... No matter who you vote for, the government gets elected. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Josh Norton Area: Thelema To: Titus Vandessel 6 Aug 93 15:44:08 Subject: Re: the g.d. Rec'd UpdReq Thus said Titus Vandessel to Josh Norton concerning Re: the g.d.: TV> JN= CR> 14. He discovered that S.R.M.D., though a scholar of some TV> JN= CR> ability and a magician of remarkable powers, had never attained TV> JN= CR> complete initiation: and further had fallen from his original TV> JN= CR> place, he having imprudently attracted to himself forces of evil TV> JN= CR> too great and terrible for him to withstand. TV> JN= CR> The claim of the Order that the true adepts were in charge of TV> JN= CR> it was definitely disproved. TV> Is my memory totally failing me, or was this originally taken from TV> MOONCHILD? The language really sounds like it was... I don't think so. Crowley had the habit of writing about himself in the third person, particularly when writing "official" histories of his own actions. ... A little fermented curd will do the trick ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Kayla Block Area: Thelema To: Donald C. Ives 7 Aug 93 00:40:58 Subject: LOL ;) UpdReq 93 donald, DCI> LOL can mean a few things. "Laughing Out Load" is one. I've DCI> been acussed of LOL " Lurking On Line". But, when I sign of to DCI> certain people it means "Lot's Of Love". That's what it means to DCI> Kayla from me. LOL aww, how sweet! good to hear from you! don't forget to post me your address again. then i can get those disks in the mail to you. 93 & LOL, ---kayla 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Christeos Pir Area: Thelema To: Captain Rock 7 Aug 93 09:33:32 Subject: Re: THE G.D. UpdReq -=> Captain Rock sent a message to Christeos Pir on 02 Aug 93 08:06:50 <=- -=> Re: Re: THE G.D. <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. CR> I would accept that as an axiom. My point was that there is a basis CR> for my interpretation, hence it was a little unfair for you to tell CR> me to hit the history books, because I already have. Sorry, no offense intended. But since you chose to quote one with the most "poetic license" and not one of the more objective accounts, I mistakenly thought it was all you'd read. Usually one cites a source that is _most_ likely to match the events as they occurred, rather than one that is written by someone who was involved and who is known to, uh, shall we say, "take liberties" with the facts in relating them. ;-) Love is the law, love under will. - Christeos Pir ... One absorbs little and is called white and glistening; 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Christeos Pir Area: Thelema To: Rose Dawn 7 Aug 93 23:59:48 Subject: L'ARGOT UpdReq -=> Rose Dawn sent a message to Christeos Pir on 02 Aug 93 10:57:36 <=- -=> Re: L'ARGOT <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. RD> Pause--rewind-- ponder. Just my stupid ego RD> taking over I think. Sorry, CP, conduct unbecoming! I tend to behave RD> in a ridiculous manner and read implications into things at times and RD> then act like an idiot. Proving I'm not stupid by acting stupid? ;> Gee whiz, if you're gonna beat yourself up over this, at least wait until I feel insulted... yer gonna make me feel guilty for not being hurt! RD> Sounds to me, though, like just another fundie repeating the Party RD> Line, and no doubt there have been many more recent pieces of RD> cautionary yellow journalism to refute, so I'll probably leave it on RD> the shelf. Well, think of the BS level of a Jack Chick tract, but instead of the amusement value, imagine the anger of being constantly slammed, insulted and blamed for society's ills -including most of the crimes that we not only abhor, but know are usually perpetrated by people of the same religious beliefs the author is upholding. All in all, a nasty, lying, and disgusting piece of offal, made the worse because people believe it, and use it to justify discrimination against pagans and occultists. Love is the law, love under will. - Christeos Pir ... For there is no Symbol of Thee. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Christeos Pir Area: Thelema To: Josh Norton 8 Aug 93 00:15:44 Subject: Re: multiple truths UpdReq -=> Josh Norton sent a message to Christeos Pir on 04 Aug 93 16:27:02 <=- -=> Re: Re: multiple truths <=- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. CP> I think you're reading too much of your own prejudices into what CP> Almost is telling us of this person. And, in retrospect, I may have been too, but on the other side of the argument. JN> Quite correct, as my previous message to F.A. said. It's the perpetual JN> outsider's anger at those who think he should conform to their JN> expectations but are incapable of seeing -- let alone accomodating -- JN> to the geometry of his nature. The Rage of Set in its most fundamental JN> form. Well, you don't have to tell me about being the odd man out -- I was it from just about day one, starting from growing up a blond, Anglo, American kid, a Foreign Service Brat, in the Orient, to being the guy with the long hair, earring, tattoos, and vocabulary of more than 30 words -and who knows next to nothing about sports, nor gives a damn- among the redneck construction workers. JN> Not all prisons are in the prisoner's mind, my friend. Some are formed JN> out of the intersecting walls of other people's prisons. Oh, no argument about that. BUT! The flip side is, not all structure is a prison, unless one makes it so. Some have it themselves, some require it from their surroundings (exoskelatinous creatures, you might say), and some's just plain jellyfish. Love is the law, love under will. - Christeos Pir ... and it shall not defile thee; 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Anthra Andromda Area: Thelema To: Taltos 7 Aug 93 06:45:00 Subject: SOFTWARE FLAVOR OF 777 UpdReq > Ok, so we know your node number, but what's the magic name of > the file? > A freq won't do much good if we don't know what we're freqing :) use either "777" or "777pre.zip". 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718