From: Scott Gilliam Area: Thelema To: Josh Norton 20 Sep 92 00:54:48 Subject: Traffic UpdReq Josh, I like your third statement in regards to accomplishment of initiation, the Universe is inherently Mysterious(to paraphrase). I have always sought to know it all! I now realize that mystery is quite important, if there is nothing unknown than the realized, the known doesn't have much value. Also, if there isn't anything left to discover and sometimes kick us in the ass then life wouldn't be much fun! I like your statements in regards to simplifying ritual or develeloping new tech to accoplish Will. I see ceremonies as tools for training as well as fun and creative expressions of Self! I have gotten to the point where burning a yellow candle and holding the thought and feeling of devotion in my heart will invoke the Sylphs as well as any hour long ritual can! Do it! Scott 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Scott Gilliam Area: Thelema To: Vitriol 20 Sep 92 01:02:34 Subject: Re: work, will...wha? UpdReq Thanks for the names of the books for study. How are you doing? I still have y our book by the way. Keep On shining! Scott 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Scott Gilliam Area: Thelema To: Steven Craig 20 Sep 92 01:06:08 Subject: Right & Wrong UpdReq Stephen, Your views of metaprogramming and the value of magick and Yoga are brilliant! Thanks, Shine On! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Krei Keire Area: Thelema To: Vitriol 17 Sep 92 18:52:02 Subject: Traffic UpdReq ..Gods created the form of Vitriol ..To Krei Keire they cry out "Traffic" KK> Material (Intellect/Fear/Worry/Constraint) in the wrong place. No KK> kidding! -twist-twist-twist- Vi> Read again, amigo mio: I said Spirit, not ego. Spirit is in every way Vi> perfect., and needs no laundering. The Earth is in every way perfect ... we just need to get that pollution out of the way of our experiencing it. Same thing, bro. Yes, the Spirit is pure, but unless our channels are just as pure, then the image gets corrupted. We need to remove the pollution to experience the perfection of the Spirit. Vi> II:58 Yea! deem not of change: ye shall be as ye are, & not other. Vi> Therefore the kings of the earth shall be Kings for ever: the Vi> slaves shall serve. There is none that shall be cast down or Vi> lifted up: all is ever as it was. I still don't think that your above quote is relevant. Yes, our spirit is all it will be. But our outer shell needs to find out just what that is. Remove the pollution, and be as good as we can be. We need to find the Kings within ourselves. ... Strange men rent strange flowers .. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Steve James Area: Thelema To: Liliani 20 Sep 92 02:57:04 Subject: Right & wrong 1/ UpdReq LM> To: Steve James From: Liliani ___--------------------------------------------------------------------- LM>I believe the "war on drugs" to be scapegoatism anyway. People are LM>encouraged to avoid thinking about their real problems, and LM>drugs becomes a government excuse for high taxes, police to I agree with that. In the last propaganda news item I saw, the cops found some pot growing 200 feet off of the interstate. A quick count showed about 2 cops to every one plant. Meanwhile, crime goes on in the crime capitol of the U.S. (Atlanta) LM>By making anybody who uses drugs a public enemy (at least LM>if their drug of choice is not politically correct) the LM>government can justify a whole slew of evils. If enough people get fired up about the war on drugs, they become more willing to sacrifice various civil liberties during the 'crises'. That, of course, helps to foster a heard mentality. I suspect also that Big Brother doesn't like the way many people seem to re-evaluate society's 'great truths' when on drugs. LM>I would definitely use whatever means posible, including violence, to protec LM>my person, my intergrety, or those I love. I am not into LM>turning the other cheek. I certainly agree there. I am certain that those are matters of Will allready, so it's merely a matter of choosing a means that will succeed with certainty. After all, the only Sin is restriction, I will not rule out any sort of action alltogether. LM>But if I want something, I feel LM>obligated to assess not only the goal but the means, to reaching that goal. LM>And the more complex the desire is, the more paths there LM>are to reach it. At age 30 I had a desire to reach a point LM>where I did not have to worry about imediate financial LM>needs. I feel that obligation as well. Currently, that particular goal is high on my list. I don't care to be rich, but I want to have enough, and the freedom for more rewarding pursuits. Blessed Be & 93, Steve J. ___ X EZ 1.33 X 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Jonathon Blake Area: Thelema To: Sean Mccullough 19 Sep 92 09:19:14 Subject: Thelema And Anarchism UpdReq quoting SEAN MCCULLOUGH ___------------------------------------------------------------------------ SM}>It seems that there has been VERY LITTLE said or written about Absolute SM}>Anarchism, whether in print or spoken. Even the so-called "anarchist" ... deleted some text ... S M}>to the subjects of that authority is the desired goal, rather than the SM}>elimination of ALL AUTHORITY, which is the goal of the Absolute Anarchist. one of the things i diskliked about the anarchist movement was that you had to follow this guy, or that or some other jerk's philosophy, and nobody could even think about setting up a transition to a world with no authority other than yourself. SM}>I hope you show up on P_News. Leave me a note there when you get it. got a # for a bbs that gets it? anywhere stateside, poreferably pc pursuitable SM}>It IS the only moral, ethical form of human interrelation. THERE IS NO LAW SM}>BEYOND "DO WHAT THOU WILT". i reread liber oz & ran it up against common law contract law & then against the constitution of the us interesting points of mutual contact there Xeper Jonathon * SLMR 2.1a * Common malady: Diarrhea of mouth + constipation of brain 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718