From: Peter Giordano Area: Thelema To: Tony Iannotti 25 Jun 92 00:15:34 Subject: Re: Creation/Destruction Rec'd Sent UpdReq I really liked some of the info in ur response, Tony, and have buffered it for my records :) Peter Giordano 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Josh Norton Area: Thelema To: Madhatter 24 Jun 92 14:16:00 Subject: Re: Care Bears UpdReq > Do what thou wilt is actually the motto of Thelema >castle in Rabalias' novel of the character Pantagreul. Ie, >it is plagarised without credit. There's several other paraphrases or outright thefts from obscure medieval mystical works. For instance, Joseph Campbell quotes a text called "The Book of the 24 Philosophers": "God is an infinite sphere, whose center is everywhere and circumference nowhere." and Liber AL has it: "In the sphere I am everywhere the center, as she, the circumference, is nowhere found." -- Liber AL, Book 2, v. 3 Suspiciously similar, wouldn't you say? I'm pretty certain I have seen text similar to AL 1:30 and AL 2:7 in earlier works, but I can't find a reference in the books at hand. * SLMR 2.1a * I left my heart in Chichen Itza. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: Thelema To: Randy Buchanan 25 Jun 92 10:16:58 Subject: Re: Metro Action Rec'd UpdReq -=In a missive of 24 Jun 92 20:44:00, Randy Buchanan said to Tony Iannotti=- (regarding Re: Metro Action) RB> Thanks for the input, Tony. I pinged the guy about his sources RB> tonight; seems the fella that was burbling about forbidden books is a RB> member of a Lodge(?) in Nebraska (Omaha?), and we speculate that the RB> proscription may be a purely local aberration. It's good to hear, RB> though, that it's not Caliphate policy; one would think that Thelema RB> has moved us a bit(!) beyond such silliness. In fact, the Caliphate would be interested in such mis-representation of it's policies. When next you speak to him, let him know that he might inquire of the Secretary in Riverside for clarification. We have a bad enough reputation as it is! ;-) TI> Sounds like someone was taking him for a ride, whether or not TI> they were part of the Caliphate. ;-) RB> You're likely correct; none of my business, really. It was all news to RB> me, so rather than haul around some dubious information, I just RB> thought I'd ask... Excellent thought. I am glad you did. So many people just repeat stuff without asking the horse. Glad to make your acquaintance as an exception to this sad rule! 93! ... Thelema: It's not just a Good Idea, it's the Law 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: Thelema To: Josh Norton 25 Jun 92 10:20:12 Subject: Re: Care Bears UpdReq -=In a missive of 24 Jun 92 14:16:00, Josh Norton said to Madhatter=- (regarding Re: Care Bears) > Do what thou wilt is actually the motto of Thelema >castle in Rabalias' novel of the character Pantagreul. Ie, >it is plagarised without credit. Actually, it can be found in St. Augustine too, so the plagiarism is either unconscious or goes back pretty far. Augustine was an initiate of a lot of mystical orders of his day before converting, so he also may not have mentioned his source. ;-) JN> There's several other paraphrases or outright thefts from obscure JN> medieval mystical works. For instance, Joseph Campbell quotes a text JN> called "The Book of the 24 Philosophers": JN> "God is an infinite sphere, whose center is everywhere and JN> circumference nowhere." JN> and Liber AL has it: JN> "In the sphere I am everywhere the center, as she, the circumference, JN> is nowhere found." -- Liber AL, Book 2, v. 3 JN> Suspiciously similar, wouldn't you say? Jorge Luis Borges traces that one back a long way also. Some thoughts are just universal. JN> I'm pretty certain I have seen text similar to AL 1:30 and AL 2:7 in JN> earlier works, but I can't find a reference in the books at hand. Well, at least Aiwass didn't claim copyright! ;-) ... When I want your opinion, I'll read your entrails..... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Frater Almost Area: Thelema To: Josh Norton 25 Jun 92 19:05:10 Subject: Re: Care Bears Sent UpdReq Hell! Of course it's all been said before! The idea is thhat the message is what is important! When the transmission went through Therion's nervous System, it came out as only he could put it, highly flavoured with his personality and knowledge. One cannot convey in pure terms that which one does not understand. Pax. 93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718