From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Thelema To: James Heaton 13 Jun 92 14:46:04 Subject: Re: Introduction etc. UpdReq In a message dated 10 Jun 92 02:25:03, James Heaton wrote: > My interests are mainly in Crowley's system. Why? > because it works for me. I tried somoe of the GD stuff, > but it was rather mild...didn't like being picemealed :) > I also have experimented with Enochian, but found it just > like any other magical system; so I stick with the > Qabalistic approach. JH> My main interest nowadays is Tantra -- Tibetan style. Basically mind JH> magic. No ritual, no mess, no fuss -- but a HELLof a lot of JH> visualization work and single pointed concentration! I finally JH> figured out the Quabbala was great in certain circumstances, but I JH> don't like the complex ritual that's involved -- ESPECIALLY not when JH> I can do the same thing without!! Yes, I have experimented with that form of Tantra myself (it's not all sex-magick, as most think of the word Tantra). There is a Qabalistic approach to the for of Tantra you are talking about, that is just as simple (if not simpler) and just as effective. The subconcious mind is better accesed through symbols, than anyother method: The Qabalah teaches you what symbols to use to communicate certain principles to the subconscious mind...the rest is easy as pie. :) Love is the Law. Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Thelema To: Steven Craig 13 Jun 92 14:50:04 Subject: Re: Introduction etc. UpdReq In a message dated 8 Jun 92 01:58:58, Steven Craig wrote: SC> My latest observation about the GD ritual vs. Thelemic ritual SC> debate is that the latter possesses (for me, at least) a raw intensity, SC> where the GD stuff is more subtle in its execution. For sake of SC> practicality, I lean towards the Thelemic formulae- I feel a hell of SC> a lot more properly banished when I close a working with Star Ruby than SC> is the case with the LBRP. However, the low-key feel of the latter SC> excercise allows me the oppurtunity to strengthen myself in more subtle SC> aspects. F'rinstance, it is not terribly difficult to kill a moose SC> with a high-powered rifle. Killing that same moose with an x-acto SC> knife certainly isn't as efficient, but I have greater respect for SC> the person who can accomplish such a task. This metaphor paints a very bizzare image, but conveys your thought perfectly. You got a way with words, Steve ;) The man with the X-acto knife would have to have some giant size gonads, to say the least too. SC> In short, I think both systems are valid, and I personally prefer a SC> mix of the two (along with liberal dosages of other magickal systems). There are a couple of Orders which have managed the marriage between GD and Thelema...I must say I am intrigued by the whole thing. I would be very dissappointed, however, if they had done nothing more than use the GD rituals and changed a few of the buzz words to allude to the New Aeon. SC> The Thelmic formulae often work better, but do not allow the same SC> oppurtunity to polish up the finer points. You have something there. ;) Love is the Law. Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Thelema To: Charles Jones 13 Jun 92 14:58:04 Subject: Re: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS UpdReq In a message dated 10 Jun 92 18:13:14, Charles Jones wrote: CJ> Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. CJ> Regarding your query on the German quotation, it's from Bertolt CJ> Brecht. CJ> Love is the law, love under will. Thank you VERY much. When I first heard it I was vey moved by it, but no one seemed to know where it came from. Thank you again. Love is the Law. Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Thelema To: Steven Craig 13 Jun 92 15:03:04 Subject: Re: DMT UpdReq In a message dated 11 Jun 92 03:52:02, Steven Craig wrote: SC> Lately, I've been working with various non-chemical methods of SC> conciousness expansion, such as dream machines and the use of sound SC> to produce altered states of conciousness (this doesn't mean I'm SC> adverse to the intelligent application of chemicals, but rather I SC> wish to touch as many bases as possible). SC> I recently received a tape consisting largely of sub-sonics and SC> pulses designed to produce alpha activity in the brain. Laying down SC> and listening to the thing produces some remarkable effects, SC> espescially when used in conjunction with a dream machine. The SC> alpha-enhancer stuff leaves me feeling tremendously buzzed, while SC> some of the subsonics have weirder effects still; the first time I SC> listened to one of the excercises, I felt the need to turn it off SC> because it was weirding me out too badly. The next time, it was not SC> unpleasant, but I blacked out for at least ten minutes; I remember SC> the excercise starting, and the next thing I know, the tape had SC> flipped and started playing music. Fascinating stuff... hhhmmm. Maybe I should look into that. Being a musician I have always been moved by music. Perhaps this would be a worth while experiment for me to try out. What are the names of the tapes? Love is the Law. Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Thelema To: Kreizenski 13 Jun 92 17:33:04 Subject: Re: POLITICAL CORRECTNES UpdReq I agreed with your post on everything except for the hair thing. What would be so weird about a president with long hair? ;) Love is the Law. Gerald the Hairy One. ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Thelema To: Olorin 13 Jun 92 17:38:04 Subject: Re: POLITICAL stupidity UpdReq In a message dated 04 Jun 92 22:31:00, Olorin wrote: VC> Somewhere else: "The lesser of two evils is still evil". VC>People who think voting makes a difference have succumbed to the VC>brainwashing which begins in grade school about our "great system of VC>government". O> As people who say it doesn't have convinced themselves that it O> doesn't work with little or no investment in the system, What would you O> propose as a system of government that must keep some sort of order among O> such diverse groups? Most of whom want to kill each other? The economic O> argument is stale and inacurrate. Political power isa for those who O> bither to take it an not just complain about it. It is easy to bitch O> but when was the last time YOU ran for office? So you are saying: "If you don't run for government you can't bitch about the current political condition"? That is the kind of intolerant rant that makes people not bother to even vore. VC>P.S. Consumer "voting" is best - use your purchase power to change the VC>world. Corporations have the real power in this country (and many others). O> They are not that is as inaccurate and juvenile an opinion as saying O> governments are the "real" power, all that is very unstudied and O> childish. You must be kidding. O> However I give you your space to be so. "Gee, that's mighty white of you" O> Economics is not as powerful as religious bigotry or other O> bigotry..it Economics has ALWAYS been the motivating principle behind politics. If Thelemites or Seitians represented the majority of people who bought Campbell Soups, Chevys', and Television sets you can bet your ass those groups would have managed to drive Xtianity under ground with all of their bitching. O> is the interaction of the various powers that leads one to believe O> one is more influential than another. This may be true. Love is the Law. Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Tau Ursa Area: Thelema To: All 15 Jun 92 21:23:54 Subject: ILLUMINATI LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: This is your chance of a lifetime. Join the one, sole, exclusive order designed to establish a one-world government on Earth. On Earth, my friends! Think of it. 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