From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Thelema To: Paul Hume 4 May 92 17:22:18 Subject: Re: Thelema 101 UpdReq In a message dated 2 May 92 21:53:39, Paul Hume wrote: PH> I've always heard it (YHVH) explicated as "He who is." A form of the PH> verb "to be, " in fact. Wouldn't: "He who is, was and is to come" fit better for IHVH? Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: Steven Craig 4 May 92 05:04:18 Subject: Re: RE: Neophite me UpdReq On 04-29-92 Steven Craig wrote to Michelle Hass... 93! SC> "The slaves shall serve" sounds like distasteful |Machievellan ranting at SC> first, but it is truly frightening how hard most people SC> will fight to put their chains back on if you try to take SC> them off. Actually it's "the slaves will serve..." and I think that Hadit meant it as a lament of current circumstance rather than a command for the future. The slaves will serve whether you tell them they're free or not. They'll serve regardless of your hopes that they'll break their chains and be a free person like Us Thelemites. Then again I don't think any of us are entirely free of their chains.... SC> but it is none the less SC> frustrating when I see someone acting in a manner which (in SC> my eyes) is making them miserable.... Even when (in my case) that someone is MYSELF. I've got a long way to go on the Path...complicated with struggles with Depression and Panic. I'm working on it though. That's all you can do, y'know. Just continuing on the Great Work, keeping going to my therapist, and making progress bit by bit. Beauty and Balance, Will and Love, -.\\<-H- Hereticus Laetans 703 93/93 ... OFFLINE 1.35 * Doowhutchalike! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: Gerald Del Campo 4 May 92 05:04:18 Subject: Re: RE: Neophite me UpdReq 93, Gerald! GD> Perhaps some kind of networking between Thelemic GD> communities is in order? Any ideas what we can do to bring GD> open minded Thelemites together? Isn't this what THELEMA echo was supposed to do? Oh well... I think that group activities, initially of the more or less social sort, (brunches, field trips, parties) are a good way to start reaching out to each other. Our mutual friend Sor. Gaea has been doing this for years...she threw a Liber AL reading (with an improvised musical accompaniment, yet, by musically inclined friends!) brunch last month that brought OTO types, Thelemic GD types, almost all the C.'.M.'.T.'. co-conspirators and so on. It was a relaxed, fun and easy time for all. Of course, this can only happen in places where there's a lot of thelemoids around, like the So Cal area, fr'instance. I don't know what the magick scene is like up in OR...I wasn't really into it when I was last up there ('78 e.v.) and I was in the sticks...Mc Minnville was the nearest "big" town, and Portland was hours away. In the case of far flung pockets of thelemoids or cross-country networking, the Net is the only practical way to fly. It would be great if THELEMA echo was more the place to do it...I've never been on OASIS, not being an OTO member, so I don't know how that is. Beauty and Balance, Will and Love, -.\\<-H- Hereticus Laetans 703 93/93 ... OFFLINE 1.35 * If it's not Gritty Kitty, it stinks. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: Vitriol 4 May 92 05:04:18 Subject: Re: RE: Neophite me Rec'd UpdReq On 05-01-92 Vitriol wrote to Michelle Hass... 93...ho! V > I agree. Too bad some of our LHP ^^^ WHAT? V >brethren and sistren (?!) don't see it that way. V > BTW, "A woman is just a woman..." is from Mark Twain. Thanks for the info...I remember it from some comedic revue about sexism in the Victorian Era that ran in LA for awhile... the name escapes me. It was a song title, and the song in question's refrain. Pity...I expected more from good ol' Sam Clemens. Aheecha, -.\\<-H- HL 703 93/93 ... OFFLINE 1.35 * Doowhutchalike! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: Parzival 4 May 92 05:04:18 Subject: L.A. UpdReq On 05-01-92 Parzival wrote to All... 93 Parzifal! P > Say... does this echo go to California? Does anyone know P > if/how the O.T.O. has been effected by the riots in L.A. P > and surrounding area? Well, I'm not OTO but some of my best friends are 8-) and I don't think any of them got any untoward grief from the riot other than the general sadness/anger/wariness that the decidedly weird circumstances generated. The verdict pissed me off. We all saw what we saw. No criminal (except a person who gets away with multiple rapes because his uncle is a Senator...get my drift...) no HUMAN BEING deserves the kind of treatment Rodney King got at the hands of the LAPD. The outrageous miscarriage of justice in the verdict did not make the rioting OK either. The vast majority of the damage was in largely Black or Latino areas (Panorama City wasn't in Southcentral but there was damage here...within 1/4 mile of Casa Hass, actually!) with the most damage happening in the very worst downtrodden areas of them all. By trashing your own 'hood, you stab yourself in the back. Damn straight. LA survives, though. And LA will bounce back. Bet on it. Beauty and Balance, Will and Love, -.\\<-H- 93/93 ... OFFLINE 1.35 * Doowhutchalike! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Thelema To: Cuups 5 May 92 17:33:18 Subject: Re: Thelema 101 UpdReq In a message dated 03 May 92 05:03:04, Cuups wrote: C> As for right now, I'm taking Liber 220 one step at a time (sounds like C> AA), so as not to overwhelm. The Beauty of Liber 220 is that it overwhelms. But then again, I'm a bit of a thrill seeker when it comes to magical pursuits. C> Blessed be C> Cuups |-(* And 93. Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: Cuups 6 May 92 05:06:18 Subject: Thelema 101 UpdReq On 05-03-92 Cuups wrote to Michelle Hass... 93, Cuups! C > I'm going to have may questions while I go along, |but I'm going to go C > about this gradually, so I don't overload. I do have |a question in the C > Qabalistic vein. What is 93 and why the importance? 93 is the gematric reduction of the words "Thelema" (Free Will) and "Agape" (Spiritual Love) among other words that represent the Formula of the New Aeon that is in the process of emerging. The hallmark phrase of the New Aeon, the underlying law that is expounded in Liber AL vel Legis, is Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, Love is the Law, Love under Will. The abbrev- iation that I and a great deal of my colleagues use in our messages and even in greetings, 93, is the Law abbreviated to its qabalistic shorthand. In messages, the whole phrase is often abbreviated to 93 (for "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law") at the top of the message before anything else is typed, and 93/93 (for "Love is the Law, Love under Will") at the end of the message. C > I've always believed "666" to be an evil, dangerous number. I C > would just like to know what the meaning of "666" is in C > Qabalism and Thelema. Well, I don't know what John the Evangelist meant by identifying the "antichrist" as 666, but in fact the number 666 also is the numerical breakdown of Ha'Shem Y'shua, the Hebrew phrase "The Name (The Logos, The Word) Jesus" which is what John actually first referred to Jesus as in his gospel. ("In the beginning was The Word. And the Word was with God, the Word was God."--John 1:1) It's mostly a Solar number...referring to the energy of the sun manifest on the earth. Aleister Crowley took the number as an act of rebellion against his Fundamentalist Christian parents, who saw their bright, unruly son as a little demon...a "beast" of a child. He kept the number and the motto "To Mega Therion" (The Great Beast in Greek) to further tweak the sensibilities of the public, a sport which he delighted in during his lifetime. The number also figured in a lot of coincidences in his life. C > I think I'm finding this out as I go along. I've had a |lot of these C > ideas floating around in my head for some time, and it |has been almost C > meditative to write these down. It certainly has made my C > thoughts a lot clearer for me. Again, and it bears repeating, the supreme arbiter of what Thelema truly means for you is YOU. And the best teacher of Thelema is your Deep Self. Beauty and Balance, Will and Love, Hereticus Laetans 703 93/93 ... OFFLINE 1.35 * Doowhutchalike! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Michelle Hass Area: Thelema To: Gerald Del Campo 6 May 92 05:06:18 Subject: Re: RE: Doing your Will UpdReq On 04-28-92 Gerald Del Campo wrote to Michelle Hass... 93 and it was a duplicate message. Probably something going on on Mysteria's end...they're tuning up a new Maximus setup after a couple of years of running Remote Access, the (buggy) Wonder from Down Under. Oh well...sorry, guys! B&B, W&L HL703 93/93 ... OFFLINE 1.35 * If it's not Gritty Kitty, it stinks. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Grendel Area: Thelema To: All Thelemites 7 May 92 16:42:18 Subject: OTO or other Thelemic groups in the Seattle areaUpdReq Greetings, There have been some problems with the OTO camps and lodges locally and looks as if most of them have been disbanded or shut down. Does anyone have any sort of knowledge of active thelemic groups in the Greater Seattle area (which extends almost to Tacoma to the south)? I and some users would like to know. Talking to the OTO locally has always been a trial as they tend to be impossible to get a hold of around here. The one group I know of is private and has a closed membership. The one group I had contacts within was shut down by the Caliphite due (to my knowledge) of the actions of the Master of the Lodge. -= Grendel =- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Thelema To: Michelle Hass 7 May 92 20:43:18 Subject: Re: RE: Neophite me UpdReq In a message dated 04 May 92 05:04:08, Michelle Hass wrote: MH> 93, Gerald! Greetings Michelle! MH> Our mutual friend Sor. Gaea has been doing this for years...she threw a MH> Liber AL reading (with an improvised musical accompaniment, yet, by MH> musically inclined friends!) brunch last month that brought OTO types, MH> Thelemic GD types, almost all the C.'.M.'.T.'. co-conspirators and so on. Ah yes! I bet Steve played guitar, no? ;) MH> It was a relaxed, fun and easy time for all. I could imagine. Sor Gaea can sure throw a party. Tell her I said "hello"! MH> Of course, this can only happen in places where there's a lot of MH> thelemoids around, like the So Cal area, fr'instance. I don't MH> know what the magick scene is like up in OR...I wasn't really MH> into it when I was last up there ('78 e.v.) and I was in the MH> sticks...Mc Minnville was the nearest "big" town, and Portland MH> was hours away. Well, most of the activity here is pagan/Wiccan...Gardenian to be exact. There is a couple of relatively large covens here in Ashland. I participated in thie Beltain Ritual last weekend and had a great time. I have been told that there are many within these groups who are looking for a Ceremonial outlet, so we are trying to show 'em that all ceremonialists are not male chauvenist (sp) pigs with a Crowley complex. :) Love is the Law. Gerald. P.S. What is this "C.M.T."? ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Thelema To: Cuups 7 May 92 21:06:18 Subject: Re: Thelema 101 UpdReq In a message dated 05 May 92 05:05:00, Cuups wrote: C> I was just concerned by the fact that in Revelations "666" is the C> number of the beast, which would be the devil or his/her agent. I C> understand that it is a very prominent number in Satanism, it is a more prominent number in Christianity than Satanism. C> and I just want to be assured that once I get more deeply into Thelema I C> won't be hit with Satanism. Brace yourself for the goat jokes ;) But seriously; would you mind defining Satanism? Some Christian sects consider any variance from their teachings to be "satanic". Also, to be a satanist you have to believe in the Christian Satan...which means (by default) that on Christians can be Satanists ?;-) C> You have to understand that I was taught that's how Satanists C> work, they draw you in with kindness and love and the next thing you C> know, you're signing that piece of parchment in blood. ;-) Sounds like my experiences with Catholicism ;) C> Anyway, thanks for the bit of information on these various numbers. C> However, now that I am meditating on law I;4, what's the difference? Love is the Law. Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Parzival Area: Thelema To: Vere Chappell 9 May 92 00:23:18 Subject: ALMOST QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT UpdReq Coming to you from Amon-Ra Oasis: As you may know by now, Toronto had it's own bit of violence. Nothing close to compared to California, but Toronto sort-of lost it's virginity (you might say). None of the OTO member s were effected. Very good to hear that all's quiet now. Sor. Azaachma and I watched the riots on TV all night - pretty surreal. The CBC carried a live feed from L.A. 24 hours. I can't imagine being in the middle of it. As I understand it, our Frater Pyramidos-Priapus (last name Chan, you might know him) telephoned Frater Iacchus to see if all was well. As I hear, he and company took off and visited Sor. Merel for a while! Good plan. Pass on good tidings from Amon-Ra to all Fratres et Sorores. 93! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Parzival Area: Thelema To: Michelle Hass 9 May 92 00:30:18 Subject: L.A. UpdReq Thanks for the report. I've heard that OTO was spared any major effects. Yes, I agree with you. That must have been the STUPIDEST jury in the world. Of course, as Mr. Gautama Shakyamuni taught, the bad karma of a few usually gets paid for by the masses. Being a bit of an anarchist at heart, I can't decide wether this is a good or bad thing. I do think it's sad that so many have to pay for the crimes of so few. The mob mentality that followed (it even spread to Toronto The Good And Peaceful) was a natural course of events. Indeed, it was a day the Universe changed. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Parzival Area: Thelema To: Frater Ehubi 9 May 92 00:35:18 Subject: Re: L.A. UpdReq Greetings from Amon-Ra Oasis! Right glad am I to hear the news. I was most concerned, as I know a couple of OTO & TOT members who reside in L.A. Our Frater Pyramidos-Priapus telephoned Frater Iacchus to make sure all was right. As I hear, they headed quickly to visit Sor. Merel. Smart plan, I'd say. Toronto had it's share of violence, but it was nothing compared to L.A.. None the less, it truly has been a couple of days that shook up the system. It's sad that innocents had to be drawn into the mele - but mob-mentality takes no account of guilt or innocence (whether it's the mob-mentality of the cops who brutally beat King, or the mob-mentality of the rioters). Oh.. enough politics! Very good to hear from you - please keep up the connection. 93! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Parzival Area: Thelema To: Grendel 9 May 92 00:43:18 Subject: OTO or other Thelemic groups in the Seattle areaUpdReq Greetings and health from Amon-Ra Oasis in Toronto! I don't know how much help this will be, but I'm an OTO member, and the most recent Magickal Link I have gives the following addresses for the two OTO bodies in Washington: 1) Iadon Camp, c/o Staley, 534 N. 74th St., Seattle, WA 98103. 2) Vortex Camp, PO Box 9490, Tacoma, WA 98409. Sorry I can't be of more assistence, but there ya go! You may want to contact the body cloest to Washington, as they will probably know something about what's going on. Happy hunting! 93. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Ian Harper Area: Thelema To: John Gold 1 May 92 22:30:02 Subject: Re: MAGICK UpdReq Howdy John! On the <26 Apr 92>, whilst checking out some confinement loaf, John "Skoda Crusher!" Gold squared up to All "Dribbles!" All and gasped...! JG> Magick is a specialized art. Sure we all do it, but most people are JG> not aware of the fact that they have power to alter the course of JG> history. I am just getting into this echo can you tell me more? i have just started to read a book by Mr Crowleys son. and he sounds like a nice type of man. why then when i talk to people thay say that he is not? Strange as his son says that he help people out with all kinds of things, like money. JG> We need Knowledge! That is why Atlantis Rising was put on JG> line. It is a multi- type of magickal bbs. Dedicated to O.T.O. and JG> Golden Dawn as well as those who practice the Wiccan and other styles What is O.T.O and what do thay stand for? Cheers!............Ian 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paul Hume Area: Thelema To: reizenski 30 Apr 92 12:09:42 Subject: Re: Thelema 101 UpdReq Krei - Sorry, Moses answer on Horeb was "AHIH AShR AHIH" (I am that I am, or I am who am, or even He who is). ADNI is simply "Lord" in Hebrew. ADN, Adon, is modern Hebrew for "Mister," formal honorific, same as Mister is descended from Meister. Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paul Hume Area: Thelema To: itriol 30 Apr 92 12:12:18 Subject: Re: Thelema 101 UpdReq Vitriol - Re: guilt trip and honorary Judaism... Ha! Not necessary, I assure you. Catholics and Jews are neck and neck in the guilt sweepstakes, and always have been. Both sides generally acknowledge this. The old joke..."I can't serve on juries. I keep breaking down and claiming I'm guilty"...can be used with equal freedom by Catholics or Jews (or ex-either-of-them). Combing those knots out of the brain occupied fully five years of my time after I became a magician, and of course since we are talking about imprints laid in over 9 years by the sisters, and 4 years of (pre-reform) Jesuit education in high school (the 4 more years at Georgetown were post-reform, and thus less effective), there are knots in there I will never work out in this incarnation. But the guilt you *can* lose, though like an ingrown toenail, it may require ongoing care to insure no recurrence. Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Thelema To: Michelle Hass 30 Apr 92 15:12:00 Subject: Re: RE: Neophite me UpdReq In a message dated 29 Apr 92 04:29:02, Michelle Hass wrote: MH> Cliques indeed. That's the trouble...so many of us are banding MH> into little cliques, with us-against-them attitudes. Rather than MH> slamming each other, we should be building bridges between MH> Thelemic groups...exchanging info, working together, trying to MH> bring the New Current forward into the world around us. MH> When we try to build ourselves up by dissing others, we actually MH> LOWER ourselves. Perhaps some kind of networking between Thelemic communities is in order? Any ideas what we can do to bring open minded Thelemites together? MH> You give people the benefit of the doubt until they prove MH> themselves otherwise. The weeding out process is ideally an MH> organic process, a Tao-based process. Doing the right thing MH> might be hard sometimes, but it is its own reward. GD> Well said. The organic process turns unwanted material GD> into compost: hopefully it comes back "new and improved" MH> Improved for them in the long run too, Goddess willing! B-) The other alternative is unthinkable :) Love is the Law. Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paul Hume Area: Thelema To: itriol 2 May 92 21:34:56 Subject: Re: Thelema 101 UpdReq Vitriol - 93. According to my copy of Gesenius (edited by Tregelles): Cheth-Nun-Vau-Kaph (sofit, ie. final Kaph). Interestingly, the actual meaning of the word is given as "initiated" or "initiating." The usual crapola from Tregelles is appended to Gesenius original text. I noticed a new, unglossed translation of Gesenius (The Hebrew And Chaldee Lexicon) in Borders last week. While it is a hefty price (whereas this edition popped up for $12 in a used bookstore), I may have to spring for it. I am getting almighty tired of editorial notes like: Whatever the Jews may have feigned, and whatever books may have falsely been ascribed to him (ie. Enoch), we may rest assured upon the authority of God in the New Testament, that he was a prophet and that he uttered the prophecy recorded in Jude 12..." Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paul Hume Area: Thelema To: uups 2 May 92 21:41:52 Subject: Re: Thelema 101 UpdReq Cuups - 93. (With a handle like Cuups, why am I not surprised that you are a UU (g) ?) Actually, you have not drifted all that far from the Thelema topic, for when you mention the need for strong images of Deity as Male and Female, you describe a specific aspect of Thelema. The ecstatic union of opposites, or polar complements, is a pivotal concept of Thelema. Nuit and Hadit, and in a more manifest current, Therion and Babalon. Always with a third, unifying/balancing principle which arises from that union (Ra-Hoor-Khuit or more appropriatelyl Heru-Ra-Ha, and Aiwass, respectively). A trinity, but not trinitarian. ie. the three poles are not coequal, but arise dynamically, the two giving rise to the one (and the one moving inexorably to None - ie. to the Ain Soph of qabalism, the infinite, which is both 0 and without limit). The personification of the Divine within everything that lives is another crucial concept in Thelema, which partakes of pantheism in that regard (God is in everything, everything is of God). "Every man and every woman is a star," f'rinstance. In the specifically magical application of Thelema (shared with the western mystery tradition that is one of its parents), there is the constant goal of the magician's study: the union with the "Holy Guardian Angel," the God within the incarnate being. Paul PS - while I could do without the extreme right myself, it seems a bit strong to suggest that the PC nonsense is their creation, spread by nefarious agents provocateurs among the liitle children of liberal light. If there is right-wing involvement, it is more akin to the liberal left being nitwitted enough to try and fight using the weapons of the foe (repression, elevation of the concensus, control of speech) rather than keeping the principle of freedom as the guiding light. I might as well blame an opponent in physical combat for making me stupid enough to fight his way, rather than my way. "Ha! No fair! You made me box with you instead of using aikido. Your fault, etc." PRH 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paul Hume Area: Thelema To: uups 2 May 92 21:53:38 Subject: Re: Thelema 101 UpdReq Cuups - I've always heard it (YHVH) explicated as "He who is." A form of the verb "to be, " in fact. I am who am (or variations) being AHIH AShR AHIH (Eheieh asher eheieh), which doesn't show up until Exodus, whereas ALHIM and YHVH are both in Genesis. ALHIM (Elohim) being the first reference to the Divine, in the first sentence of the Torah. Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Mike Pfeiffer Area: Thelema To: Maldoror 8 May 92 20:44:36 Subject: Re: THE SUN UpdReq Cabala? A favorite! But note well: A) These are buttons that 6 hits with ME, even when I'm not calling it Tiphareth. Besides, I believe I stated that these were my intepretations. You didn't correct me on the magic square thing, so I imagine you're okay with the math on that. B) You must understand, I am a heretic. When I found out what cabala was years ago, I rushed right out to create one of my own. It was only once I was getting all I could on my own that I returned to reevaluate the original. Hell in my system I've renamed the trumps, switched geburah and hod, attributed the paths to a modified english - even though I had to add four paths and two letters to english to do it! C) As you point out, cabala works everywhere there is language - I think of it as an informational "ghost in the machine. For that reason and others it is only a convention, and we don't even have to agree on basic structure in order to yield coherence. Your comments are thoughtful and appropriate - keep it up! By the way, how do i highlight the text of someone else's message? I await your response, care frater. 93! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718