From: Albert Saperstein Area: Base of Set To: Gwenny The Pooh 14 Dec 93 01:19:46 Subject: Lost in Space? Sent UpdReq For intellectual challenge, I hang out here in SetLand, and on ECHO, 212-989-8411. ECHO has an Internet address, but I'm a technotard. Them Wicca ain't worth the phone bill. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: The Cegorach Area: Base of Set To: ALBERT SAPERSTEIN 13 Dec 93 07:20:10 Subject: Magick/golf UpdReq -=> Quoting Albert Saperstein to Deep Black <=- Re: Re: talismans and amulets AS> I LOVE yer statement that "magick is a lot like golf"! What? Now I have to wear plaid pants? ;-) ... equal opportunity heretic. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 VQWK 6.20 [Rev E - 11/28] 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Usurper Area: Base of Set To: Albert Saperstein 11 Dec 93 18:13:56 Subject: RE: Re: RE: Thanks! UpdReq Previously in _Morbid Angel_ (anarchists, but not Satanists) and now founder/leader/vocalist/bassist/songwriter/lyricist/groupie- girl-gash-gulper of the mighty _Incubus_. There is a current offering floating around titled 'Usurper', of course. }:-) [I'm currently breathing new life into this slumbering Ancient One.] If you get a chance, do run into _Metal Maniacs_ magazine's home office and ask for my comrade Borivoj, tell him Satan (the staff notes that I have my father's eyes) sent you. By the way, the editor is a tall, pert brunette demi-goddess...but don't tell her I said so!...must keep the overt 'there-are-over-2-billion-women-on earth-so-what-can-you-offer-other-than-the-obvious' approach! }:-) Send your snail mail address to me via FidoNet (node 1:125/430), and I'll ship you a cold slab of my hideous musick. Supplies are limited, so axe now! [See! Even Capitalists are subject to petty nuances.] (\,,,,,/) /\/\ \^^QvQ^^/ ,,, ..USURPER. \V---V/ \^^^/... .\./..... /...\^^^^\ <$>^^ ....^^ 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Balanone Area: Base of Set To: Jonathon Blake 12 Dec 93 15:26:24 Subject: Re: Tos UpdReq On 09 Dec 93 02:02:06, Jonathon Blake posted to Balanone concerning: Tos ... JB> Since BALANONE usually has interesting/useful things to say. JB> i decided to pay a little bit more attention than KHABIT was. JB> Thus my comments on Tos are as follows: BA>dark, evil organization people claim we are, then you can't believe BA>anything I write here. How are you going to find the truth? JB> statistical analysis -- both quantitative and JB> qualitative. Sorry, but I don't think that method will work. Statistical analysis requires a large set to measure and analyze. I'm just one, and even if you count all Setians on this echo, you probably do not have a large enough subset of the ToS for your analysis to be statistically significant. You'll need to find another method of validation. Balanone PP ... If at Faust you don't succeed, take Demonology 101 again. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Balanone Area: Base of Set To: Rakshasa 12 Dec 93 16:46:32 Subject: Re: Satanists vs Setians UpdReq On 10 Dec 93 14:08:00, Rakshasa posted to All concerning: Satanists vs Setians ... Ra> Hello, everyone. I am very much in the dark on where ToS stands with Ra> regards to the Satansim thing. I do understand that Satanists have Ra> "adopted" Set as thier Deity to represent Satan, do I understand Ra> correctly? Setians recognize Set as the most ancient name and most accurate view of the actual Prince of Darkness, that being of which Satan is but a twisted shadow. So no, Set does not represent Satan, but is a being by himself. Satan is not a being, but a corruption of the ideas offered by Set. Some Satanists outside of the ToS will also follow ideas similar to this, but many who call themselves Satanists won't. Ra> I also realize that Set was considered a "Dark God", Ra> brother of Osiris, and is very useful as a popular conception of what Ra> most people thing Satan and his Followers ought to immulate. I'm not Ra> up on be Egyptian Mythos, but I think Set pretty much got a bad rap, Ra> and that most of the evil rumors wrer originated by followers of Ra> Osiris, etc. There we somewhat agree with you. Set is "dark" and his "lighter" compliment is Horus (not Osiris -- some ancient Egyptian drawings actually show Set and Horus as sharing a body. Osiris is Horus' son). And yes, the political and religious movement in Osiris' name so hated everything Set stood for (independence, individual consciousness, and immediate responsibility) that they worked mightily to cast Set in an evil image and to wipe out all evidence that Set was worshiped as a proper god in his own right. They almost succeeded. Ra> So, is ToS an orgianization set up for the worship of Ra> Set, the Egyptian God, or for Satan, a completely Christian Ra> conception? Nope. The ToS is an organization set up for the pursuit and accomplishment of the ancient Egyptian philosophy of Xeper, self-becoming, updated to present perspectives. Set is the guiding spirit behind the movement of Xeper. Ra> To say that Satanism is a Christian conception is to say that Satanism Ra> is founded on finding the Christian full of lies, hypocrisy, etc. Ra> (which, by the way, I agree) and then gaining power by breaking (or Ra> reversing) the moral taboos of the Christian faith. Is there merit to Ra> this mode of thinking, or am I totally in left field here? That sounds like a good analysis to me. Ra> Because I Ra> am interested in what ToS believes (I know it is composed of Ra> individuals with differing beliefs, I am looking for the common Ra> thread), and its relationship to Satansim per se. Are you a group Ra> seeking spiritual attainment, a group who enjoys Christian bashing Ra> (seeing them as a bunch of deluded fools), a group who enjoys Ra> materialistic attainment/pleasures (Hedonists), a group who believes Ra> killing people and sacrificing souls to Satan will win them a superior Ra> place in Hell (Hard-core Satanists!), or agroup of people who Ra> sacrifices things/worships Set? Spiritual attainment? What do you mean by that? We seek personal advancement in being and ability. Spiritual attainment can be included within that broad sphere. Christian bashing? Fun, but a waste. Materialistic attainment and pleasure? Fun, but there are other important things. Hard-core Satanists? (Rather confused Christians, or Christians who rebel against their primary deity.) Not at all. Sacrifices to or worships Set? No -- we don't believe in sacrifice, and we don't believe in worship. Set is a being, perhaps like a "big brother", and we respect him as such. We "worship" Set as you might worship a big brother or father. And that's pretty much how it stands. Ra> All responses to this inquiry are most welcome. I hope this has been helpful. BTW, where did you get the alias? We recently "lost" another comrade who used a very similar alias on these echoes (a spelling variation). You wouldn't happen to have recently been reborn, are you? :-) Balanone PP ... You can't have everything. Where would you put it? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Dark Star Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 12 Dec 93 10:11:08 Subject: RE: Re: Pagan Wimps UpdReq DS> I'm getting pretty disgusted by all the ass kissing of Xtians by most DS> Pagans on Burning Times. They just let themselvs be manipulated and DB> I've been hearing of this for a very long time, so apparently its a DB> favorite pastime "there." Perhaps I'll check it out if I can find DB> a board near here with it as Purgatory does not. Maybe we should take it, DB> just DB> for Yocks....what the hell, we get Cult Watch! As a matter of fact, that's not a bad idea. It would bring some fresh and intelligent perspective to the echo. Also, there are some Pagans on the echo who would probably appreciate it, and I suspect maybe even give the ass kissers pause for thought. Besides, you could have a lot of fun tweaking them...hee-hee..! BTW, if you do check out the echo, look for Gwenny The Pooh. I think you would like her. From what I gather, she lives in Colorado with her husband, Wild Hunter, and she is very upfront and outspoken. She is most definitely not a fan of the Xtians, and while she is an independent Pagan, she's not a Crystal Weenie! She's defended Satanism/Setians consistently, and is just a cool person in general. Here's a tagline I stole from her?: AACCK...delete the ? ) Ok, here's her tagline: "And God put a lighter to his butt and farted, and there was light." Is this cool or what? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Mad Maxx Area: Base of Set To: All 13 Dec 93 04:33:34 Subject: Sigil Magick UpdReq The question would be whether you are researching talismans from a historical view, or you want to make talismanic magick WORK for you. If the former, try the Goeta and the Greater Key of Solomon books by Crowley. If the latter, the aforementioned "Liber Null" by Carroll and Austin Ossman Spare's "Book Of Pleasures" if you can find it. But the most handy of all would be "Practical Sigil Magic" by Frater U:.D:. (Llewellyn) - how to create your own talismans and amulets (as well as mantras), and they WORK if you apply yourself to the proper technique.) - Max 555 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Malkuvio Area: Base of Set To: All 13 Dec 93 23:49:30 Subject: ToS UpdReq Greetings all. I come here upon the trail of one Lilith Aquino, moderator of Echo 106, Vampyres. She mentioned the initiatory work of the vampyre, as well as the Order of the Vampyre under the temple of Set. What I know of Set is seen mostly through the eyes of Horus, his pathetic brother who has manipulated his way into the leadership of our current Age. I understand that my viewpointe may be a bit misguided, and would appreciate more input. As things stand, I realize I know nothing of your Temple and its activities. Only you can remedy this situation, and I look forward to long nights in front of a glowing screen expanding my knowledge. If there are any Files uploaded that can guide me through the initial stages, just leave their names posted, and I will do my homework. Your assistance rewarded, Malkuvio. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718