From: Paul Hume Area: Base of Set To: V. H. 11 Aug 93 10:35:46 Subject: Dual Membership -- O.T.O. and ToS UpdReq VH - Without commenting on the accuracy of scraps of ritual from whatever source (however Kingly it may be ;-) ) the Order as far as I know (and I only know up to IIIo myself) has no constraint on the operation of orders or memberships outside the OTO. The wording of the oath as you posted it might therefore (if it seems to say otherwise) be called into question as far as accuracy goes, since this is not the understanding of the Grand Master (ie. Hymenaeus Beta) as expressed to his membership. Whether accurate or not (like the US Navy, I neither confirm nor deny in such cases), your interpretation does not reflect the position of the OTO as explained to this initiate of the OTO. Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Paul Hume Area: Base of Set To: Haeglwulf 11 Aug 93 10:42:22 Subject: Re: A response to a response to a response, usv.UpdReq Haeglwulf - 93 and protofraternal helloes ;-) One point about your sigh of relief, when you say... H> waiting to send in the app., but now I can go on H> ahead with the initiation without concern. If you knew how hyped up the goat usually gets for Io inits, you'd be concerned. Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Zbigniew Nitecki 11 Aug 93 12:40:00 Subject: Re: Thanks UpdReq ZN> Well it finally came and I am now a Setian I*. Needless to say it ZN> made my day, week, month. Anyway the purpose of this note is to ZN> thank all the people (Rakshasa, Deep Black, Setanta (sp!), Sucellos, ZN> anybody else I forgot.) that gave me words of encouragement and ZN> kicked me in the arse. Congratulations! Xeper and Remanifest. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Upir Area: Base of Set To: All 11 Aug 93 18:34:12 Subject: ToS UpdReq I am very much considering sending in my own application of entry. The only thing making me hesitate is the fee. I understand that if accepted I will recieve several items. Which I have no problem paying for but for some reason that I can't explain it bothers me. Any insite from anyone will be listened to. Objectively of course. But other than that I'm ready! Thank You All. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Mr. PSYOP MindWar Guy 11 Aug 93 23:59:00 Subject: Re: Free Love UpdReq MP> I'm not yet aware of what others on this echo view Free Love as. MP> But the truth of the matter is that Free Love, especially in the MP> Haight-Ashbury, was nothing more than a load of men exploiting MP> teenage girls who'd come to check out what was happening in S.F.. MP> They'd pump drugs into the girls until they'd lost all their senses MP> and could not resist the ensuing gang-bang forced upon them. MP> It was a cheap, easy way to achieve rape without having to worry MP> about MP> somebody pressing charges against them for it. I believe somebody else said something to that effect... might have been a member of the Diggers. I'm in agreement with you there, though... I've noticed that many of those who support "free love" are men who normally can't get it without paying for it. I think free love is a great idea, provided that everyone concerned is really ready for an open relationship. I've been in a few open relationships and one triad relationship and in general things worked out fine. However, it's amazing how many people don't mind if you sleep with someone else until you actually DO sleep with someone else. MP> Support Your Local Virgins. Dude... I'm in southern California. There ARE no local virgins. Xeper Kevin 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Zbigniew Nitecki 12 Aug 93 00:02:00 Subject: Re: Thanks UpdReq Congratulations and good luck to you. Maybe you can pick up my slack, as I'm going to be requesting a temporary hiatus from the Temple shortly (until my mundane life clears... had I done this earlier I would have saved myself and some others a great deal of trouble). While I'm gone just remember... "It's not a good idea unless it pisses SOMEBODY off." Xeper Kevin 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Grendel Grettisson Area: Base of Set To: Mr. PSYOP MindWar Guy 11 Aug 93 14:21:00 Subject: Free Love UpdReq > Rape was called "love." > Surrender to the Communists in SE Asia was called "peace". What are you? A Republican? We didn't belong in 'nam. Allow people to choose their own destiny as a nation. They CHOSE to be communist after fighting the French. It was only our propping up of the opposing monarchy that held it off for a while. Wassail, Grendel Grettisson 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Albert Saperstein Area: Base of Set To: Upir 12 Aug 93 19:27:24 Subject: ToS Sent UpdReq I don't join groups, but I will advise you on the FIRST rule of magick: BUY AN EGG WITHOUT HAGGLING. If you're that uptight about parting with your money, they probably don't need you anyway... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718