From: Zbigniew Nitecki Area: Base of Set To: All Setians 10 Aug 93 08:42:20 Subject: Thanks UpdReq Well it finally came and I am now a Setian I*. Needless to say it made my day, week, month. Anyway the purpose of this note is to thank all the people (Rakshasa, Deep Black, Setanta (sp!), Sucellos, anybody else I forgot.) that gave me words of encouragement and kicked me in the arse. Thank You. Xeper! Zbigniew Nitecki Setian I* (Sounds great doesn't it?) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Mr. PSYOP MindWar Guy Area: Base of Set To: Setanta 10 Aug 93 09:51:00 Subject: Re: Free Love UpdReq Se> In this time of retro-60's, I'm wondering if there's a general Se> consensus on this echo on the concept of Free Love. I'm not yet aware of what others on this echo view Free Love as. But the truth of the matter is that Free Love, especially in the Haight-Ashbury, was nothing more than a load of men exploiting teenage girls who'd come to check out what was happening in S.F.. They'd pump drugs into the girls until they'd lost all their senses and could not resist the ensuing gang-bang forced upon them. It was a cheap, easy way to achieve rape without having to worry about somebody pressing charges against them for it. Rape was called "love." Surrender to the Communists in SE Asia was called "peace". It was wholly fraudulent. Support Your Local Virgins. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Mr. PSYOP MindWar Guy Area: Base of Set To: The Sinistar 10 Aug 93 10:20:00 Subject: Re: Free Love UpdReq Se> Hm. Would that include a commitment that you would continue to Se> have an emotional attachment "forever," or at least for a certain Se> of time? TS> A certain period of time seems more likely... But cannot a person remain with another person for "a certain period of time" *without* a "commitment" as well? If so, where does commitment come into play in a temporal relationship? TS> I would tell my spouse if I'd met a woman I was interested in, and I TS> would hope for the same thing from her. If I didn't tell her ahead TS> of time, it would make it appear I was sneaking around behind her back... This is good to read. Your decision-making process does exhibit elements of real love for your spouse. I define love as "unselfishly choosing the highest good for another." That is, "love" in the romantic sense. I believe the Japanese have about five words for "love". You can love a pet, a possession, a sensation, etc... The real trick is to remain committed to your wife and manage to no allow yourself to become interested in another woman. Self-discipline and self-control are arts to master in themselves. Support Your Local Virgins. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Mr. PSYOP MindWar Guy Area: Base of Set To: Loki 10 Aug 93 10:20:00 Subject: Re: Free Love UpdReq --- QuickBBS 2.76 * Origin: Purgatory : Reyn Til Runa! (1:170/811) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Haeglwulf Area: Base of Set To: Zbigniew Nitecki 10 Aug 93 22:19:18 Subject: Re: hey! UpdReq Greetings. ZN> I think the gays have given themselves a very bad rep. In the sense that ZN> the people that are at the fore front of the protest are the flamboyant, ZN> cross dressers, stereotypical "fag" (Lisp and all). That is what people ZN> are scared of. I would have a very hard time following someone wearing ZN> leather booty shorts and pink half shirt. Its not that I'm against ZN> homosexuality, its that I don't want MY military, that I work hard for, ZN> disgraced. People who have some form of discipline are welcomed. ZN> To put your life in the hands of a commander you have to have great ZN> respect for that person. That is what they mean by "unit cohesion" Sorry for butting in so late, but my computer's been down for a while. Stereotypes do not develop in a vacuum. That behaviours you mention are typical of the gay community. I sympathize with your feelings. As an "out", but straight-acting homosexual, I've experienced a boomerang effect from my own so-called community. I'm been called both reppressed and a traitor because I am outside of queer culture. I believe that many of the characteristics which you mention are resultant from years of oppression. One becomes what one is called. However, there is a new breed of homosexual developing, one that is proud and secure in who it is, yet is not neccessarily obvious. This scares the right the most, as it is becoming rather difficult who is what. The future will be interesting. ZN> Question: Is Homosexuality or Heterosexuality or Bi- or Tri- a race or ZN> a belief? I could choose to live an exclusivly hetero lifestyle if I chose. However, I would not be living true to myself. I believe that this is abhorant to Setians and Thelemites alike. I choose not to. And I will fight anyone who tries to stop me from being myself. Haeglwulf 93! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Haeglwulf Area: Base of Set To: Walter Five 10 Aug 93 22:42:42 Subject: Re: A response to a response to a response, usv.UpdReq Greetings. WF> Quite right! But even if you took a Minerval tomorrow, WF> you'd have a four year wait before you'd be facing the WF> Lover's Triad. Man of Earth, at least till 3rd will WF> have no serious conflicts with your other obligations, WF> in fact it will strengthen them. Butting in once more! This is a relief to hear. Facing my 1st degree intiation in two weeks, I've held off sending in my application to the Temple of Set to see what obligations I'm incuring with the Order, and whethter it would compliment my (if accepted) Setian work. Your statement comes as a welcome relief. I'm still waiting to send in the app., but now I can go on ahead with the initiation without concern. Haeglwulf 93! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Albert Saperstein Area: Base of Set To: Ali Katz 11 Aug 93 23:40:24 Subject: Guns Sent UpdReq The best defense is awareness of what is going on around you. Good running shoes help. And some of you "professional" war guys might be surprised by New York City someday... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Albert Saperstein Area: Base of Set To: Mr. PSYOP MindWar Guy 11 Aug 93 23:48:10 Subject: Re: Free Love Sent UpdReq You mean "fraudulent" as in guns for drugs deals between US Government personnel and SE Asian dope peddlers hidden from the American people under the the guise of "National Security"? "Fraudulent" like Air America? "Fraudulent" like Nixon's Operation Sideshow? Have you ever taken an oath to the United States Constitution? Do you see any conflict between that oath and the Imperial Presidency epitomized by Executive usurpation of the power to declare war? Really, Doc... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718