From: Astral Invader Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 8 Oct 92 12:33:00 Subject: Re: Set questions UpdReq Bl> Well, if I did that, whatever you said bared repeating Bl> without Bl> comment. Are you sure you didn't just screw up?...}:) /Astral/ 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Astral Invader Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 8 Oct 92 12:36:00 Subject: Re: Set questions UpdReq Bl> It was. I dont like any of the Whos after him either. They Bl> had Bl> some interesting ones before him though. True.... Bl> Sorry you missed that show. It was one of the best of Dr. Who Bl> shows. Actually, I probably just forgot about it....It's been awhile sicne I've seen ANY Dr. Who episodes.... Bl> series hosted by Boris Karloff called Thriller. THAT WAS A Bl> GREAT Bl> SERIES!! They probably lost the tapes now or else it would be Bl> re Bl> ran. When did it air?... /Astral/ 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Blaise Area: Base of Set To: rakshasa 8 Oct 92 00:25:48 Subject: Joining the Temple Rec'd UpdReq While in limbo, Blaise thought it would be nice to talk about Joining the Temple to rakshasa. >Bl> OT> K'fung'n zyb'nos Z'j-m'h kyns el-gryn'hy. >Bl> >Bl> I am also a student of philology. With the above language I >Bl> am >Bl> not familiar. Seeing the short constants I conjecture it >Bl> is some African language. Am I correct? ra> Nope--it's Yuggothic, I believe. This is a language Michael ra> Aquino invented for his "Call to Cthulhu" in the _Satanic Rituals_. ra> Incidentally, chanting it can produce altered states of ra> consciousness almost as quickly as Enochian can. Now I am VERY INTERESTED! Is there a Yuggothic Dictionary or Grammar? I would love to learn the language. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Blaise Area: Base of Set To: rakshasa 8 Oct 92 08:56:48 Subject: Limbo Rec'd UpdReq While in limbo, Blaise thought it would be nice to talk about Limbo to rakshasa. ra> This one should do it, dude! This one shows you have the kind ra> of analytical mind and willingness to examine the ideals ra> presented which is exactly what the Temple of Set is looking for. ra> If I were you I'd send that one in right away. Thanks for the help ra> And yeah, we've had a few problems in the past. We're pretty ra> hard on people trying to get it because we don't need a Richard ra> Ramirez or Charles Manson among our members I is strange that no one associates Scientology with Charles Manson even though that was his principal reading material before Helter Skelter. Source: Helter Skelter. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Blaise Area: Base of Set To: Oz Tech 8 Oct 92 11:22:34 Subject: Joining the Temple UpdReq While in limbo, Blaise thought it would be nice to talk about Joining the Temple to Oz Tech. > B> The German form of astrology---called > B> cosmobiology which was developed in the 30's---was based upon > B> empirical fact gathering and testing of ideas against a harsh > B> reality. OT> Who, or what group, was the inventor of cosmobiology? His name was Reinholt Ebertin. During the 30's, he was the editor of Die Zenith, the German astrological magazine. It was closed down when the Reich came to power. Source: Occult Secrets of the Third Reich. Since, the author of the book didnt mention what Ebertin did during the Third Reich it might be fruitful for some Setian stationed in Germany to see if he or she can find out. > B> It is the > B> divination side of the ancient sidereal astrology of which I > B> co-discovered* that I need help on in the form of gathering > B> of > B> facts on people's past. I found that autobiographies and > B> biographies aren't helpful to do this. The fact gathering > B> must > B> be done in person one-to-one. OT> Do you use nonverbal feedback? When the schism occurred Dick told his other students that I was getting the results I did through a form of subtle hypnosis. During the last contact I had with one of his students, knowing what Dick had said about me, I charted the past of a friend of his. At the end of the reading I asked if I had hypnotized him to say those words of affirmation about what I had seen on the chart and he laughed and said there was no way I could have. OT> BTW, if you're bored, you could check out the ToS reading list. An old OT> version of the list can be found on several BBS. Thanks, but I will have to first copy my findings into a computer file. At the time I had a TRS-80, Model I with Basic Level 1. An antique by modern standards. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 8 Oct 92 13:58:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq Bl> Perhaps this is so. Unfortunately we can't say "yea" nor Bl> "nay" on this. Well...I could ask how come nobody else noticed the sun stop when Joshua did that? Or I could ask how come nobody else talks about Sodom and Gomorrah being razed by Holy Fire? Or I could mention the 9 foot tall guy named Goliath of Gath. Bl> I WOULD like you to tell me more on the Arthur discoveries. Bl> elaborate upon later. I'll need to get back into a library--but I recall reading somewhere that there was a chieftan named Artur in 6th century England. I'll let you know more on that as I find it. Bl> I see your point here also. Have you considered that the Bl> Flood might also refer to something other than a PHYSICAL experience Bl> that was so out of the ordinary that the only way the Ancients had in Bl> describing it was in terms of a previous known period of inundation Sure--but why have they all chosen such a SIMILAR myth. Myths of the flood are all very similar--all involve a man in a boat who saves the animals when the whole world goes underwater. I am not exactly sure what you are getting at with the idea of some non-physical occurrence. Could you specify a little more, please? Bl> Here I will have to correct you. One of the source materials Bl> that H.P. Blavatsky used in the making of her "Secret Bl> tome was an excerpt from Borreas the Egyptian historian. He Bl> mentions that the Jews had a disease that was infecting the Bl> Egyptians and were driven out for that reason. Much of Blavatsky's historical work is, to say the least, of dubious authenticity. However, I would have to see an example of the writings of Borreas in a non-theosophical source to credit or discreit that. Bl> Are you talking about the culture that spawned Socrates and Bl> Aristotle? Perhaps this would be true of an Egyptian but the Bl> Greeks of Pericles day were much more sophisticated. Again, Bl> you thought that they might be spreading the myths for a Bl> You must remember; they had their Mystery schools. What do Bl> you Bl> suppose they taught in those Mystery schools? I see no reason why a sophisticated culture cannot see life from an animist perspective. You mentioned in your letter that you worked for a time in an occult bookstore. How frequently did you see intelligent and well-educated people talking about their crystals as if they were people? Or have you never seen great mechanics who consider cars living beings? Animism is not popular in our culture because we see a difference between living (spirit) and dead (matter). A culture which does not have those dichotomies would not necessarily see a problem with believing that a river or stream is alive. What you're calling sophistication is seeing things through your cultural perspective. Even today many very intelligent Japanese follow Shintoism, which basically teaches that rocks, streams, and other entities have spirits (i.e. are living beings). Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka SetianKevin T. Filan Is 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 8 Oct 92 14:00:00 Subject: Re: In limbo UpdReq Re: Sidereal Astrology--I stand corrected. Thanks for explaining that to me. I've yet to read anything on sidereal astrology and would be interested in doing so as soon as I get a chance. Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 8 Oct 92 14:01:00 Subject: Re: Limbo UpdReq The one thing I'm noticing is you still think of magic merely as a tool to change the Outside world--try using it to change the inside (subjective) and you'll have some interesting and beneficial effects. Try Regardie's _The Middle Pillar_ and _The Golden Dawn_ for more on that. Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Pale Rider 8 Oct 92 14:02:00 Subject: Re: Necronomican UpdReq Thanks, P.R.--I look forward to receiving it if you can get it! Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Oz Tech 8 Oct 92 14:12:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq OT> An interesting analysis. (There is, of course, the question of OT> whether OT> righteous women would be counted; generally, in OT & NT alike, they OT> aren't, except when distributing captured female virgins.) In terms OT> of OT> what lessons this might hold for a modern fledgling god, it suggests OT> to me OT> that one should give great leeway when dealing with one's inferiors, OT> but OT> be merciless and total if the facts warrant this. Do you think this OT> is a OT> valid "Satanic" perspective on the myth? And is it beneficial to OT> critique OT> Yahweh relative to one's own godhood? (Yahweh is no more OT> intrinsically OT> valid than any other historical god, of course; it's just that many OT> of us OT> have grown up in a culture influenced by this image of "divinity".) Actually, what I was trying to do was to show Jeff that there are _other_ ways of looking at the Bible than as "fundamentally true" in the same sense that a parking ticket or encyclopedia is true. Your reading, however, is another good example. You gleaned a lesson from the story--one regarding mercy and mercilessness. In other words, you founddn value from the tale without worrying about whether or not there actually was a Sodom and Gomorrah or whether it was actually burned. Your perspective is certainly valid (if valid means useful) and I certainly think it can be worthwhile to critique one's personal godhood from Yahweh's. In any event, it would be no less so than to critique godhood based on Great Cthulhu, Odin, or any other deity which you might wish to model yourself after. (Although perhaps you might want to choose one who had a bit more sense of humor....) Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 8 Oct 92 14:14:00 Subject: Re: Joining the Temple UpdReq Dr. Aquino invented Yuggothic for the Cthulhu material in the Satanic rituals. So far as I know that is the only place you will find Yuggothic. Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Blaise Area: Base of Set To: Astral Invader 8 Oct 92 13:15:44 Subject: Set questions UpdReq While in limbo, Blaise thought it would be nice to talk about Set questions to Astral Invader. >Bl> Well, if I did that, whatever you said bared repeating >Bl> without >Bl> comment. AI> Are you sure you didn't just screw up?...}:) Nirev! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Blaise Area: Base of Set To: Astral Invader 8 Oct 92 13:20:54 Subject: Set questions UpdReq While in limbo, Blaise thought it would be nice to talk about Set questions to Astral Invader. >Bl> It was. I dont like any of the Whos after him either. They >Bl> had >Bl> some interesting ones before him though. AI> True.... >Bl> Sorry you missed that show. It was one of the best of Dr. Who >Bl> shows. AI> Actually, I probably just forgot about it....It's been awhile AI> since I've seen ANY Dr. Who episodes.... >Bl> series hosted by Boris Karloff called Thriller. THAT WAS A >Bl> GREAT >Bl> SERIES!! They probably lost the tapes now or else it would be >Bl> re >Bl> ran. AI> When did it air?... In the late 60's. One of the episodes had a stage magician who found the Grimorum Verum and summoned Asteroth to do his magic. Movies about ceremonial magicians just werent made back then. That was a first. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 8 Oct 92 18:07:00 Subject: Re: The Magician's Work UpdReq Bl> What is the Black Flame? I am familiar with the White My assessment is that the Black Flame is Illuminated Consciousness of the Initiate. Bl> other Orders since you do not explore the Hermetic sciences Ahh, but the Initiate is encouraged to explore _anything_ that he/she feels will further their Xeper! Ipsissimus Aquino has said some very interesting things about the value of what he feels is the essence of the RHP uncluttered by the trappings of Judeo-Christian (and similar) paradigms. Bl> therefore, though having a goal of everlasting life on Bl> earth, you have not the foggiest idea how to accomplish this Bl> goal. I wouldn't go as far as to say that this is a central goal of the Temple of Set. Remanifestation is not a matter of simple extension of the individual consciousness beyond what we call death. It certainly may include notions such as this, but to limit it to this wouldn't be doing it justice, in my opinion. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Servant 8 Oct 92 18:10:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq Se> the Kingdom of God. DO NOT BE DECEIVED: Neither the sexual immoral Se> not the idolators nor adulteres not male prostitutes nor homosexual Se> offenders nor theives nor the greedy nor drunkards..." Would someone please bump the turntable? There seems to be a skip in the record! Se> nothing, then I guess you have to be saying that the drunkards, the Se> adulterers, thieves, and murderers will make it to Heaven, then... Se> correct? Putting words in others mouths is bad form. Se> by God to the man. Paul is correct in everything he says, according Opinion. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 8 Oct 92 18:16:00 Subject: Re: Set questions UpdReq Bl> Eye? One eye?? Dear. A cyclops. Naaawwww! He just put on a blindfold and removed his third-eye patch! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Charles Nemo 8 Oct 92 18:19:00 Subject: Re: Necronomicon Rec'd UpdReq CN> Pack your lunch! };-) (Rumor has it that the sequel to "The Silence CN> of the Lambs" features a love match between Hannibal and the young CN> lady FBI agent. Seems too good to be true....) Do I sense double entendre here? }:D Hannibal having Jody for lunch.........how many levels are we operating on here? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Servant 8 Oct 92 18:26:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq Se> was a sin - this was why he burnt it down. Of course, God is not as Se> harsh as he is today, by burning down cities, etc... but a sin is a Se> sin. Hey, we all have our bad days! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Servant Area: Base of Set To: rakshasa 8 Oct 92 19:29:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels Rec'd UpdReq ra> told in the Bible, are two things; 1) God will spare a city if he ra> can find even _ten_ righteous men in the whole place; 2) When God True. So your point does show that homosexuality is a sin.... thus the reason God destroyed it. ra> designed to hint at deeper truths and present them in a symbolic ra> way) instead of an actual, factual document like our modern ra> newspaper (the equivalent of which did not exist until the 18th That contradicts Christianity, Kevin. I see you point. But, PLEASE, understand, if I believed the Bible as only a "myth", to me, that would completely make the Bible useless. First, and most important, it would make the story of Jesus a myth - I do not believe that. Jesus is Lord, if you agree with that or not. I know Jesus is real - no, I have not seen Him, but I can feel Him, and I have a RELATIONSHIP with Him. Sure, there are some "myths" in the Word of God; these are parables Jesus taught to make a point. I have a hard time agreeing with the archaelogist (sp?) point of view - they are not totally correct either. A TRUE Scientist, as I am learning in school, especially evolutionary scientists, admitt that it is only a theory. That is quite sufficient to my not total agreement with these "archaoelogical findings".. understand? God Bless... Jeff 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Servant Area: Base of Set To: Charles Nemo 8 Oct 92 19:30:00 Subject: Re: Worldview Rec'd UpdReq CN> Am I being too blunt for your refined tastes??? CN> Believe what you will, Nemo. To me it seems you are not intelligent enough to keep an open mind. The reason I say this, is YOU are the one that has the hatred towards anyother religion except yours.... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Servant 8 Oct 92 23:14:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq Se> True. So your point does show that homosexuality is a sin.... Se> the reason God destroyed it. My point shows nothing of the sort, Jeff. In fact, many believe that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah (as I mentioned in my earlier post, I believe) was the worship of Moloch. These rites involved the sacrifice of babies and young children, who were thrown in a fire to ensure prosperity. Supposedly God was so outraged by the murder of children that he struck the cities down with holy fire. Moloch-worship (and attendant child sacrifice) has been shown to have existed in the area at about the time of Avraham (the Hebrew equivalent of Abraham). I would have a much easier time understanding God striking down a city for child-murder than I would him striking down a city for homosexuality. (Moloch-worship was confined to the Middle Eastern Levantine areas--today's Israel/Lebanon/Syria; if God wanted to punish people for homosexuality why didn't he strike down the Greeks, who have a long tradition of homosexuality and who were busy sodomizing each other (pardon the pun) about the time that Sodom fell? Why didn't he strike down many Pacific tribes, where homosexuality is considered a natural part of the order of things? Why didn't he bring lightning and fire down on the American Indian religions who had "wintkes," homosexual holy men and women who were considered especially sacred because they partook equally of the nature of male and female? On the other hand, the religion of child-sacrifice had become especially strong here; maybe Yahweh decided "enough of this is enough" and took action. I must admit I'd have a lot more sympathy for him in that case). Se> That contradicts Christianity, Kevin. I see you point. But, Se> understand, if I believed the Bible as only a "myth", to me, that Se> completely make the Bible useless. First, and most important, it Se> the story of Jesus a myth - I do not believe that. Jesus is Lord, if Se> you agree with that or not. I know Jesus is real - no, I have not Se> seen Se> there Se> are some "myths" in the Word of God; these are parables Jesus taught Se> a point. I have a hard time agreeing with the archaelogist (sp?) Se> point of Se> view - they are not totally correct either. A TRUE Scientist, as I Se> am learning in school, especially evolutionary scientists, admitt Se> that Se> it is only a theory. That is quite sufficient to my not total Se> agreement Se> with these "archaoelogical findings".. understand? To believe that the stories contained in the Bible are not "real" in the sense that a newspaper report is "real" does not for one minute interfere with the realty of Jesus. There may well be a Jesus (in fact, the historical records of Flavius Josephus mention a Jesus who was crucified under Pontius Pilate). Let me ask you this, though: were his last words a) a loud cry; b) the words "Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachtani?" (My God, My God, why have you abandoned me?"; or c) "Father, into your hands I commend my spirit?" Each of these are given as his last words in three different Gospels. Also, was he crucified on the third hour of the day or the ninth hour of the day? There was a Jesus, and it is significant to not that he _never_ wrote anything down. He was a trained Jew (who reportedly amazed the Doctors of the Temple, the University professors of that time, at the age of twelve). We must assume then that he was literate. Why didn't he feel it necessary to write his message down and give us each rule and regulation? Because his message was "Love one Another." Why, he must have figured, should I write that down? It's easy enough to remember. He may just have figured (and I'm putting words in God's mouth here; please forgive me my arrogance) that "I can make all men better if they'll just ask me into their hearts. If they'll do that, then I'll help them as much as I am able." Just think, Jeff...if we all loved each other we wouldn't _need_ to worry about crime or hatred. And re. the homosexuality posting...let me ask you a question I posted on the Interfaith echo. I will assume that homosexuality is a sin, just for the sake of this argument. So is being a drunkard, or beating your wife, or failing to honor your mother and your father. Why is it that homosexuality gets so much attention from Christians? Why don't we see bratty children called "abominations" and hear leukemia and cystic fibrosis called "God's punishment to bratty children?" Why don't we hear Christians trying to convince us that wife-beating is wrong? Why all this attention to homosexuality? (And it's not just on this echo--it became a hot topic on CultInfo, NightSide, and InterFaith as well). Why is this sin so all-fired _interesting_ to y'all? Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 9 Oct 92 18:48:20 Subject: Re: Necronomicon Sent UpdReq CN> Pack your lunch! };-) (Rumor has it that CN> the sequel to "The Silence CN> of the Lambs" features a love match between CN> Hannibal and the young CN> lady FBI agent. Seems too good to be true....) DB> Do I sense double entendre here? }:D DB> Hannibal having Jody for lunch.........how many DB> levels are we operating DB> on here? You suspect ME of a double entendre? I am cut to the quick, sir!!! };-) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Base of Set To: Servant 9 Oct 92 18:50:20 Subject: Re: Worldview Sent UpdReq CN> Am I being too blunt for your refined tastes??? CN> S> Believe what you will, Nemo. To me it seems you are not intelligent S> enough to keep an open mind. The reason I say S> this, is YOU are the one S> that has the hatred towards anyother religion except yours.... I keep an open mind, but only for so long. If anything, I have been far TOO openminded, and the sleaziness of smiling fundies has cost me dearly! In addition, I have expressed no hatred for any other religion except xtianity. You are also wrong about my religion. I have no religion. In fact, there is only one correct assertion in your entire message. I will indeed believe what I wish! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718