From: Blaise Area: Base of Set To: rakshasa 29 Sep 92 20:24:16 Subject: Set questions Rec'd UpdReq On 29 Sep 92 14:05, the Great Blaise said to the ever popular rakshasa, this ra> Bl) Goodness is that which prolongs life on earth and evil that ra> which shortens life on earth... ra> Sorry, Blaise, but I don't think that definition is ra> entirely satisfactory. What about the suffering terminally ra> ill--is prolonging their existence so they can endure more misery ra> a "good" thing? And is euthanasia, then, an "evil." I don't ra> think so...and I feel I can make a good case for it. ra> Could you offer another definition of "good" and "evil?" Goodness. I love this. You really make me stop and think. When I was defining goodness I did so using as the example to define the meaning the Law of Moses' ban on eating pork. The reason was you couldn't keep it long in the warm Judean climate without it spoiling and giving you tomane poisoning. Tatoos and pierced ears would also cause infections when administered under the unsanitary conditions prevailent at that time. Going through each of the Mosaical laws one may find the reason always that something was banned because it lead to illness or infection if practiced. But now you give me a case in which the life would be lengthened to the suffering of the liver of it. So let me modify my definition to cover that. Goodness, then, is that which prolongs enjoyable life while shorting unenjoyable life on earth, and evil is that which prolongs unenjoyable life while shorting enjoyable life on earth. If you give me a case that would contradict that statement I will modify it more. BTW, the my original assumption is probably what doctors use to justify thier belief that a suffering patient should be maintained at all cost. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Blaise Area: Base of Set To: rakshasa 29 Sep 92 20:49:28 Subject: Set questions Rec'd UpdReq On 29 Sep 92 14:09, the Great Blaise said to the ever popular rakshasa, this ra> BL) I don't feel I HAVE a Superego, Ego, or Id...but I feel that ra> at any given time I may BE one of the above... ra> ra> I'd have to disagree with you on that. From my magical ra> experience I've found that often our "higher moral standards, et ra> al" are really tied in with our "id" more closely than we'd like ra> to imagine. How so? Could you elaborate on that further? As for myself, I find that much which passes as high moral standards have been, on critical analysis, just something people have been taught was the right thing to do until it had become a habit. For example, belching is considered an improper thing to do. Yet the real reason for the taboo is mostly because we grew up being taught that it was improper rather than that the act would cause us illness or death or some other type of suffering if we did it. A further example is the convention of men wearing ties. What dire illness or suffering would result from not wearing ties? Though a man wouldn't be considered amoral to not wear a tie at a business meeting, one would think it from the way people stare. Although my examples weren't quite on the line of morality, if you would stop and think, I believe that you would find that there is less a line of distinction between morality and good etiquette than you might have thought previously. (BTW, I don't think the Freudian terminology very ra> satisfactory--I use it because it's generally accepted and I can ra> get a point across quickly and clearly. For more careful and ra> exact study of the psyche I find Freud's work to be that of a ra> sexually obsessed neurotic 19th century philosopher...) ra> I think that, should you examine many of the times when ra> you felt your "Ego" or "Superego" or "Id" was in control you'd ra> find that the distinction was not so clear as you might think. ra> --- QuickBBS 2.75 ra> * Origin: Purgatory : Xeper! (1:170/811) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Blaise Area: Base of Set To: rakshasa 29 Sep 92 21:19:50 Subject: Set questions Rec'd UpdReq ra> Morality: RHP Morality is based on the subjugation of ra> the self to the Other. ra> The LHP philosopher/magician is concerned primarily ra> with our _own_ development. ra> We have (at least the LHP philosophers and Setians I have ra> encountered) very strict ethical guidelines. ra> We believe that behavior like lying, cheating, etc. _belittles_ the ra> self. ra> make me, in my own opinion, less of a heroic person than I should be. ra> Our moral code is similar to the Samurai concept of ra> we avoid immorality because it is behavior which is beneath us ra> as heroic individuals. In the above statements I see a Persona of heroism. This sounds like the German Uberman. (I have always strangely been drawn to that era of German idealization known as the Third Reich, I don't know why). I also see a continuance between my messages. In one (the last I wrote before this one though you read them out of chronology), a had talked upon moral standards as being mostly habit. So, here I issue a warning, make sure that what you feel to be moral is based upon a actual aim toward a better life rather than a habitual action that would seem to be absurd to do if you would analyze it. The way to prevent this, of course, is to analyse EACH of your morals to see if they are actually a rational act or a commonly excepted absurdity as wearing ties and high heels. ra> In at least one aspect, though, we come upon common ra> ground; both a committed RHP philosopher and a committed LHP ra> philosopher will have a strict set of ethical guidelines which ra> they will strive to follow. Their reasons behind them will be ra> different--the results will be awfully similar. As I heard from the White Magick schools, yes. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: The Sorcerer (Sysop) 30 Sep 92 07:51:00 Subject: Re: Base of Set? UpdReq TS> What is the address for the Temple of Set? I'm not at home presently, so I do not have the address. It is in the + 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 30 Sep 92 14:02:00 Subject: Re: Set questions UpdReq Basically, it sounds like you and I use the same standards for determining good and evil--that is, a utilitarian, relativistic standard. You're not telling me things are "good" or "evil" because of "Holy Writ" or the "Will of God." You're thinking as a Setian or LHP philosopher would--good and evil are functions of an action's results and not of some outside standard of "good" or "evil." And you standard sounds like a decent one for the time being--I can't think offhand of a contradictory example. If one were to arise, I think you (and I) would then try to think of another standard to work by. One of the advantages (or disadvantages) of relativistic ethics is that you have to stay on your toes and keep thinking. Your comment about doctors prolonging life at all costs because of your earlier assumption is a perceptive one. It also helps to show the danger of attempting to create a Written in Stone ethical standard--before too long you're causing pain and suffering by trying to keep to your old standard, which was designed to _avoid_ them. Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 30 Sep 92 14:15:00 Subject: Re: Set questions UpdReq BL) Could you give an example (of the Superego/Ego/Id interaction I postulated in a previous posting) Sure--when I did a "Lovecraft Working" I found myself getting in tune with many of the "primitive" parts of my psyche. I discovered the Mammalian center of the brain to be responsible for many of the feelings which we call "patriotism," "self-sacrifice," "compassion," etc.--many of them are just expressions of the pack instinct. Your statement about much "Morality" being codes of etiquette is an extremely perceptive one. A.J. Ayer, a British philosopher, came to the same conclusion in his work _Language, Truth, and Logic._ He said that codes of morality were really aesthetic codes. This led me to reply that only an Oxford Englishman could say that skinning babies alive was immoral because it was aesthetically unpleasant...my professor was, luckily, amused. Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Servant Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 30 Sep 92 16:30:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq DB> A charming bunch of folks, I'm sure? Sir, what must you expect amongst us? We have been brought up in the culture of man/woman, not man/man. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Servant 30 Sep 92 18:47:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq Se> DB> A charming bunch of folks, I'm sure? Se> Sir, what must you expect amongst us? We have been brought up Se> in the culture of man/woman, not man/man. I guess that all depends on where YOU hang your hat, not mine! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: rakshasa 30 Sep 92 19:11:00 Subject: Re: Canton, Ohio Rec'd UpdReq ra> Has anybody in Canton, Ohio ever been to a bar called "Dar's ra> Tavern." I visited there once while I was in Canton--without a doubt ra> this is the sickest, kinkiest, most twisted place I have ever been in ra> my life. (Within fifteen minutes of arrival I had offers to go home ra> with a: two lesbians who wanted a man for a threesome; b: a 6'4" ra> transvestite named Candy; c: a leather queen, and d: several others ra> more difficult to describe). I recommend it highly!!! If I'm ever in the area (and I hope at some time in the not TOO distant future to visit Nemo), I'll HAVE to check it out! Sounds like BIG FUN! BTW, if you do come this way (as I believe you mentioned to Der -=Sinistar=-), you are welcome to stay with me. X&R -Deep Black 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 30 Sep 92 19:14:00 Subject: Re: Set questions UpdReq Bl> DB> Yes. And I agree with you (some stipulations). Bl> Stipulate away. I'm game. See my E-mail to you. Xeper 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 30 Sep 92 19:28:00 Subject: Re: Set questions UpdReq One of the differences I see between the LHP and RHP is that most RHP groups feel the need to "merge" with the "Godhead" (or whatever...) This has been discussed at some length. One of the biggest differences I see (magically), is that the LHP magicians recognize that sometimes "interfering" with another "against their Will" is necessary. Like a Working designed to harm or kill them magically, for instance. Most RHP magicians feel ANY Working that interferes with anothers Will is destined to boomerang (times three, or some similar arbitrary number). Almost like the Eastern Traditions concept of Karma. I feel most LHP magicians disregard this sort of thinking as unrealistic and unecessarily restrictive. The mundane world sure as hell does not act in this manner for the most part; why should it then extend to the magical world? But something _very_ important within the Temple of Set is ethics. It is stressed over and over in the _Crystal Tablet_. And as I said, whenever you wish to look over this tome (four or five hundred pages at least), simply let me know. We can meet at a place of your choosing and you may peruse it at your lesiure. There are certain portions that are excluded from non-Setian eyes and I may not leave it with you. But I would remove those before allowing you to peruse the _CT_. Xeper 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 30 Sep 92 19:36:00 Subject: Re: Set questions UpdReq Bl> you must remember, these were all Victorian gentlemen whose Bl> raciest document that they ever had was Sir Richard Burton's Bl> Tales of the Arabian Knights and---maybe---a few Chinese sex Bl> drawings. If they ever got a hold of an edition of Playboy Bl> they would faint! Good point. I think this is one of the reasons that Crowley freaked them out SO much. He was libertine by our standards of today. In the post Victorian era in which Crowley did most of his stuff, they were still covering the curves of piano legs with drapes (too sugestive) not to mention the ugly swim suits women wore in those days lest they cause a stir by showing their (*GASP*) ANKLE! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: rakshasa 30 Sep 92 19:42:00 Subject: Re: Set questions Rec'd UpdReq ra> (BTW, I don't think the Freudian terminology very ra> satisfactory--I use it because it's generally accepted and I can get ra> a point across quickly and clearly. For more careful and exact study ra> of the psyche I find Freud's work to be that of a sexually obsessed ra> neurotic 19th century philosopher...) Not to mention that he was dealing with people in a Victorian, incredibly sexually repressed society. With that in mind, what sorts of things would be expected to surface during "free association". These dark, prisoned aspects that were constantly lurking below the surface...waiting for release. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: The Sorcerer (Sysop) 30 Sep 92 19:45:00 Subject: Re: Base of Set? UpdReq TS> What is the address for the Temple of Set? Sorry, I screwed up that last message...... The address is: Temple of Set PO 470307 San Francisco, Ca. 94147 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: The Sorcerer (Sysop) 30 Sep 92 19:47:00 Subject: Re: Bob Larson & Zeena UpdReq TS> I'm familiar with that tape .. never seen it but I listen to Bob TS> Larson TS> religiously.. heheh.. anyone know where I can get a FREE copy of it? I too listen to Larsen sometimes. Big yucks. Isn't his voice incredibly annoying? I like the sound of fingernails on a chalk board better. You should hear some of the tapes where he interviews members of the Priesthood and Magistery! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: The Sorcerer (Sysop) 30 Sep 92 19:50:00 Subject: Re: Base of Set? UpdReq TS> R> TS) Last I heard, CoS Membership went up to $150.00 TS> R> There's one born every minute... TS> Are you saying that the $150 is too much to pay to join? If he's not, I am! You get a piece of paper for your wallet and a newsletter....not a very good value in my opinion. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: The Sorcerer (Sysop) 30 Sep 92 20:09:00 Subject: Re: Base of Set? UpdReq TS> How much does it cost to join the Temple of Set? 55$ And with this comes a giant tome, the _Crystal Tablet_, one year of the _Scroll of Set_ (our international newsletter in which any Setian of any Degree may submit publications), the opportunity to correspond with any other Setians you wish (correspondence with a member of the Priesthood is an absolute requirement to gain one's Second Degree Recognition), a very nice card (similar to a black credit card with diffraction grating lettering and hieroglyphics) indicating membership and level of Recognition, your First Degree medallion (fired enamel cloisonne') and most importantly the opportunity to begin a lifetime of Xeper! I do want to mention that, unlike the Church of Satan, one may or may not be accepted. You must write a letter explaining exactly why you wish to join the Temple of Set, what you expect to gain from you association with the Temple of Set, etc. All this is explained in the _General Information and Policy_ file: available for download from Purgatory and many other BBSs or by writing the Temple of Set and requesting it. I also doubt that the Church of Satan will be around very much longer as it is embrolied in litigation at the moment. These files explaining the particulars are available for download from Purgatory (and others) as well. ps. the heiroglyphics on the card are very interesting. Soon after joining, I took on the task of learning some basics of the ancient Egyptian language in order to translate them. That in itself led to some _very_ interesting experiences.................. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: The Cultist 30 Sep 92 20:14:00 Subject: Re: Base of Set? UpdReq TC> DB> amounts to three manilla files, each about two inches thick TC> (including Glinda correspondence and _Scrolls_). TC> How do you get involved in this correspondence? I'd be interested. Just wanted to say that this is, for the most part, only my correspondence on a one-to-one basis with everyone from the High Priest (Ipsissimus Aquino) to First Degree Setains and everyone in between. The Temple of Set is an incredibly interactive organization (if you wish it). 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Charles Nemo 30 Sep 92 20:17:00 Subject: Re: Canton, Ohio UpdReq CN> I'm not the Sysop of BaphoNet, but IMHO it and Mumbo Jumbo Kathedral CN> (New Orleans) are among the finest metaphysical BBSs in Amerika! Well, I must admit to being somewhat biased, but..... Purgatory should be mentioned as well. It ranks up there with the best! 918-835-2429! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Rakshasa 30 Sep 92 20:20:00 Subject: Re: Zeena LaVey Rec'd UpdReq Ra> (I've got an interest in Serial Killings from a purely academic Ra> standpoint...heheheheh...and no, I don't know what happened to those Ra> Jehovah's Witnesses who knocked on my door) Well, I DO! Parts is parts! Finger lickin' good! (just kidding, just kidding... }:D ) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 30 Sep 92 20:23:00 Subject: Re: Set questions UpdReq Bl> When I was defining goodness I did so using as the example to Bl> define the meaning the Law of Moses' ban on eating pork. The Bl> reason was you couldn't keep it long in the warm Judean Bl> climate Bl> without it spoiling and giving you tomane poisoning. Tatoos Trichinosis, actually. Many of the Mosiac Laws made very good sense, at the time. Others were simply bullshit (such as not touching a menstrusting woman, etc.) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Blaise 30 Sep 92 20:30:00 Subject: Re: Set questions UpdReq Bl> In the above statements I see a Persona of heroism. This Bl> sounds Bl> like the German Uberman. (I have always strangely been drawn to that Bl> era Bl> of German idealization known as the Third Reich, I don't know why). As have I! The Temple of Set has certain Orders (much like departments in a university) that have done extensive research into the Ahnenerbe SS: the occult oriented branch of the SS. Check out the Order statement information on the Order of the Trapezoid and Category #14: _Fascism, Totalitarianism and Magic_ of the reading lists of the Temple of Set. They are on Purgatory. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 30 Sep 92 21:16:00 Subject: Re: Canton, Ohio UpdReq Dear D.B. Thanks for the invite, dude! I'm planning to travel around the country at some time in the near future and Tulsa is definitely a place I want to check out! If I do go through I'll be coming via Greyhound (I'm a non-driving person; my attention span is too short and my creative visualization abilities too intense--I had three major accidents within two years of driving and then decided to hang the keys up) and travelling up into California. (Bus travel is an interesting way to see the country--and to meet some real characters. I highly recommend it). I had the pleasure of /chatting with Charles Nemo while on BaphoNet. He's a great guy and I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun with him. Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Servant 30 Sep 92 21:36:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq Se) We have been brought up in the culture of man/woman, not man/man. If you had been brought up in the culture which believed black people were property to be bought, sold, whipped, branded, raped, and generally abused, would you use as your excuse, "It's always been this way" or "this is the culture I was brought up in." The truly heroic person tries to rise above his/her culture and correct the evils within it. In all other ways, Jeff, you seem willing to endure the abuse of the crowd to do what is morally right. (It's one of the things I like about you). Why is it so hard to stand up to these people and say "Homophobia is wrong?" I will grant you that homosexuality is, according to commonly accepted Christian teachings, immoral; doesn't Christ want us to hate sin and to love the sinner? These people who promote fag-bashing are not doing so because the Bible says gay people are perverts--they're doing so because of their own fear and ignorance. The fact that "everybody says it's correct" doesn't necessarily mean that it is. The slavery example is one I would point out; the great success of Adolf Hitler in the German elections and the popularity of Khomeni in Iran would be two others. Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 30 Sep 92 21:43:00 Subject: Re: Set questions UpdReq DB) Almost like the Eastern Traditions concept of Karma. Well....not quite. The Eastern concept of Karma as I understand it is more a cause-and-effect sort of thing. For example; if I drink a lot, I will become a drunkard. If I habitually practice cruelty, then I will become a cruel (hence unlovable and unloved) person. The idea of some God or Gods rewarding good deeds or punishing bad ones is an interpretation by the Western popularizers of Hinduism (people like the Theosophists). It has its roots in Christian thought and the idea that "God rewards kind people and punishes evildoers." (An idea which the Puritans and Victorian Christians believed wholeheartedly--but one which doesn't always seem to work in real life). The "Threefold Law" and suchlike, in my opinion, are folderol and better for being ignored. I asked a Wiccan (on Magicknet) where in Germanic/Saxon/European "pagan" tradition she found any evidence of the Threefold Law, the Great Rite, or the words "An It Harme None, Do What You Will." She hasn't responded yet... I think the Eastern concept of Karma is a useful idea, and difficult to deny. In my opinion the Western conception is a distorted attempt to put nailprints in Buddha's hands. Xeper and Remanfiest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 30 Sep 92 21:45:00 Subject: Re: Bob Larson & Zeena UpdReq Which members of the Priesthood and Magistry does he interview??? (Post it on Setian discussions if you want to keep names private). I can think of a few Priests and Magisters who would take his Amen-singing ass on a wild ride and leave him looking every bit as stupid, confused, and uneducated as he deserves to look... Not that it would make any difference, however (sigh) There's one born every minute... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 30 Sep 92 21:47:00 Subject: Re: Canton, Ohio UpdReq One more vote from Purgatory here!!! These guys are the nicest devil-worshippers I ever met! Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 30 Sep 92 21:48:00 Subject: Re: Zeena LaVey UpdReq On a related thread I just sold a short story to the Jehovah's Witness Literary Magazine... They only pay in copies but they deliver them to your door ;) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Sinistar Area: Base of Set To: Tony Iannotti 30 Sep 92 22:11:00 Subject: Re: Hello? Rec'd UpdReq TI> Yep, that musta been it. I hope it's fixed now. I seem to have polled TI> you twice a night last night and the night before. (before and after TI> NMH) Went from not polling, to double polling huh?... :-) -=Sinistar=- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Grendel Area: Base of Set To: rakshasa 28 Sep 92 22:40:00 Subject: Set questions Rec'd UpdReq > The goal of the left-hand path is the development of the psyche > or self (which I tried to define earlier) to its highest level. We (or > many of us on the path--the LHP is potentially as diverse as the RHP > which I showed above) believe that the soul can potentially outlast even > death, should it be developed enough. The teachings of the ancient > Norse/Germanic tribes, which reserved "Walhalla" for heroes or those who > had sought after greatness, are close to our LHP beliefs. That's funny (the above) since I've been told that because I am Asatru, I am RHP. Those kind of contradict. You can't use someone's mythology and structure as an example of early LHP type religions and then tell a modern practioner that they are RHP. Not that you are doing it, mind you, but it has been done. Also, I don't know any neo-pagans seeking union with "Mother Earth." Where have you met them? I think the LHP vs. RHP mindset is, itself, unrealistic and a joke. Wassail, Grendel 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Oz Tech Area: Base of Set To: Tony Iannotti 1 Oct 92 00:52:00 Subject: Re: Hello? Rec'd UpdReq Howdy, Tony. Max of ALamut says he has not been able to get a good phone connect to Baphonet for some weeks now, and thus ALamut is not getting BASE OF SET... Oz 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Grendel 1 Oct 92 02:21:00 Subject: Re: Set questions UpdReq Gr) That's funny, because I have been told that, because I am Astaru, I Gr) am RHP... Not by me you haven't. Gr) You can't use somebody's religion as an example of early LHP Gr) religion and then call the modern-day practitioners RHP See above. Also--what makes you think that today's modern-day "pagans" have anything in common with the early Germanic religions (I'm not saying anything about Astaru--because I don't know anything about it)? Today's "Wiccans" and "Neopagans" are practicing a religion which, despite the medieval trappings, is basically about 50 years old. This isn't intended as a criticism at all--I don't think tradition makes religions legitimate any more than it made slavery legitimate. I'm merely saying that the religion the Norse practiced was probably considerably different than that which many modern day magicians cliam to practice. (Even people like Astaru--as a Setian I don't even _try_ to pretend that my religious practices resemble those of the Egyptian Old Kingdom--times change and religions change with it. Using parts of an old tradition does not necessarily mean that you are the Same in All Ways as that tradition. When's the last time you heard about a modern Druid performing a human sacrifice...when not watching Geraldo, that is? Gr) Personally, I think this LHP/RHP debate is a joke... If you mean in terms of interpath bickering, I agree. If you mean in terms of trying to explain what I perceive as the differences between the two paths, I disagree. To attempt to show why I am a Setian and to explain the differences between the two paths is not necessarily to be construed as criticism. It's just an attempt to clarify what I actually believe. I use the LHP/RHP analogy to try to show why I'm not a xian or a white-lighter. To be honest, I don't know enough about Astaru or the Runic/Germanic tradition to say whether or not it's LHP/RHP. The definition is good for quick explanations (much as the Freudian terms of ego-superego-id are good for quick explanations). When you start trying to get more skilled and technical, better (or more exact) terminology is needed. Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa (aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I*) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Grendel 1 Oct 92 02:28:00 Subject: Re: Set questions (part 2) UpdReq (Sorry...these quotes are inexact because Purgatory doesn't have quote capabilities...at least not any that I've figured out) Pagans seeking union with Mother Earth? I've met many a pagan who talked about "being one with nature" and "getting in touch with the earth (i.e. realizing I'm a part of it)." I would call that terminology RHP because it seeks a dissolution of the individual (non-natural) psyche in the collective (nature/the earth). As I said in my previous posting--I don't use the RHP/LHP mindset. It's useful to show the differences between my religion and others--not so useful when it comes to actually dealing with these people. In practice most people seek to better and exalt the self--they may not preach LHP but they live it, which is all in all more important. Since in my opinion this is an Aeon which exalts the self, I think the religious beliefs which become strong this aeon will also exalt the self (i.e. be what I called LHP). Hope this is of some aid to you. Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: Base of Set To: The Sinistar 1 Oct 92 09:40:54 Subject: Re: Hello? Sent UpdReq Yep, that way things fomr you get into pods same night, and things from them get to you same night too. I do the same with them, and at 14,400, it's not too outrageously expensive. 93, X&R! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Tony Iannotti Area: Base of Set To: Oz Tech 1 Oct 92 09:43:16 Subject: Re: Hello? Sent UpdReq OT> Howdy, Tony. Max of ALamut says he has not been able to OT> get a good phone connect to Baphonet for some weeks OT> now, and thus ALamut is not getting BASE OF SET... Hell. Does he say what the problem is? Do you know if he is polling at the new (as of May) number? I'll netmail him about it, but he should have let me know in one of the sysop echos we share through other boards, especially if it's been going on for so long. Thanks for letting me know! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718