From: Jonathon Blake Area: Base of Set To: Ishmar Vanholden 22 Aug 92 08:22:32 Subject: Goons UpdReq quoting FRATER ALMOST To: ISHMAR VANHOLDEN ___------------------------------------------------------------------------ FA}>You sound like a person with very little faith...... Poor sap! actually, he has no faith at all he only believes on what he has experienced? can you say the same thing? * SLMR 2.1a * Company of Heaven exposed: Film at eleven 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Mystic Area: Base of Set To: Rakshasa 30 Aug 92 02:03:16 Subject: Re: Is this the SET Echo? UpdReq Thanks RAKSHASA, But you did it again..... What on earth XEPER & Reaminifest....? -> assistance do not hesitate to contact me. Xeper and Remanifest! -> Rakshasa (aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I*) And admittantly....my Latan is a bit weak... -> --- QuickBBS 2.75 -> * Origin: Purgatory : In Nomine Dei Satanas Luciferi Excelsi! (1:170 But this brings up another topic I've noticed. It seems...and this may sound like a sterotype....that many (if not most) folks (from this culture..U.S./Western/Christian ) who are into "non-tradtional", particularly "Occult" faiths have come from a Catholic background...ie the ease of relating/using Latin. Except for parocial schools, and even fewer of these in the last 20 years...most public schools do not teach Latin. (Humorous side story)... My very Irish and very Caatholic brother once wrote and produced a real cheap B-grade horror movie in the early seventies called "Asylum of Satan"...he knows nothing (other than what he had seen as a kid) of the Left-handed...ocuult etc. paths. Anyway.... drawing from his Catholic background he wrote this really tripe "black mass" and had all the hooded dudes chanting a bunch of Latan crap with the end of each stanza "satan!".. like "E pluibus unum, dominiee domechee, alagoree... SATAN!" ... anyway... what's the deal with the Latin? I guess I'll also ask this because of the super -strong anti-Christian emphasis. If you don't mind the challenge, I've often wondered if many western occult groups would even be around if not for the ANTI- Christian stuff? Reminds me a lot of the southern holiness Christians who spend most of their time bitch'in about the Devil, and sinners and corruption...ect. Without the negative....they would have nothing to do. No focus, no "goals". I'm not anti-Catholic, but I am anti religious addiction. It is (along with recovery from Drug, Sex etc. addiction) areas of professional study for me. It seems a prime component of any Toxic Religious System includes a fare share of hatred. Please don't feel a need to tell me the evils of the Christians...I already know. Moslems know this as well. I also know there are many fu****d-up people are as a result of their religious upbringing. Between the archaic Latin usage...and the anti-Christian retoric, and the number of current pagans who were raised Catholic and Fundy... well I wonder if there is a place of balance permitted or encouraged in SET and other "Occult" faiths? Oh yes... -> preferred. Suppose, however, that you were hiding Jews from the Nazi -> during World War II. You have a Jewish family in your attic. A Nazi -> Kommandant asks you, "Are you hiding any Jews?" A Setian (at least, t -> Setian) would say that, in that case, telling him "no" was ethical, d -> the fact that you are "lying." We (I?) would consider truthfulness in -> instance a sign not of a highly ethical person but of an idiot. Ever heard of Corrie Ten Boom... she and her family did that (hid Jews) out of a "Christian" sense of responsibility and hatred for the injustice. Only she survived the prison camps all the rest of her family died at the hands of the Nazies. (they were not Setains...but they said Nope..no Jews here...) There's a good flick if your into the challenge called "The Hiding Place" it can be rented at Blockbuster. I'm not promoting a particular path here...just...offering the hope of understanding. Hitler was heavy into occult stuff. But he was insane. His religious inquires/views and attemps for power should not sterotype all who study the occult paths/faiths. Anyway....(I may be wearing my pink glasses) but I'd like to think there are more Corrie Ten Boom type Christians then there are the other....of course I won't be in any church building tommarrow or probobly next Sunday for that matter . See ya... mk 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Mystic Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 30 Aug 92 02:12:22 Subject: Re: Is this the SET Echo? UpdReq -> Lying, lack of honor, hurting (without good reason) are grounds for -> expulsion. Ethics are central to our paradigm! -> -> A statement was made by a VI* that "love reaches a level of intensity -> the Temple of Set almost unknown by humankind"...(paraphrasing here f -> memory...) -> -> I agree. I am certain that you would find us to be a congenial and v -> likeable group of people. At least, that has been my experience. Thanks D.B....sounds like you' all have a good thing going. I'm always amazed at how folks can get togather once they stop all the "super-ego" bulls**t. I hope that a day wil come when you guys will not have to deal with such sterotypes... I Bid you'll peace... BTW- Do you have regular days/nights of temple or corporate "worship"? SEE ya... mk 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Rex Irae 29 Aug 92 07:44:00 Subject: Re: caring less UpdReq RI> DB> You need only Set as your "Holy Gaurdian Angel, ah la Crowley. RI> DB> Or the "higher power of your own understanding" RI> Well, accepting Set as my 'higher power' is little more than veiled RI> deism, is it not? I suppose it could seem that way, depending on whose eyes are being looked through. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Jeff Mccord Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 29 Aug 92 08:39:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq DB> If he isn't, I am. DB> DB> Many, many animals have same gender sex. DB> Do you dispute that? ALL ANIMALS do not have SOULS - can you dispute that? Humans are the only "animal" that has a soul. Since when did people look at animal standards? Animals eat other animals poop... do you? I will admitt, how shocked I am/was to see a lot of people openly admitt they are gay or are for the homosexual... different... most societies shun the thought. Why is it so favored in here? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Jeff Mccord 29 Aug 92 10:06:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq JM> DB> Many, many animals have same gender sex. JM> DB> Do you dispute that? JM> ALL ANIMALS do not have SOULS - can you dispute that? I was merely pointing out that is is INDEED endemic in nature. The original post seemed to imply strongly that it is unknown among animals. The question about souls ranks with the "how many angels can you fit on the head of a pin?" One is demonstrable; the other is not! JM> Humans are the only "animal" that has a soul. Since when did JM> people JM> look at animal standards? Well, you mentioned it first! JM> Animals eat other animals poop... do you? No. do you? :D JM> I will admit, how shocked I am/was to see a lot of people openly say JM> they are gay or are for the homosexual... different... most JM> societies shun the thought. Why is it so favored here? I don't think "favored" is the right word. Acceptance, perhaps. A willingness to allow others to "Do What Thou Wilt". As I said in an earlier message, the difference between us and Christians is that we don't have the attitude that "if you don't believe as us, bad will follow you all the days of your life." I'm not gay, but I have several gay friends. Their choice of sexual orientation makes about as much difference to me as what kinds of foods they like. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Servant Area: Base of Set To: Mystic 29 Aug 92 11:55:00 Subject: Re: Mike Warnke Exposed UpdReq My> and documented, I fear most Christians will ignore/diminish this My> article. I pray those in the Pagan Community, who want to see liars I have read the article, and I am a Christian also... I do admitt, it is very sad... I never actually knew about him that well though... Thanks for the info. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Servant Area: Base of Set To: rakshasa 29 Aug 92 12:06:00 Subject: Re: Is this the SET Echo? UpdReq ra> truth-telling is to be preferred. Suppose, however, that you were ra> hiding Jews from the Nazis during World War II. You have a Jewish ra> family in your attic. A Nazi Kommandant asks you, "Are you hiding ra> any Jews?" A Setian (at least, this Setian) would say that, in that ra> case, telling him "no" was ethical, despite the fact that you are ra> "lying." We (I?) would consider truthfulness in this instance a sign ra> not of a highly ethical person but of an idiot. (Excuse me of my new alias) Of course, hopefully, anyone would say no to that! The NAzi's were idiots - they were demon possessed for all I care... and the funny thing is they "claim" to be doing God's work! DUH! I wonder where Hitler is right now??? =) - Anyways, as a Christian, I would say "No!" also... I think God would perfectly understand the situation... yeah, you could take this message into some big argument about what is a lie and what isn't, but for the sake of everyone's eyes, lets not, ok? Do you think that would be lying, as a Christian? I do not. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Servant Area: Base of Set To: Rakshasa 29 Aug 92 12:09:00 Subject: Re: Is this the SET Echo? UpdReq BTW, I forgot to tell you who I am... This is Jeff McCord, your favorite Christian! hehehehe =) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Rex Irae 29 Aug 92 15:44:00 Subject: Re: caring less UpdReq RI> Well, accepting Set as my higher power is little more than veiled deism, is it not? Not really. "Deists" believed that a Higher Power had created the Universe, then withdrew from circulation and let things go as they would (at least that's my understanding of Deism...feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). The analogy "higher power of one's understanding" can best be understood not in theological terms but in the terms of Freudian psychology (which I have some problems with, but we'll skip that for the sake of this argument). Basically a person who saw Set as this "H.P.O.O.U." would see him as a personification of the Superego. I think that many encounters with Set are actually encounters with the Superego, but am not yet sure if Set is a symbol or a reality (the jury is still out on that one). 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Jeff Mccord 29 Aug 92 15:52:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq JM> Most societies shun the thought (of homosexuality)...why is it so accepted in here? Jeff, most societies do _not_ shun homosexuality with the kind of ignorant virulence so often found in American culture. Read a few good anthropology textbooks...I think it will be an enlightening experience for you. JM> ANIMALS do not have SOULS How do you know?? The people within this base tend to be tolerant of homosexuality because they are intelligent and open-minded; they don't like hating people for their race, color, or sexual orientation. As I have said before, you seem to be an open-minded Christian, or at least one who is trying to get beyond the mental limitations imposed by your rigid creed. Why, I might ask, do you feel so strongly about homosexuality? After all, "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God," have they not? In terms of sins, I would think God would be less shocked by homosexuality than he would be by many others sins...like fag-bashing or failing to love one's neighbor. And by the way...I am openly bisexual. This, I think, is why I appreciate your attempt to "love your neighbor," even your gay neighbors. I may not agree with what you say, but I thank you for your attempt at compassion in saying it. Xeper and Remanifest, Rakshasa (aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I*) P.S. Thank you for uploading the Warnecke files to the mystic bbs--which I have just joined. I am glad to see you doing your part to counter this ridiculous anti-Satanic hysteria which has gripped our country and showing that Christians can care about the truth too. (Were you the person who downloaded them here? I thought you might be but I wasn't sure). 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Deep Black 29 Aug 92 15:53:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq Dear Deep Black: Hope your friends don't eat animal poop! :) p.s. see my response to Jeff on the same topic... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: Servant 29 Aug 92 19:26:00 Subject: Re: Mike Warnke Exposed UpdReq Se> I have read the article, and I am a Christian also... I do admitt, Se> it is very sad... I never actually knew about him that well though... Se> Thanks Se> for the info. Well, for many of us in the occult community, this guy has been held up as _the_ paragon of someone who has "been through it".......... I have had Warnke quoted to me so many times by mostly (some not so) well meaning Christians, I couldnt begin to count. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: rakshasa 29 Aug 92 19:29:00 Subject: Re: caring less UpdReq ra> The analogy "higher power of one's understanding" can best be ra> understood not in theological terms but in the terms of Freudian ra> psychology (which I have some problems with, but we'll skip that for ra> the sake of this argument). Jung could well be applied here as well. Set as an archetype? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Deep Black Area: Base of Set To: rakshasa 29 Aug 92 19:33:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq ra> (Were you the person who downloaded them here? I thought you might ra> be but I wasn't sure). No, the -=Sinistar=- and I called his board and D/L'ed them Friday afternoon as soon as we read the message on this BoS echo. They were then ported over to our file section manually since we did the D/L at work....(we work together, BTW). 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Servant Area: Base of Set To: rakshasa 29 Aug 92 22:42:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq ra> Jeff, most societies do _not_ shun homosexuality with the I was talking about America... ask any society, especially youth, and they shun gays. Why is that? ra> And by the way...I am openly bisexual. This, I think, is why ra> I appreciate your attempt to "love your neighbor," even your gay ra> neighbors. I may not agree with what you say, but I thank you for ra> your attempt at compassion in saying it. Well, you are welcome... I guess I am not so much as (right now) showing homosexuals that they are wrong, I am just wondering why someone would choose that road? Bisexuals are very common, I have read and heard... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Servant Area: Base of Set To: rakshasa 29 Aug 92 22:43:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq ra> P.S. Thank you for uploading the Warnecke files to the mystic ra> bbs--which I have just joined. I am glad to see you doing your part ra> to counter this ridiculous anti-Satanic hysteria which has gripped ra> our country and showing that Christians can care about the truth too. ra> (Were you the person who downloaded them here? I thought you might No, I was not the person, sorry. I did, however, read the article... kinda sad, isn't it? Jeff Servant 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Astral Invader Area: Base of Set To: Frater Almost 30 Aug 92 17:18:00 Subject: Re: L.H.P. Music Rec'd UpdReq FA> Now Ministry is really Thelemic as is Pearl Jam and Soundgarden and FA> temple of the Dog and Nirvanna, etc. Hell, for that matter so is FA> REM and Faith No More and Peter Murphy and Ned's Atomic Dustbin and There are a great many 'Grind Core' (Or Deathmetal) bands that are now revealing their Left Hand Path ideals, while churning out some fantastically frenzied music at the same time....Deicide, Dark Throne, Morbid Angel, etc....There's more to these bands than blood and violence (Which on it's own makes good lyrical subjects anyway }:) ).... /Astral/ 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Astral Invader Area: Base of Set To: Servant 30 Aug 92 17:30:00 Subject: Re: Is this the SET Echo? UpdReq Se> perfectly understand the situation... yeah, you could take this Se> message Se> into some big argument about what is a lie and what isn't, but for Se> the Se> sake of everyone's eyes, lets not, ok? Do you think that would be Se> lying, Se> as a Christian? I do not. Ethics have and always will be a very personal decision, and there is no definite mechanism or guide that should dictate those decisions....Virtuous behavour relies on too many variables to be acted upon by answer 'A', 'B' or 'C'.... /Astral/ 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: rakshasa Area: Base of Set To: Servant 30 Aug 92 18:58:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq Se> ask any society, especially youth, and they shun gays...why is that? Well...among youth a good deal of it has to do with the fact that people are learning about their sexuality for the first time...sex is a very powerful force which can be very frightening. In our society, same-sex attraction is looked down upon. When many of these youth you speak of find themselves dealing with homosexual feelings, they choose to fight it...often by fighting homosexuals. If you look at most fag-bashers, you'll find that they are closet homosexuals themselves; they merely externalize their self-hatred and beat up people they perceive as "queers" or "lezzies." Se> many people seem to be bisexual...why is that? IMHO, every person is born bisexual...they are conditioned against accepting this part of their life by society. Bisexuals, I think, are merely people who accept the fact that they can love members of their own sex in the same way they love members of the opposite sex. I don't think they're abnormal--to me, it's abnormal to shut yourself off from loving half of mankind. Xeper and Remanifest Rakshasa aka Setian Kevin T. Filan I* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Base of Set To: Servant 31 Aug 92 19:29:00 Subject: Re: Is this the SET Echo? Sent UpdReq S> BTW, I forgot to tell you who I am... S> This is Jeff McCord, your favorite Christian! hehehehe =) Jeff, it seems to me you're still doing your fundie schtick. I thought you were gonna cut that shit out? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718