From: Pale Rider Area: Base of Set To: Frc 3 Aug 92 12:25:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq Fr> Exactly WHAT is your point, Pale? I could ask you if you have ever My point is that Jesus was never unclean till the moment on the cross that the sins of the world were put upon him. Up until that time, he was totally pure. The Old Testament parts describing being unclean goes to show the reason that Jesus didn't have sex.... Because Jesus was fully clean...... Fr> PR> As far as "free will crap", what would be the purpose of Fr> creating Fr> PR> robots? Fr> Fr> I will add that so far you have totally avoided Nemo's question. Fr> You are answering a question with a question. However, this is a very logical question, that should be be answered, especially since he was already getting on the "free will crap" that he didn't want to hear about, cause this is what he knew I'd say...... TTYL.... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Pale Rider Area: Base of Set To: Charles Nemo 3 Aug 92 12:38:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels Rec'd UpdReq CN> I don't think that sex is either unclean OR sinful. Nor do I think CN> that there is anything unclean or sinful about a woman's period. But, the Bible says different. And what we are talking about is not what everyone believes, but what the Bible says, since we were talking about Jesus Christ and the idea of him having sex...... CN> But why create beings that are so flawed that they are virtually CN> helpless to avoid sinning by torturing themselves, each other and the CN> Earth in general? Why create nasty animals whose primary focus is to CN> brutalize other beings, e.g, humans, tigers, poisonous snakes, etc.? But, it makes no sense at all to have a perfect world. God wanted a creation that had the option to serve Him or not. If He wanted something to automatically serve Him, He could have created more angels or something..... And as far as the state that the earth is in, you can't go blaming it all on God. Let me ask you this, is it us humans or God that has been destroying the ozone layer that God created as a protection from the sun's harmful rays? Was it man or God that has been polluting the environment like throwing toxic waste into the rivers, which God created to help give humans, animals, and plants a life substaining substance? Was it (a) man or God that set all the oil wells on fire to destroy the environment during Desert Storm? Was it man or God that created weapons like the nuclear bomb for mass destruction? If most all men OBEYED (by choice) the laws sets down by God, we would be living in a Paradise. However, it has been mans choice not to obey the laws of God, and that is the reason that we are living in a hell on earth, which is but a brief glimpse of the hell that those, who do not accept Christ, will experience...... CN> I never suggested anything about a god having sex with its creation. CN> As far as sex between humans, anything between mutually consenting CN> people is okay. But, Jesus Christ is God. Even doubting Thomas said that in one of the gospels...... Even John 1:1 says that Jesus (the Word) is God. Weren't we orginally talking about some gnostic text or something claiming tht Jesus had sex? This is the reason that I am saying that God never had sex, thus Jesus didn't. But, it was good hearing from you.... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Pale Rider Area: Base of Set To: Frater Almost 3 Aug 92 12:41:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels Rec'd UpdReq FA> Also, a good pllace to start looking into Gnosticism from a FA> relatively cheap source might be the actual copy of the Nag Hamadhi FA> manuscripts. Beyond the various Gnostic sects, I don't know too much. The complete Nag Hamadhi Library is what I've been trying to get my hands on. But, the used bookstores haven't gotten a copy in yet. But, I do have several of the gnostic texts now..... FA> I am not the guy to talk to about various Gnostic practices beyond FA> the O.T.O 's Gnostic Mass. < killing babies or animals.... Just a nice little ritual mass.>> At FA> any rate, I am not too up on what's what and who's who in Gnosticism. FA> I'll look around for you. :) Pax. 93 I'll have to see, if anyone in the Tulsa area is still apart of the OTO lodge in our area.......... Thanks so much for your input...... I really appreciate it..... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Phule Area: Base of Set To: Pale Rider 4 Aug 92 09:08:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq If every body obeyed all the things set down in the bible, life would be nowhere near as exciting as Twix! Fnord! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Frc Area: Base of Set To: Grendel 5 Aug 92 10:33:00 Subject: ?? UpdReq I saw your post regarding a lot of ill will between certain factions of the Runes/Asatru folk and the Temple of Set. Why is this? I'd like to know as much as I can about this issue because I find BOTH of them quite attractive. I have just began the study of the Northern Mysteries, and seeing as how this is so central to certain subgroupings within the Temple, I was quite surprised. Thanks........... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Pale Rider Area: Base of Set To: Jonathon Blake 5 Aug 92 15:33:00 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels UpdReq JB> now lates take this to a more appropriate forum like JB> Abrasax: << & i will post any future replys there, not JB> here >> Purgatory BBS does not have the Abrasax echo. As far as the rest of your message. Here is the deal, you as well as others claim that you know what the Bible is saying, yet you clearly contradict what the Bible says. Now, if you were just quoting verses out of the Bible, even though you are not a Christian, that would be a different story. But, when you are not a Christian, and try to actually interpret what the Bible says, it just doesn't jive. That would be like me going past quoting Occultic, Satanic, and Masonic texts, and trying to say, "This is what this passage REALLY MEANS...." even though it disagrees with what the Occultists, Satanists, or Masons interpret this passage, that they should know more about than I. Quoting passages from another religion's texts, are one thing. But when you go trying to interpret someone else's religion's texts, that is something totally different...... _ _ _ bless............. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gwenny the Pooh Area: Base of Set To: Frc 2 Aug 92 21:48:00 Subject: Yukio Mishima UpdReq In a message to Gwenny the Pooh <07-29-92 12:39> Frc wrote: Fr> Gt> Vi> ... Yukio Mishima died for your sins. Fr> Fr> Last week I wouldn't have known who he was. This week I do. Interesting man, no? I learned alot helping Dr. Smith with his PhD research..... Gwenny 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gwenny the Pooh Area: Base of Set To: Beernut 2 Aug 92 21:54:00 Subject: Frc UpdReq In a message to Phule <07-29-92 16:04> Beernut wrote: Be> Let us start out by teaching you how to spell. Its supposed to Be> be"fool". Second of all where I come from a POEE POPE is a Klan Be> grand-wizard. Thirdly you Klan/Cult/Pagan (there all the same) Be> sexually defunct losers can take your delusions of grandieur to HELL Be> with you. Question? Does Jehovah know you claim to be working for him? You need to be careful, he am one NASTY bastard....and the Klan claims to work for him , too....thou mayest be taking the name of his chosen in vain....giggle, giggle... In the words of my eleven-year-old, "throw another christian on the barbe for me, would you, Mom".... Gwenny the Pagan 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gwenny the Pooh Area: Base of Set To: Vitriol 2 Aug 92 22:11:00 Subject: Yukio Mishima UpdReq In a message to Gwenny the Pooh <07-31-92 23:48> Vitriol wrote: Vi> "By their fruits shall ye know them..." One of my favorite biblical type quotes....followed by "For all people will walk everyone in the name of his god..." Vi> " In other words, an *ssh*le is Vi> an *ssh*le, whether he's got a bible or Das Kapital or The Bill of Vi> Rights in his hand. Yep.... Vi> Seen the movie? It's roughly based on the play which toured about 10 Vi> years ago, which was excellent. The film's not bad, Produced by Hadn't even heard of it...what is it's title? Please indulge a new baby pagan....what the heck is 93....69 I understand Gwenny 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Base of Set To: Pale Rider 6 Aug 92 21:16:54 Subject: Re: Gnostic gospels Sent UpdReq Oh, I just HATE to get drawn into these long, pointless discussions, but here goes.... CN> I don't think that sex is either unclean OR CN> sinful. Nor do I think CN> that there is anything unclean or sinful CN> about a woman's period. PR> But, the Bible says different. And what we are PR> talking about is not PR> what everyone believes, but what the Bible says, PR> since we were talking PR> about Jesus Christ and the idea of him having sex...... No, you were talking about what you were saying the bible says, and I say -- STOP bootstrapping your whole life on a book of dubious authority and validity. It's just an excuse for you NOT to think for yourself!!! PR> But, it makes no sense at all to have a perfect world. God wanted PR> a creation that had the option to serve Him or not. If He wanted What kind of loving being would want to be worshipped??? Isn't the need to be worshipped a kind of sickness? And what are the alternatives -- worship that being "freely" or suffer the damnation of "Hell"? Some freedom! I admit that destruction of the ozone layer, nuclear bombs, burning Middle Eastern oil wells, etc. have all been human creations. But WHAT KIND of loving being would even bother to create an organism with the POTENTIAL for such abominations? Why not just create an organism able to live happily??? PR> If most all men OBEYED (by choice) the laws sets down by God, we PR> would be living in a Paradise. However, it has been mans choice not PR> to obey the laws of God, and that is the reason that we are living PR> in a hell on earth, which is but a brief glimpse of the hell that PR> those, who do not accept Christ, will experience...... Oh, BULLSHIT!!! What proof is there of your assertion? Xtianity's attempts to create a biblical world of perfection have ALL been mired in murder and theft just like the bible itself is!!! Quit talking about "most all men" obeying those laws. Why doesn't even a TINY MINORITY of xtians set a good example for the rest of us? Amerika, arguably the most xtian nation on Earth, is also in fact the most violent, whether it be in the destruction of Native peoples everywhere, creation of weapons of mass destruction, or pollution on an unprecedented scale. So-called "western civilization" with xtianity as the ultimate, obvious flower of its evil, is indeed turning out to be more of a curse than an blessing to the Earth as a whole. I now can see why eminent New Agers have xtianity's destruction high up on their priority list.... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718