From: Frc Area: Base of Set To: Pale Rider 1 Jul 92 11:47:00 Subject: Re: Zorastrian UpdReq PR> Plus, the main library is like in downtown Tulsa. I hate driving down PR> there. It usually takes a few weeks to get a book in, if you request What seems to be the problem? I'm down there about twice a week. And all my branch transfers take around four days.......... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Pale Rider Area: Base of Set To: Frc 1 Jul 92 13:32:00 Subject: Re: Zorastrian UpdReq Fr> What seems to be the problem? I'm down there about twice a week. Fr> Fr> And all my branch transfers take around four days.......... I hate driving downtown and so does my parents. As far as book transfers goes, it took more than 2 or 3 weeks, when I wanted Doctrine and Covenants and Satan Wants You........ 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Oz Tech Area: Base of Set To: Diane Vera 1 Jul 92 13:37:18 Subject: RE: OTS Rec'd UpdReq Diane, Howdy to you too. I didn't hang around to see those messages, but I presume they are the ones the Daemon Egan sent me copies of, along with a copy of your Green Egg letter and your "History of Satan Correspondence Network" flyer. Presuming this is so, I will try to answer those questions. From a messaged dated 22-Dec-91: > If Anton LaVey's - and his daughter Zeena's - right wing posturing is just a manipulation, what is its purpose? Have they decided it's easier to make money from "fascist pseudoSatanic" types than from individualists? < Righto. In that same letter I quoted, the next paragraph: "You see, we are dealing with intelligence levels on which imagery and ideals are easily interchangeable." And from earlier in that same letter - [Speaking of a fascist group which had approached the Church of Satan about an alliance] "That's the way it is with most outlaw groups. There are only two ingredients necessary for their existence: a symbol and a scapegoat. The NRP already has the swastika, but is obviously drawn to our sigil. They have the 'Jews and Niggers', but if properly propagandized could transfer their wrath to our enemies." I think it is obvious that Anton had nothing but contempt for such political groups and saw them strictly as cannon fodder in the ideological battle against Christianity. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Oz Tech Area: Base of Set To: Diane Vera 1 Jul 92 14:36:24 Subject: RE: OTS Rec'd UpdReq You further ask about LaVey's notorious claim, "we must at least assume the most powerful men on earth to be the most Satanic. This applies to financiers, industrialists, popes, poets, dictators and all assorted opinion-makers and field marshals of the world's activities." To this you added -- "Do you think it's likely that under any reasonable definition of 'Satanism', a significant fraction of the world's economic and political elite are, in fact, Satanists?" I'm inclined to treat the claim as hype. Human society is structured in order to achieve mass goals, not individual goals. You only have to look at Dan Quayle for an example of an individual whose presence in the political elite has nothing whatsoever to do with his native talents and level of awareness. While I certainly can't speak for the whole range of people who *claim* to be Satanists, I will say that in terms of the Left-Hand Path a person is to be evaluated on what is attained by their own efforts. To discover what fraction of the economic and political elite are even potentially Satanists, first subtract all those whose only claim to fame is that they were born into the right family. Of those that remain, most will still be subject to social conditioning that prevents them from full recognition of their individuality, even if they enjoy the hedonic pleasures and rewards available to the ruling class. A further remark: The man clutching the next-to-last rung of the ladder waxes proud at the thought of stomping the scum one rung down, and reckons it a matter of high principle. "Compassion is the vice of kings; stamp out the wretched and the weak": Crowley died penniless. "The Satanist has always been the true master of the earth": LaVey has been ordered by the State of California to put the headquarters of the Church of Satan up for sale to pay off his debts. To fail to learn from one case is permissable; to fail to learn from two cases is not. My elite status does not proceed from any trumpeting about class, and I am recognized and treated politely by people who know nothing about my philosophy, whether they are hotel doormen or business executives. And in this I believe I resemble the Prince of Darkness to a far greater extent than many other avowed Satanists. Oz 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Oz Tech Area: Base of Set To: Diane Vera 1 Jul 92 15:34:38 Subject: RE: OTS Rec'd UpdReq In a later message dated 22-Dec-91 you assert that the Temple's claims about Satanism are contrary to individuality, offensive to you, insulting, silly and dogmaticYou also criticize Aquino's definition of Satanism, saying it is not creditable, unsupported by an informal poll among your friends, unacceptable to LaVey Satanists, and so forth. It is June. Do you still want to talk about this? Oz 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Oz Tech Area: Base of Set To: Diane Vera 1 Jul 92 16:36:32 Subject: RE: OTS Rec'd UpdReq You had some other questions, regarding gender balance, sexism and public relations issues. I'll address those also if you wish -- I don't know what has transpired on this echo since December. I do think you should know that we see ourselves as collaborating with select individuals who approach us rather than embarking on recruitment campaigns. I feel much better about the relationship I have with a female engineering student back east who is writing a Setian analysis of Thoreau's essay on civil disobedience, than I feel about trying to convince Wiccans that Setians are "good". Oz 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Oz Tech Area: Base of Set To: Diane Vera 1 Jul 92 16:39:00 Subject: RE: correspondence with Dr. Aquino Rec'd UpdReq Diane, I am extremely pleased to hear this! Oz 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718