From: Bobby Meizer Area: RPSTOVAL To: Bobby Meizer, Gerald Del Campo 3 May 92 15:07:36 Subject: RE: In a message dated 29 Apr 92 10:45:35, Bobby Meizer wrote:UpdReq In a message to RE: Re: LIBER OZ written on Sunday, May 3, 1992 at 6:01:27, Bobby Meizer, Gerald Del Campo writes: BMGDC> I stand corrected. I was assured this was the case by some one who is BMGDC> usually BMGDC> a good source of historical information. Thank you for setting me BMGDC> straight on this before I got a chance to spread a myth. You're quite welcome Gerald. As I'm sure you'd agree, the only myths worth spreading are the true ones! :-) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: RPSTOVAL To: Bobby Meizer 5 May 92 18:59:18 Subject: RE: In a message dated 29 Apr 92 10:45:35, Bobby Meizer wrote:UpdReq In a message dated 03 May 92 15:07:37, Bobby Meizer wrote: BMGDC> I stand corrected. I was assured this was the case by some one who is BMGDC> usually BMGDC> a good source of historical information. Thank you for setting me BMGDC> straight on this before I got a chance to spread a myth. BM> You're quite welcome Gerald. As I'm sure you'd agree, the only myths BM> worth spreading are the true ones! :-) Joshep Campbell couldn't have said it better :) Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Phoenix Whitebirch Area: RPSTOVAL To: Frater Ehubi 3 May 92 22:02:00 Subject: Re: Consciousness Alter UpdReq FE>93, Tim and all... FE>Tim, you assert that Thelema as a "ruling principle" makes no sense FE>to you then explain that Thelema is a technology for the modification FE>of consciousness. For Gods' sake, Tim, what could possibly have more FE>impact on society than extensive consciousness modification by its FE>members? Thank you for making a point often overlooked. I theorize that this level of consciousness modification has at least enough impact on society to get the attention of the "cultur-geist", and can be hazardous for those individuals who initiate such modification. If one accepts that a culture is a being, and prefers to remain in existence, then radical changes can easily be perceived as a threat to its existence. I sometimes wonder if this set of concepts has too high an off-the-wall index, but I've come to accept them as working hypotheses, at least. 93 --- Phoenix SLMR 2.0 Against logic there is no armor like ignorance. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Phoenix Whitebirch Area: RPSTOVAL To: Gerald Del Campo 3 May 92 22:13:00 Subject: Reproduction Etc. UpdReq GDC> S> Unthelemic or not...I tend to think that forced sterilization GDC> S> after 2 children is better than China's solution. :/ I would GDC> S> much rather (if it were possible) to simply be able to convince GDC> S> people not to have more than 2 children. GDC>Why not reward those that only have one child? Reverse the current GDC>social process of welfare. Instead of giving more money to a person GDC>with 3 kids than a person with 2, why not reward couples who refrain GDC>from having children at all? And give them slightly less for two, GDC>and even less for 3, and so on... This would appeal to people's GDC>greedyness...I think it would be most effective, and you wouldn't GDC>violate anybody's rights. And then we could offer lots of money to anyone who would volunteer to be sterilized, 'cause they wouldn't be having any kids at all... It's a complex problem, and I incline towards issuing reproductive licenses to prospective parents who've completed a series of classes and whose IQ is above 100... but this seriously conflicts with my staunch support of a woman's right to control her body. But I'm not sure anyone has a right to engage in a behavior that is dangerous to the planet as a whole; uncontrolled reproduction is just that. I guess running the world isn't as easy as I had thought it would be when I volunteered for the job . SLMR 2.0 Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: RPSTOVAL To: Phoenix Whitebirch 6 May 92 23:39:18 Subject: Re: Reproduction Etc. UpdReq In a message dated 03 May 92 22:13:00, Phoenix Whitebirch wrote: GDC>Why not reward those that only have one child? Reverse the current GDC>social process of welfare. Instead of giving more money to a person GDC>with 3 kids than a person with 2, why not reward couples who refrain GDC>from having children at all? And give them slightly less for two, GDC>and even less for 3, and so on... This would appeal to people's GDC>greedyness...I think it would be most effective, and you wouldn't GDC>violate anybody's rights. PW> And then we could offer lots of money to anyone who would volunteer PW> to be sterilized, 'cause they wouldn't be having any kids at all... This would work as well. But since "change" is the nature of Will I would sure hate to make that decision without knowing the "big picture" ;) PW> It's a complex problem, and I incline towards issuing reproductive PW> licenses to prospective parents who've completed a series of classes PW> and whose IQ is above 100... this MIGHT inprove the gene pool. PW> but this seriously conflicts with my staunch support of a woman's right PW> to control her body. I know what you mean. There seem's to be no easy answer...but my idea of tax breaks for people with less than a given number of children. This way, if a person wanted to have 500 kids could do so, but would not get governmental "brownie points". PW> But I'm not sure anyone has a right to engage in a behavior that is PW> dangerous to the planet as a whole; uncontrolled reproduction is just PW> that. I agree with you there. I have faith (eewwww the "F" word!) that if everyone found their True Will they would eventually find themselves in total harmony with the Universe. PW> I guess running the world isn't as easy as I had thought it would be PW> when I volunteered for the job . You volunteered too! Hey, how many people were given this job! (what do they pay YOU?) ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Jonathon Blake Area: RPSTOVAL To: Gerald Del Campo 27 Apr 92 04:27:46 Subject: RE: Re: RE: THELEMA WITH UpdReq =========================================================================== From: GERALD DEL CAMPO Refer#: 38 To: TONY IANNOTTI Recvd: NO ___------------------------------------------------------------------------ GDC>BTW. I thought some one on the MagickNet triad had mentioned that the OTO GDC>had something on microfilm, a letter perhaps, from Crowley GDC>to Gardner which could prove Crowley wrote the rites for GDC>Gardner. Is this true? cf Wicca.zip on haditnet 93 jonathon * SLMR 2.1a * Abandon hope, ye who enter messages here. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Jonathon Blake Area: RPSTOVAL To: Tony Iannotti 27 Apr 92 04:27:48 Subject: RE: Re: RE: THELEMA WITH UpdReq =========================================================================== Date: 04-23-92 (09:34) Number: 45 From: TONY IANNOTTI Refer#: 42 To: GERALD DEL CAMPO Recvd: NO ___------------------------------------------------------------------------ TI>GDC>had something on microfilm, a letter perhaps, from Crowley TI>GDC>to Gardner which could prove Crowley wrote the rites for TI>GDC>Gardner. Is this true? TI> Not that I know of. We have pictures of the Camp certificate, giving i believe that that certificate is slated for donation to Grand Lodge. TI> him, as a PI, to have a Camp of Minervals, but that's the closest I TI> can think of. (there is a letter from AC to Germer saying that a TI> Dr. Gadner would be starting a group, but no word beyond that.) do you have alan greenfields wicca.zip << or wicca.arj >>? its a paper which discusses the Crowley Gardner connection. 93 jonathon * SLMR 2.1a * The diff between a nat'l hi & lo emplmnt rates is 2% 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718