From: Bobby Meizer Area: RPSTOVAL To: Tim Maroney 16 Apr 92 23:55:52 Subject: RE: Re: THELEMA WITHOUT CHRISTIANITY In a message to Gerald Del Campo written on Tuesday, April 14, 1992 at 8:04:50, Tim Maroney writes: TM> consciousness modification, the same as any other religion. If you want TM> to see what it would be like given temporal power, then look at the TM> O.T.O., or at Christianity, or at Israel, or at Saudi Arabia. Now really, Timbo-roonio, you know quite well that comparing 'O.T.O.' and 'Christianity' is mixing apples and oranges. Of course the comparison to theocratic governments is another matter. O.T.O. is quite unashamedly such (if one judges by the available documents). As to whether the O.T.O. has or will avoid the vicious practices of every other theocracy of which I know, that is often hotly debated (as you well know!). 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Serpens Area: RPSTOVAL To: Frater I.o.s.p. 17 Apr 92 18:58:52 Subject: Re: WELCOME! Care Frater IOSP 93. Thanks for the (partially) reassuring message (Newwark, huh?). I rather figured the Lodge qua Lodge operated in the Apple, but it is nice to hear that confirmed. As we in the benighted regions below (no, no, not the Abyss, the DC area...next to which the Abyss makes crystal clear sense) {_get our shit together I will be posting brief notes on our progress, for the amusement and edification of the bretheren ;) Everyone is slavering to get the initiation process rolling, so I hope to get some feedback from the Master at Tahuti soon. Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Serpens Area: RPSTOVAL To: Bobby Meizer 17 Apr 92 19:06:54 Subject: Re: RE: THELEMA WITHOUT CHRISTIANITY Tim, Bobby, et alia - (I avoid the shorter, et AL lest I seem to be making a theological statement) Apropos, sorta, of this, has anyone seen a satirical newsletter called the Broken Link. The obvious assumption that the title contains a subtle reference to another magical groups newsletter is borne out by the masthead: the international NO symbol overlaid on the Lamen. AN interesting mix of very funny satire mixed with/fuelled by (?) a deep revulsion towards the Caliphate OTO. Paul 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Chris Feldman Area: RPSTOVAL To: Rebis 11 Apr 92 00:27:32 Subject: Re: "DO WHAT THOU WILT" Sent UpdReq -=> Rebis sent a message to Saracen on 04 Apr 92 08:11:39 <=- -=> Re: "DO WHAT THOU WILT" <=- R> The Law R> of Thelema is only for those who have wondered who they really are, R> for those who are unsatisfied with apparent reality. I:34 But she said: the ordeals I write not: the rituals shall be half known and half concealed: the Law is for all. ... =+=Vitriol=+= 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Chris Feldman Area: RPSTOVAL To: Gerald Del Campo 11 Apr 92 00:35:12 Subject: Re: Thelema without Christianity Sent UpdReq -=> Gerald Del Campo sent a message to Chris Feldman on Sun 5 Apr 92 21:22 <=- -=> Re: Thelema without Christianity <=- GDC> No offense taken, however, I feel that the question has validity. In GDC> order for us to manifest Thelema in the everyday world we have to have GDC> some kind of idea of what Thelema is. My question was GDC> designed to find out what people thought Thelema was, and whether or GDC> not it needed to have Xtianity as its forerunner or if it could stand GDC> on its own without it. Ah, clearer now. GDC> Paul has asnwered the question quite GDC> intelligently. GDC> 93 Hehe. No suprises there! As to your original (intended) line of questioning: I haven't spent much time thinking along those lines, being still caught up in trying to figure out how to manifest it in MY everday world, to steal your phrase. (Of course, the Zen answer is that you DON'T think about it, you just DO it!) ... Thou Hast No Right But To Do Thy Will 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718