From: John Roman Area: Public Key Encryption To: Ted Rolle 27 Apr 95 09:48:30 Subject: PGP + Editors UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Ted! 22 Apr 95 00:48, Ted Rolle wrote to All: TR> I am running IceEdit and GoldEd as my message editors. What has been TR> the experience in "marrying" PGP to these products? Is using another TR> interface (PGPBlue, PGPWave, and the like) a better way to go? Nope. TR> I've heard that the method of linking PGP and GoldEd that is TR> described in the docs doesn't work in all cases (like mine!). Does TR> anyone have another way that does? That is true, but the following works just great for GoldED... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- EXTERNAL UTILITIES // Example for setting up PGP (Pretty Good Privacy). EXTERNOPTIONS -nokeepctrl -wipe IF DOS EXTERNUTIL 1 pgp.exe +force -sta @tmpfile -u "@oname" -o @file EXTERNUTIL 2 pgp.exe +force -sea @tmpfile "@dname" -u "@oname" -o @file EXTERNUTIL 3 pgp.exe +force @file -o @file EXTERNUTIL 4 tagdude.exe -add3 @file EXTERNUTIL 5 F:\SS\SS.EXE @file ELSEIF OS/2 EXTERNUTIL 1 pgp2.exe +force -sta @tmpfile -u "@oname" -o @file EXTERNUTIL 2 pgp2.exe +force -sea @tmpfile "@dname" -u "@oname" -o @file EXTERNUTIL 3 pgp2.exe +force @file -o @file EXTERNUTIL 4 cmd /c f:\ss\ss.exe @file ENDIF IF DOS EDITSAVEUTIL 1 "L PGP CLearsign" EDITSAVEUTIL 2 "E PGP Encrypt & Sign" EDITSAVEUTIL 5 "S Sharespell" EDITSAVEUTIL 4 "T Run Tagdude" ELSEIF OS/2 EDITSAVEUTIL 1 "L PGP CLearsign" EDITSAVEUTIL 2 "E PGP Encrypt & Sign" EDITSAVEUTIL 4 "S Sharespell" ENDIF F11 ExternUtil01 ; Clearsign F12 ExternUtil02 ; Encrypt & Sign ^F11 ExternUtil03 ; Decrypt John -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL5/Z5Q4f7XXjzQ6JAQFDCAP+Md9Q/CdiD8aJarluG93WAJmEed4fJ773 imp+N2duMcHUA8dYiZ3+7dU5o7TPlVwbbJaXm5HMXYa7v0aABLURC5DX1WPum0WZ DO2qSIVjCdd5kYkQo/G17f+zUoRpCv9JHOSkD4nmT/okuJv6N+UhjX03Svf4Jphv QqnXdX/lXfE= =Zo6I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Aaron Goldblatt Area: Public Key Encryption To: Robert Purnell 27 Apr 95 08:50:40 Subject: Thomas UpdReq RP> I do not have www access, but I do have email access, any of RP> that information setup on a listserver? Thanks! I don't know if it is or not ... the system is sparce in its references to other services the LOC provides ... I've been trying to find an infobot, but my mail keeps getting returned by the mail daemon at work. :-/ D'Artagnon ... Well, you don't know what we could find ... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Jeffrey Bloss Area: Public Key Encryption To: Shawn Mcmahon 27 Apr 95 08:41:00 Subject: Re: encrypted messages UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- SM>> RD> How many is "many"? Is "many" more than "several"? Less than SM>> RD> "most"? What's our reference point? SM>> Oh, I see; I disagree with you about it being "many" and it's just "my SM>> uninformed opinion." SM>> Chessler disagrees with you, and you start the quick backtracking. You and Mr Chessler are both wrong, and it *is* your uninformed (misinformed?) opinion that anything else is the truth. Being dynamic it's a bit harder to nail down exact countries' specific laws, but as of late 1994 approximately 70% of the world's countries had varying degrees of legal requirements that had to be met before sending encrypted traffic across their borders, and 40%(+/-) limit or require permits of some type to use it internally. Pick your figure... either one is easily defined as many. In fact Shawn, these figures are on the upswing, and one of the chief "reasons" the NSA gives for needing tighter restrictions here at home... "Seee... THEY'RE doing it". :( I suspect that as encryption becomes more popular the numbers will increase even more. Truly free countries few and far between... certainly not the vast majority, or even "many". All in all the world is *still* a pretty narrow minded, paranoid place to live. :(( ... Why put Braille dots on the keypads of drive-up ATM's? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: -=[ Privacy Through Random Acts Of Encryption ]=- iQCVAwUBL5+Q/ukStfMM4BMZAQEB/gP/TK485KQkrQTBJabq5ddFWcIBEcQ6eqF/ Ecm7AM8sS0JbYnCRlXVCDjUF4TNdFO6OWzyMokSuVwc5Y2tg1ceRe0F8E14pmk3m 1FPBTRS8cES2rwCqsWad3GZYbtSJX62aqHNeJy2fq8Oqw9QFzxxZyh7HBqwfoO43 gXQUAtRmTXQ= =560D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: jason carr Area: Public Key Encryption To: Shawn McMahon 27 Apr 95 21:04:30 Subject: Re: Send/rec PGP Msg's UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Shawn McMahon wrote in a message to jason carr: jc> Anything that teaches us to think carefully and creatively is justified jc> as an end unto itself. SM> That's a demonstrably untrue statement. You can argue against it, but I'm not sure it's /demonstratably/ untrue. SM> Plotting and executing the perfect serial murder would teach SM> you to think carefully and creatively, but I doubt anyone in SM> his right mind would say it was "justified as an end unto SM> itself." "The lawyers defending a criminal are rarely artists enough to turn the beautiful terribleness of his deed to his advantage." Beyond Good and Evil. Friedrich Nietzsche, 1886. I think we should take this to the PHILOSOPHY echo, where I would be allowed to foam at the mouth... :) jason - --- timEd-B9 - Don't you hate when that happens?? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Cryptography and echomail aren't mutually exclusive. iQCVAwUBL6B9BEjhGzlN9lCZAQFXnQP/Vw8ki/7dNAQJJnSKtD6uiDXaY8fojQX4 WlS5GkKGFQ/0EDVC9wqYci4yEfWxRzlUPvzZF86y4Ny2CkaxAZQ0/tGdtyCEkQKO Zj2nS3cjTHzHBlWe704BobxJigrTUqcI5vGqr6lB3v607QsqVUL+aN0Blauq1l+u P+GOEkTRy+c= =aMqt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ... Key fingerprint = 60 97 B2 AE 7D 90 11 2F 05 1C 35 98 E9 B9 83 61 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: jason carr Area: Public Key Encryption To: Tom Almy 27 Apr 95 21:09:08 Subject: Send/rec PGP Msg's UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- jc> How so? Seems like it would be a great way for people to practice jc> proper comsec in a casual, low-threat setting. TA> Private, direct email would be better. Why post (for wide TA> distribution) a personal message? Only advantage is to What if you need to have secure commo within a group? Encryted echomail is a beautiful answer... TA> thwart traffic analysis, but I doubt most people using a PGP TA> encryted message echo is really thinking along those lines. Hmmm. I dunno. There's really not that many people doing it. The one's I know doing it encrypt to pre-set groups of confidantes. TA> Carefully, perhaps. Creatively, no. This is an area where TA> trying to be creative can cause problems -- most TA> crytpographic ideas are put forward for lengthy public TA> scrutiny. ...put forward after someone radically developed the system. Had not someone been quite creative, public-key cryptosystems would not exist. After all, it radically changes the idea of a key. "Hey, instead of protecting the key, let's publish it!" TA> I'd say those that are doing it wrong are treating it like a TA> game. And I've seen plenty of that. It takes a lot of work I'd disagree. I'd say that those who are doing it wrong are inattentive, unconcerned, or plain thick. "A man's maturity -- consists in having found again one had as a child, at play." Beyond Good and Evil. Friedrich Nietzsche, 1886. Yikes!! That's my second N quote in as many posts! TA> to follow all the suggestions in the PGP manual. I bet that TA> an overwhelming majority of users: TA> 1. have the private keyring publicly accessible TA> 2. have a poor passphrase TA> 3. trust public keys on PGP_KEYS and on Internet keyservers TA> 4. sign keys where they aren't absolutely sure about the TA> owner (meet them personally and check IDs). 90% of people are idiots, regardless of their use or non-use of PGP. Their cars are also likely low on oil, and their kitchen knives are dull. TA> The large number of "unofficial", and incompatible, versions TA> is also not taking things seriously. I salute the people who sit up nights altering the sourcecode. Unofficial versions resonate deeply of Phil's vision. jason - --- timEd-B9 - Daddy. What does UNREGISTERED mean?? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Cryptography and echomail aren't mutually exclusive. iQCVAwUBL6Bs+EjhGzlN9lCZAQHh/gP+PZa+hYBwIwVrTxllyLDkEM446d5BHspU GLaeD7LqXanpINXOTndD/wF7teXbM/C6ZRFIaZxeLJRSAw43rAN95va/qcMFoLvK HDcyw802a+MppUtIXgj0xbS44aF4R5NnUdtCXkpqNY2PFrlpgJqjOGrBQCNEBQSz c5XrP7aOXjA= =LZcZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ... Key fingerprint = 60 97 B2 AE 7D 90 11 2F 05 1C 35 98 E9 B9 83 61 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kevin McCauley Area: Public Key Encryption To: All 27 Apr 95 17:31:04 Subject: Here's My Key UpdReq Hello everyone ... here's my public key ... (I hope) just in case anyone wanted to send me something encrypted ... BTW I'm sorry about sending the encrypted mail a little while back. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.i mQBNAi9iMfEAAAECAL3yue7K1/qP0w7YFsNUcW+ZGv6yDsf9b/YofGElfQ2hqMpu BMH5O1A4ZxVeolnWO0Qk4hT+CfSZF/t+suZhYN0ABRG0DktldmluIE1jQ2F1bGV5 tAVNb3Zlc7QuS2V2aW4gSi4gTWNDYXVsZXkgPEtldmluLk1jQ2F1bGV5QHVwdG93 bmUuY29tPg== =BEat -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- ... America borders on the magnificent -> Canada! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Babcock Area: Public Key Encryption To: JEFF TROWBRIDGE 20 Apr 95 19:57:00 Subject: keyring problems UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jeff said something about keyring problems to All on 04-19-95 20:48 ... JT> I'm having a problem viewing the contents of my keyring. It's gotten JT> so big it whizzes by and I can only see the last 8 or 9 names. I JT> looked in the manual and couldn't find any way to either limit the JT> keyring to one screen at a time or to print the contents of the JT> keyring so I'd have a hard copy to reference. Change your config.txt to have the name of your favorite listing program (list.com?) as the 'lister' and it will call it with the name of a temp. file that contains whatever you want listed... Help, etc... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL5b2W6Vk4K5QyJmlAQFwwwP+NWfOouFt/gvjUwiX/ME2FBN0u+UzrSNt FNYz6kTfuaWSsLcFewlwFDjdYvOhoFFw7UNNQS7RkeZAKDATHv0sGmqaUed8c11q 06/AAjj8CqcI5LOAuKlZwGHJEhdcy36pHeyukY6mqnlKlE/wYXnoTiTzKsFBk0T2 k4joJ8IDDCE= =Nput -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Juan Jose Rodriguez Area: Public Key Encryption To: Jeff Trowbridge 22 Apr 95 16:07:46 Subject: keyring problems UpdReq following up a message from Glen Todd to Jeff Trowbridge: JT> I'm having a problem viewing the contents of my keyring. It's gotten JT> so big it whizzes by and I can only see the last 8 or 9 names. I JT> looked in the manual and couldn't find any way to either limit the JT> keyring to one screen at a time or to print the contents of the JT> keyring so I'd have a hard copy to reference. If my memory is correct you only add a -m to the command line and the output will be a screen at a time. And there is a line in the config.txt to specify the list program to use too. Sincerely, Juan Jos Rodrguez ... Programming is the only art form that fights back. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Babcock Area: Public Key Encryption To: TOM ALMY 24 Apr 95 17:08:00 Subject: keyring problems UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tom said something about keyring problems to Jeff on 04-20-95 10:43 ... TA> *AUTOPGP-WARNING:* PGP message contains unknown signature. TA> You do not have the required public key (0x22D886E1) to verify the TA> signature. Would you mind taking the time to post your public key in the public keys echo? Thanks. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 Michael.Babcock@f120.n224.z1.fidonet.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL5waJKVk4K5QyJmlAQF61QP/XBDn2vZbEU6jFrnalTBQVfUIVwcss5uw 8rbKdExMxFNIP2HEFTGWpVqhdPp2CvfGpIYb0d4Cvy8xMIcnWT3VYpi8FhYIRudD ZsJRpKQJE2haFCMyz4Rz+X6X36iUS7YLE6NnEYluILxQQ8oavN9cfZLXRWtzVVix zGzClwJkxno= =DL2+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: John Stephenson Area: Public Key Encryption To: Christopher Baker 27 Apr 95 16:02:54 Subject: lost data [Was: PGPWave] UpdReq JS> There's a problem. I lost my HDD's data, and I lost along with it JS> my PGP key. So I can't read that :( (btw I also lost my PGPWave JS> source) so I can't decrypt that! Plus this isn't the echo to do this JS> in :) CB> oh, no! not another poster boy for BACKUPS! BACKUPS! BACKUPS!? Unfortunetely, yes, I am. CB> you don't have either on a nice, safe floppy somewhere? Nope. I plan on rewriting PGPWave over the summer, and releasing a completely rewritten version with hopefully a more solid interface and security measures. - John 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Babcock Area: Public Key Encryption To: ALL 24 Apr 95 17:13:00 Subject: Public Keys UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I don't know about the rest of you, but i've got a lot of messages coming in over here that have signatures that I don't have the keys for. Would it be possible for people to post their public key in the public keys conference every now and then to make sure we all have them? Thanx. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 Michael.Babcock@f120.n224.z1.fidonet.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL5waK6Vk4K5QyJmlAQFNtQP9Ec/alYasdelczFR1+skFaykHg45XgKlQ weyEdh8WYOziAn6sNUJM4I0rc3idJqVurWcFbuks1mO/m8wHwbX7JNRKryq0d2zi gkwkMeddhbw7l1R3p0xqftIMnKnXuZHy/gzDOUvIJEtj0VbDQtTj9j4ox3rthWZo pUw5AnaTbKo= =WEiV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Babcock Area: Public Key Encryption To: JASON CARR 20 Apr 95 20:00:00 Subject: Send/rec PGP Msg's UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jason said something about Send/rec PGP Msg's to Chet on 04-19-95 02:56 ... JC> I run PGP_ECHO here between Dallas and Fort Worth, and many JC> OtherNets (FTNs) have echos set up for that purpose. Fido just isn't JC> that friendly to PGP. If this echo is at all well-used, contact my sysop here, Stewart Charleton, with the details, he might be interested (he's NC for 224 too). ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL5b2ZaVk4K5QyJmlAQHPGAQAqvI1gOQNnJ1W/RF/00F7IGzQLt9Nh01H XVpa0EyXJWNmV2zWgiftJ/dnqS4QB3o+0caPVOJ4G9U3QLDGeFkqNCN2WMQjLA4N L52Idoe42ubkaw/f3QhZmJmw9v//IRU0qoEFGFUEyRHEet+Q0JLRHiB3HHU56ArN tKGSHYvFR9Y= =ObPE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Jeffrey Bloss Area: Public Key Encryption To: Jason Carr 28 Apr 95 12:02:00 Subject: Send/rec PGP Msg's UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- JC>> TA> Private, direct email would be better. Why post (for wide JC>> TA> distribution) a personal message? Only advantage is to JC>> What if you need to have secure commo within a group? Encryted echomail JC>> is a beautiful answer... I agree with TA... encryption has a place, but I don't feel it's inside a public, widely distributed echo. It somehow defeats the "open forum" idea, and only ups the number of bytes SysOps have to move. Broadcasting encrypted messages to all sites is a waste of time, bytes and most often $$$. If you're gonna encrypt, route the message directly to the receiver(s). JC>> TA> I'd say those that are doing it wrong are treating it like a JC>> TA> game. And I've seen plenty of that. It takes a lot of work JC>> I'd disagree. I'd say that those who are doing it wrong are JC>> inattentive, unconcerned, or plain thick. I agree with you. :) I think "games" are a super way of learning real life skills. Screwing up in a friendly environment lowers the chances of making the same mistakes "when the chips are down". And just for fun and games, I think we should all answer these questions. JC>> TA> an overwhelming majority of users: JC>> TA> 1. have the private keyring publicly accessible My private key is on a disk that goes everywhere with me. JC>> TA> 2. have a poor passphrase My passphrase is made up of a series of randomly generated pronounceable words... like "miewenago jatki saliwade". And no, that's NOT my passphrase. JC>> TA> 3. trust public keys on PGP_KEYS and on Internet keyservers Never! I add them, sure, but with confidence levels set to zilch, nada, zero, none... JC>> TA> 4. sign keys where they aren't absolutely sure about the JC>> TA> owner (meet them personally and check IDs). I have one key in my keyring that I consider safe enough to sign/trust, and it's a friends key uploaded to my machine within seconds of a voice call. I'm better than 99.9% sure it was actually him on the other end of the transfer. And I'd like to add to the list... 4. Don't use the -w wipe switch, or otherwise clean up the temporary files generated by PGP. I do... JC>> 90% of people are idiots, regardless of their use or non-use of PGP. I think it's more like "90% of people are uneducated in their use or non-use of PGP". :) If 90% are idiots, there's a real good chance either you or I fall into that category. JC>> Their cars are also likely low on oil, and their kitchen knives are JC>> dull. My car has fresh oil as of 3 days ago, but I only have one kitchen knife (my favorite) I keep as sharp as I should. I guess that makes *me* the idiot. OTOH, I can shave with my pocket knife... I may have to reconsider. ;) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: -=[ Privacy Through Random Acts Of Encryption ]=- iQCVAwUBL6EReukStfMM4BMZAQEogAQAl2KV9ubFaKxmKJQBfJnVDwSE9HWpXpMb 5PLgmbTBUNwajQCMiU15aTSK5kunFqyjaRMybhvPdUhhRjOpvpNBdz+8pch/kmHS QQJZgNn1LEzS7Bm/ZYVBVVQTLdBe+H+LtovEIxIG0h96+BWOvkKP9ZcpsqVHoBlL YPaY40xYpmc= =VLTu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Donna Norton Area: Public Key Encryption To: Gary Cundiff 26 Apr 95 10:58:00 Subject: Western Virginia UpdReq GC>I am trying to find copies or someone who has access to the following: > Early settlers of Lee Co. Va. and adjacent counties Vol 1 > Early settlers of Tazewell Co. Va. > Early settlers of Russel Co. Va. >My ancestors are Tiptons and my mother Gladys, is desperately in need of >any information on these books. gsc GC>--- Maximus 2.01wb > * Origin: CAROLINA GENEALOGY (918) 836-0125 (1:170/304) If you find info on these books would you forward it to donna norton box 97 gilbertsville,ky 42044 we are lookin for gray's thanks --- QMPro 1.50 11-2233 Misspelled? Impossible. My modem is error correcting. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Shawn McMahon Area: Public Key Encryption To: Michael Babcock 28 Apr 95 01:37:36 Subject: Encrypted Messages UpdReq Despite the stern warnings of the tribal elders, Michael Babcock said this to SHAWN MCMAHON: SM>> Please name five countries where it's illegal. MB> It's illegal to export it to ANY country except Canada... That is true (as far as it goes) but *NOT* relevant. Mr. Dale was claiming that it was illegal to USE in "many" countries. I suspected he was talking through his hat, and that's been quite abundantly proven by his backtracking and insults since. Par for the Dale course, and the *REAL* reason he has me twit-filtered. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Shawn McMahon Area: Public Key Encryption To: John Stephenson 28 Apr 95 01:39:10 Subject: PGP + Editors UpdReq Despite the stern warnings of the tribal elders, John Stephenson said this to Ted Rolle: JS> PGPWave is freeware, mouse driven, and has a nice interface. And JS> well, PGPBlue is shareware, no mouse support, and well.. I'll JS> leave the rest to your imagination. :) PGPBlue is available for OS/2, as well as the obsolete MS-DOS OS. Is PGPWave? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718