From: Doug Southcott Area: Public Key Encryption To: Bryan Koen 15 Mar 95 06:06:00 Subject: Re: Internet mail reader that supports PUpdReq Hi, Hope you don't mind my jumping in here but here goes. I just got pgp26.zip from as local board. Not sure if it's the newest one or not? I did up the installs and read the docs but could see nothing about using it through Internet mail. There's a local site starting in a couple of weeks and I'd like to keep the mail secure. Can you tell me if I need a special thing to use with pgp and Internet mailing so it all works together? Also, I'd use (for example) pgp -es newkey.txt BoulderS -uSouthcott to encrypt & sign pgp newkeys.pgp -o newkeys.txt to open and verify the key is good this will let me see the signature also? I read the docs but just want to be sure. Thanks in advance. ttfn, Doug 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Scott Mills Area: Public Key Encryption To: Zorch Frezberg 21 Mar 95 07:48:20 Subject: In response to bye!/2 UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Sunday March 19 1995, Zorch Frezberg writes to Shawn McMahon: ZF> Only because of...Media Hype. The same kind that shows the InterNet being ZF> a Windows environment, the same software that tells you a 486 machine (or ZF> better!) is needed to _Really_ get the power out of it. ZF> And, does not OS/2 do the same? The bigger machine, the more memory, the ZF> better that it runs? ZF> What good is the InterNet when the operating systems (with _free_ InterNet ZF> access included!) require machines outside the range of affordability? I just helped a friend of mine put together a system. We had a junked XT case and power supply. He bought a used 386/40 for $75. A 546M drive for under $300, video and controller cards came to under $100. The monitor was $150 used. Memory was $160 for 4 meg. Throw in a copy of OS/2 for $80 dollars and you have a machine capable of direct dial up for SLIP or PPP for under $900. That isn't outside the range of affordability. ZF> Or are you going to try and tell me that Warp and Chicago are going to run ZF> on a 386SX40, as you use exampled above? Yes it will. This machine was a 386/40 untill recently when I sold the board to the friend mentioned above and bought a 486/33 VLB board. I was running the TCPIP software quite well. The only choke point was the 14.4 modem. I could have a WWW session open, an file FTPing in, and have a telnet session open with no problems. That was on 8 meg of ram instead of 4. But that would just add another $160 to the machine mentioned above. Scott Yes Ma'm i may be drunk, but you are ugly, and in the morning, i'll be sober - --Winston Churchill Scott Mills 1024/26CD5D03 For my PGP key freq PGPKEY sm@f119.n265.z1.fidonet.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL27O3yP6qSQmzV0DAQGSLwP+OdcZLVjh60uPHY8/8HC1Q0v4TObG9bti +09WgKBQaNkNboT7CB+PY2E+E10/pcyQ0DfqvjF0AaKHWhN0tL3UCSrL8demrA5K U3U7Ycqaz5gtCir/YYQHFaviCT3hD5WkoPih8gzC9kiy9TCzAjqVrefSw19JXHVQ dCgoCJgA4E4= =j/Ho -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Andy Hayes Area: Public Key Encryption To: JEFFREY BLOSS 20 Mar 95 03:36:00 Subject: Poker? UpdReq In a message to DOUG MUTH, JEFFREY BLOSS said... JB>Well... I was thinking the dealer could create 52 text (or ANSI) JB>files, one for each card. Of course each of the files should have the JB>name or picture of the card in it. :) JB>five and sends the rest to the next player. The last player (not JB>including the dealer) picks five for him/her self and five for the JB>dealer. This little 'game' sounds exteremly cool!!!!!! Where'd ya get such an interesting idea? Andy * QUOTEOLX 2.3 1892898 * * OLX 2.2 TD * We're on a collision course with wackiness. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Bruce Davis Area: Public Key Encryption To: All 23 Mar 95 05:34:10 Subject: Bluewave & pgp UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Quoting Peter Bradie to Bruce Davis on 03-20-95 21:51 EST <=- -=> Quoting Bruce Davis to Peter Bradie <=- BD> In Short...BEWARE OF PGP BLUE...DO NOT SEND IN MONEY unless you BD> are sure that the author will support his product. I'm a BD> registered user and haven't been able to get support yet! PB> Haven't tried all the bells & whistles, but it does seem to do what I PB> want it to. What would you suggest instead? Try PGPWave, available from 613-354-4295. I believe that the actual filename is something like pgpw107a.zip, however you should be able to search it out easily. A LOT of people (including myself) had problems with some of the encryption routines in PGPBlue. I registered the product, sent in my money and was able to receive NO help from the author. He evidently shut down his board and hasn't been answering messages in the Blue Wave echo. So far I like what I see in PGPWave. I've tested it and it appears to function well. It DOESN'T add it's own advertisement to the tearline like PGPBlue did. And the price was right, FREE! That's right it's freeware. Good Luck using PGPWave. I know you'll like it, I sure do! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Bruce Davis iQCVAwUBL3FLgHPGy9VvHHfxAQHOvgP9HRkwrmsqoWmCzFr3AfnEDEHeyY0dAs2s JqJmQ2XGLPmQ8F7fnYvjjN8PetktMflS2I1+GsJpMWby/XmlvrBNccbiaF+9Qeia MxwA1vmVhipm7WIyDlo9QKxGUdhZflNlCOIKs+pl8zMkDFGv7bF1DiH2740HkU3f v7HKXbpzHYw= =Cyuf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Bruce Davis bruce.davis@mercopus.com Tampa, FL bldavis@gate.net PGP Key Available on Request ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20p Beta 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Babcock Area: Public Key Encryption To: BRUCE DAVIS 21 Mar 95 15:46:00 Subject: Bluewave & PGP UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bruce said something about Bluewave & PGP to Peter on 03-18-95 04:59 ... BD> WAIT...BEFORE you send in your hard earned money! I am a BD> registered user, sent in my money to the author. Myself and Others BD> are unable to get certain portions of the program to function. The BD> author listed a specific BBS for Tech Support (it's no longer up) BD> said he monitors the BlueWave Echo (he's never answered a question BD> from me). BD> In Short...BEWARE OF PGP BLUE...DO NOT SEND IN MONEY unless you BD> are sure that the author will support his product. I'm a BD> registered user and haven't been able to get support yet! Guess i'll just keep using the fairly-functionnal SW version then... Used anything better? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL287VKVk4K5QyJmlAQF6vgP+KMJ3qw8rH8TdoAsiIlxiE8/D+pAyVvTu JL6jVbsCnXCSGY2sH2uDrPc0bPOSqv7bUv3ciU8zsQqMFmpfz8C2nORI8xqO4wV/ tNQrkh0czatFEDn93GkLSMIwTwkHQlflJZNegRjRFWfw8c8Wy+nLLb2p9EilfRbU Eqvw4EutMDA= =r+jW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ~~~ PGPBLUE 3.0 ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 Michael.Babcock@f30.n224.z1.fidonet.org 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: John Schofield Area: Public Key Encryption To: Peter Bradie 22 Mar 95 14:56:32 Subject: Bluewave & pgp UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- --====-- -=> Quoting Bruce Davis to Peter Bradie <=- BD> In Short...BEWARE OF PGP BLUE...DO NOT SEND IN MONEY unless you BD> are sure that the author will support his product. I'm a BD> registered user and haven't been able to get support yet! PB> Haven't tried all the bells & whistles, but it does seem to do what I PB> want it to. What would you suggest instead? I recommend EZ-PGP. (But then, I wrote it.) It has very few bells and whistles, but what it does, it does VERY well. It's free, and so is support. I will *NOT* make toll calls to support EZ-PGP, but I give my voice number out in the documentation, and I will also gladly call collect to help people out. Not to mention e-mail support, etc. John -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.7 Comment: Call 818-345-8640 voice for info on Keep Out magazine. iQCVAwUBL3CqGWj9fvT+ukJdAQH6mgP/ZLu3UzI9E5J1GDRQPG7DdLoNmfdB07Cx d0XwqcMIumyOPSUqu/NYHo1uQNcrQMJ7rou5KmHQQ9IQX0wiWz9Vg/1hkFc7w7uy mYqJg86h/XnWeuhmfeiJAkGccg/QgtF+tKVRbfuLn9wPG8TQrQdo+deRAgoXKc5m zSk+zLOejzU= =MyHo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- **EZ-PGP v1.07 ... The cost of feathers has risen... Now even DOWN is up! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Babcock Area: Public Key Encryption To: GLEN TODD 22 Mar 95 22:15:00 Subject: Can I Freq Pgp? UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- GT> [BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE] GT> *AUTOPGP-WARNING:* Bad signature, doesn't match file contents! GT> *AUTOPGP-WARNING:* GMT time stamp may be incorrect! GT> Bad signature from user "Glen Todd <1:128/203>". GT> Signature made 1995/02/25 17:53 GMT GT> [END PGP SIGNED MESSAGE] It might just be the NET, or I could have an old key - but this msg is not valid for the signature :) ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL3D37qVk4K5QyJmlAQGTRAP9E+K+Z++8ehaO9K8r9jkDY+bExK4lzW1Z vIxdLIDnjHhWP7OKYcgfhJOqi3xRke69kwBx9v3/DHn04bztgIllPC5PDQDux600 V2We25AQrzW+4HUfVuX+3Ep4WFRFrA+vpA9Y+34uYR7QENNJ5NFTCQ6r/EkTBTYO FAZEDKuE0Uw= =OP5b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Michael.Babcock@f30.n224.z1.fidonet.org 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Babcock Area: Public Key Encryption To: JOHN ROMAN 22 Mar 95 23:11:00 Subject: Golded @enc: PGP UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- John said something about Golded @enc: PGP to Gk on 03-05-95 11:25 ... JR> OK, that makes sense. I can see how that would be useful if JR> reader authors would use it to automatically process encrypted or JR> digital signature messages. But...I can also see how it could be JR> used to indiscriminately bounce clearsigned or encrypted traffic JR> (not that it can't be done now, this just seems to make it a JR> simple matter of course). I have a program here that I saw and thought was interesting - it's a tosser/scanner that chucks all PGP messages into a different directory. It says in the DOCs that this could be to forward PGP mail directly and make sure it gets to its destination (without getting chucked somewhere in between) OR to be able to return it to sender (which would be accept- able instead of being erased). ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL3D396Vk4K5QyJmlAQFRPQP8C/4Os6gYHsHRkMwyVwByGKQiZlIhN4Ms Yw7mI+pq2mwFxvNAUS1vdVdDl9oIf+Wg4DUsPpNyPlzl+0RuK4EzVFqFtotmjAq3 BFQST8+sUUPknhhazMyPehv4EoyLurLNcFtf7h2m8fkfCqhbk6cp1o3M3Guuj6jY OUeGL2s2+Uk= =dgXr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Michael.Babcock@f30.n224.z1.fidonet.org 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Babcock Area: Public Key Encryption To: JEFF TROWBRIDGE 20 Mar 95 11:07:00 Subject: pgp -ew switch UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- JT> Ok, thanks for the clarification. Now that brings up another JT> question. If I defrag occasionally, does that overwrite any JT> sectors that were deleted and are now available? Most of them, and if you're running SD (from Norton), you can turn on "wipe empty sectors" to completely clear the erased files. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL22oIKVk4K5QyJmlAQF//QQAjGnE6lqlmM+C/6fbnS2gfP7U3Sp2IRhH FWAkIjGQJYNVM7BLtLHMg9k+0lZHzw3RuC3FAdLBgwHR6FmRk7AAtobkyLnix8/w 4xzypDshid7ERXfGgQdnIjCctukyZo7I9fS6nUF/GFmT1ngzVB3KWc0LAOT4vigg Pqjyejb81JM= =tOFd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ~~~ PGPBLUE 3.0 ... Michael.Babcock@f30.n224.n1.fidonet.org ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Babcock Area: Public Key Encryption To: JIM GORGES 22 Mar 95 22:44:00 Subject: pgpblue problem UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jim said something about Re: pgpblue problem to Bruce on 03-10-95 22:30 ... BD> Have you put the following in your autoexec.bat? BD> SET PGPPATH=C:\ "ENTER YOUR PATH TO PGP" BD> This fixed my problem. JG> Been there, done that....still no improvement. Automatic decryption JG> still doesn't work. If you do QWK Mail, AUTO-PGP is the way to go... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL3D3/6Vk4K5QyJmlAQHLQwP/Q4RKuBy6LJsj6CTp4Yok8x/o84WFsZ/g GwK/4PFBGxCmJNYAaXs6nwDIFpddAmj4v7T2pY07b97ysOKuFmQX3M2j1gPxrOyW wXA3coGku+bNtLO+YNJqOqnqmsvZekhjf0qEGU8598gFa6Axj6skMXiiB17/y5Pu iCIJq6dEUsA= =zjbq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Michael.Babcock@f30.n224.z1.fidonet.org 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Babcock Area: Public Key Encryption To: SHAWN MCMAHON 22 Mar 95 23:18:00 Subject: Quotes as passphrase UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Shawn said something about Quotes as passphrase to Richard on 03-05-95 01:22 .. SM> Despite the stern warnings of the tribal elders, Richard Dale said SM> this to Shawn Mcmahon: RD> And I pointed out that I *have* done the monitoring before, a point RD> which you conveniently ignored. RD> The whole unit should be shielded. Please read some literature RD> on the subject and get up to speed with what's going on. SM> I asked for the names of articles and/or texts showing I was wrong, a SM> point which you conveniently ignored. Hmm, the fact that he DID this isn't good enough? I say we quit, this guy's a radical and won't admit defeat... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL3D4CKVk4K5QyJmlAQE2tgP/V9tyiClGTgMa7xSjDMXXhsgeJMKzcyje osd4Lmtn4i56/YETPB5Gujc8Dho6ffOsj29qtYi6azjXf6QXFU/b8GKw4hetB+zi tVKNndToIVVhVVCELdVrXrWGoWMlvXBw9dS0EYvCusnCYcbgUd8KAw7x1UAfZW9B 7E3G3R59i1k= =T5wh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Michael.Babcock@f30.n224.z1.fidonet.org 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Michael Babcock Area: Public Key Encryption To: SHAWN MCMAHON 22 Mar 95 23:22:00 Subject: Quotes as passphrase UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Shawn said something about Quotes as passphrase to Jeffrey on 03-08-95 12:30 .. SM> If you intend to use that necessary user intervention as proof that SM> computers can't produce random numbers, then be aware that by the same SM> logic, hammers can't drive nails. Which they can't, we USE hammers to drive nails, they can't do it by themselves. You're saying a computer CAN, it CAN'T. SM> echo. Since that also appears to be your definition source for SM> randomness (absolutely random, as opposed to indetectable from SM> randomness) I think you'd be more comfortable in PHYSICS or SCIENCE. Most cryptographers are mathematiciens - which is science for our purpose. BTW, if the cryptographic definition of randomness is different, why DOES PGP use human randomness instead of the computer's? Because cryptography requires TRUE randomness to be secure in any form. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL3D4EaVk4K5QyJmlAQFLFwP9EV8A62MveVWQsnZU/ptcFTIpZpDcYwRM +gUneo3oxuyLDmtLc1alcIXyUPS0xu3X3D3U/cL0vJkaO36ioUVhK2uYC7byGLc7 2NzC0KmYrt1ajVunzjnMZ4yEag2M+R6QzmqEdoCYZ0KZdNGZ54NOCkUVA+FmX5jJ tYTuTS3oQwU= =SDrk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Michael.Babcock@f30.n224.z1.fidonet.org 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Marius Strom Area: Public Key Encryption To: Moderator 18 Mar 95 22:48:20 Subject: Encrypted Messages UpdReq Are encrypted messages allowed in this echo? Ditto with signed messages... -=-Marius Strom-=- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Marius Strom Area: Public Key Encryption To: Donald Price 22 Mar 95 15:03:00 Subject: Re: In response to bye!/2 UpdReq DP> DP> ~~~ PGPBLUE v1.7 DP> Yikes! You do realize that PGPBlue 3.0 is out, don't you?!? -=-Marius Strom-=- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Armando Ortiz Area: Public Key Encryption To: Shawn McMahon 23 Mar 95 11:36:02 Subject: In response to bye!/2 UpdReq To summarize the valid points to this: o - Zorch (what a name..hahaha...) doesn't know where to shop for a computer... o - Zorch has not done research on Internet pricing plans and is too lazy to do so. I have Prodigy for free and, thus, get Internet access for free, including the Web. Even if I didn't have Prodigy, I could STILL have the Internet through IBM or someone else for ALMOST free...go figger? o - IBM's OS/2 comes with I-Net software to access the Internet...I, personally, have not tried it yet, however, it looks pretty good... :) o - Windows 95? Try Windows 2000... o - FidoNet is not the grassroots. It may be as far as amateur networks go, but Internet is, by far, much superior. Armando --- KWQ/2 1.2i I'm an OS/2 developer...I don't NEED a life! VQWK 6.20 [Rev H - 04/04/94] 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Donald Rose Area: Public Key Encryption To: All 23 Mar 95 00:38:00 Subject: Inquiry UpdReq What's the newest version of PGP? And where can I get it? I used to have a copy, but the instructions were a bit complex and I seem to have lost it somewhere. Perhaps accidently deleted. ... Donald.Rose@f506.n103.z1.fidonet.org/donrose@kaiwan.com / 03 Mar 95 ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Donald Rose Area: Public Key Encryption To: Christopher Baker 23 Mar 95 00:38:00 Subject: Re: Re: Unauthorized Info UpdReq CB> the only export restriction is on encryption software. not shells for CB> encryption software. CB> if your program doesn't encrypt, it isn't subject to ITAR restrictions CB> so you've got nothing to worry about. I think it's pretty stupid for the government to assume that the software has not left the country, and is not in regular use by now. All they'd have to do is intercept an encrypted message comming from outside the country, to prove it. Hopefully it won't happen for 20 years. ... NUKE RUSH LIMBAUGH! NUKE RUSH LIMBAUGH! NUKE LIMBAUGH NOW! NUKE! NUKE! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Jeffrey Bloss Area: Public Key Encryption To: John Schofield 22 Mar 95 00:19:00 Subject: Poker? UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- JS>> Are my messages getting out? I posted a message on this topic earlier. T They're getting out ok... but I think you're missin' the point. JS>> 1) Any protocol that involves a dealer or trusted third party is FLAWED. The whole idea behind "mental poker" is to allow one party to participate as a dealer and still maintain a secure protocol. My idea was to try and develop a mental poker protocol that did not lean on session keys and/or encrypted messages, yet reduced or eliminated the need for a trusted dealer. I wanted to play with something that could be implemented within the confines of this conference, and I chose mental poker because it's namesake is a bit more familiar than something like "Graph Isomorphic Proofs". 8-O JS>> Reinventing the wheel may be fun, but it isn't very useful. Do you believe *everything* must be mind-numbingly useful? Why do you assume everyone is familiar with mental poker in the first place... or that working out even a flawed version has no value? One of the first things you'll learn about crypto... dissecting your mistakes is the best way to learn the craft, and picking apart another person's mistakes is even better. OTOH, if you do think it's a frivolous exercise, you can *always* move on to the next message... JS>> 3) The reference for this (and for just about every other crypto issue) i JS>> Bruce Schneier's _Applied Cryptography_, copyright 1994 by John Wiley and Applied Cryptography is *a* reference, not *THE* reference. It's a fine text if your a C programmer wanting a general overview of crypto and some source code building blocks, but it's scope makes it necessarily limited. It's no "mathematical authority". What do you think all those numbers in the square thingies are for anyway? :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: -=[ Privacy Through Random Acts Of Encryption ]=- iQCVAwUBL2+zT+kStfMM4BMZAQFIrwP+O+tY5N5ioDpY5RWny+uWfT8uFtWoPv+z NY2j6JXAin+ctDwlKk4U3MFcN616CEFafhJmS3xEU1b/WiUtRqZ/q5yEJjx9x/5+ lr6LJV/rrjUQ19y02HPHz028/6stpiwJ7Dlo9Sa2zbPh+V7/bmGTRUMV5RQ5gWCv qxvbxbGVFkM= =8o+1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- jbloss@meadville.com -=- 1:2601/551.0 -=- ->5317 PGP v2.6.2 public encryption key available by request. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718