From: Scott Miller Area: Public Key Encryption To: All 18 Feb 95 00:29:00 Subject: .ZIP cracker UpdReq I am looking for the fastest (if you can use the word fast) zip password cracker available. Preferably from someone in Zone 1 and FREQable. Scott 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: L P Area: Public Key Encryption To: All 19 Feb 95 08:54:00 Subject: Offline Readers & Pgp UpdReq What QWK mail offline readers that incorporate PGP are you using that you especially like? What do you particularly like/dislike about them? Where can I FREQ them to try them? Thanks, L P ~~~ VbReader V1.4 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: L P Area: Public Key Encryption To: Scott Mills 19 Feb 95 08:06:00 Subject: Unauthorized Entry UpdReq <<***** On 02-19-95, SCOTT MILLS wrote to ARMANDO ORTIZ: *****>> SM> Well, I've beta tested OS/2 2.1, and both Warp betas. No SM>questionares required. For 2.1 all it took was a call to an 800 number SM>and a mailing address to get two copies mailed off. Run your beta test SM>how you want but requiring that kind of info wont get you an honest SM>cross-section of potential users. SM>Considering the large negative reaction you got on this echo I'd say SM>the testers you get will not be those most likely to use your final SM>product. I've followed this from the beginning, and my 2 cents just finally burned a hole in my pocket. When I saw the original posting for beta testers for a *privacy product* that required so much irrelevant personal information, I had to look at my calendar to see that it was not April 1 yet. (The mere fact that someone is willing to put up with the aggravations of beta testing and documenting bugs should endear them to the developer. Anyone who is not really serious about it will just drop the project and be no loss.) Then, I double-checked the posting to see that it really hadn't asked for a social security number too. My next thoughts were that a developer in this context who is so arrogant and has so little regard for privacy may also be one to put in "back doors" for his own benefit, or his employer's (the NSA?). After all (just as a "paranoid", if not technically realistic, example), if everyone were to end up using a product that made it appear that files had been wiped from the disk, but kept them, they would be available to be seized. The developers may very well end up producing an exceptionally good product. But, they have blown it on their PR. I could never trust them or their product, and if anyone asked me for my recommendation, I would tell them about what the developer posted here. I expect that the natural response of any prospective users will likely be the same one I and everyone else in this echo had. As with any seller/customer relationship, the developers can flame or criticize or argue back, but they can only lose if they do so instead of adapting or shutting up. L P ~~~ VbReader V1.4 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: L P Area: Public Key Encryption To: Chris Adams 19 Feb 95 08:47:02 Subject: Unauthorized Info Gatheri UpdReq <<***** On 02-19-95, CHRIS ADAMS wrote to ARMANDO ORTIZ: *****>> CA>This is a complete mistake. You should really check on individuals, CA>as there are many under 18, like myself, who would do far better at CA>grading software (and helping you track bugs) than your desired 21+ CA>people. With computers, age has relatively little value. Of course, most CA>people don't really seem to act mature until around 27 or so, so you CA>might just want 30-40 year olds... You are right -- the developer's reasons regarding discriminating by age were based upon speculation and his own prejudices. But, you'll notice that the developer never really was interested in your age since he doesn't have any procedure for verifying it. This was a key question in his response that he avoided answering. L P ~~~ VbReader V1.4 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Gordon Campbell Area: Public Key Encryption To: All 19 Feb 95 21:54:28 Subject: Digital Notary, anyone? UpdReq The following article appeared in the February 10 issue of ComputerWorld Canada (For Canada's Information Systems Professionals) and it struck me as having several PGP-like functions. Does anybody know anything about this program? Software notarizes with E-fingerprint New desktop computer software from Surety Technologies Inc. gives corporations a way to electronically notarize and time-stamp important documents. Companies have commonly had paper documents certified by notaries in order to prove the document's authenticity. The new software, used in conjunction with an Internet-based archive service, for the first time gives companies a way to notarize documents electronically over a network through the Digital Notary System. With the Digital Notary client software for Windows or Unix running on desktop computers, users compress and time-stamp a file employing a mathematical algorithm, called a "hash." Each time-stamped document's hash is as unique as a fingerprint, so only the identical document would produce the same fingerprint. Does this ring a bell? At first glance, I'd have to say that somebody either doesn't know what the hell they're talking about or they "dummied-up" the info a tad too much. ;-) Cheers, .....G ... Rover! Look out for that truck%u*8> NO TERRIER 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Jerome Greene Area: Public Key Encryption To: jason carr 20 Feb 95 18:54:58 Subject: Re: Do you guys think this type of thing is constructive? Comments?Up -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Scrying through the eye of Satryr, The Grear saw "Do you guys think this type of thing is constructive Comments" --> Note: jc> Forwarded (from: netmail) by jason carr using timEd. jc> Original was from jason carr to Patty Morris. jc> Patty Morris wrote in a message to Chris Shocklee: PM> Encrypted messages, PGP signatures, etc, should be not PM> used in this echo. If you feel the need for secrecy, use PM> direct netmail, or better yet, a telephone. :-) I can understand not posting an encrypted message in an echo, since by the definition echomail is to *All* anyway. Is she (Patty Morris) the Moderator in MECCA? I agree with what you said to her. -= Jerome Greene =- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBL0k5xHF52VfebiBFAQEZAQP+OXz7kMYwb0ixtqBq9NuMmhZo5nRSU5oZ EeuH0BfzN3caUDJfKh8gRvunqGrSAaMAtFKfop6TgKYanGOaMk7ORfyUWhgM8YZO 2PDFYeSOmvbci1xQFH5n0OMCK3YQNmEx9z9LrehXQejuQ/pP1cwavZeAN2AJmb6A UF6S8oOY9vY= =MhOo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- **EZ-PGP v1.07 ... Here I run, to steal the secret of the sun. ___Messenger V1.2 [Reg] 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Brian Mitchell Area: Public Key Encryption To: Neil Ansley 20 Feb 95 14:09:04 Subject: Encryption UpdReq NA> Hello All! NA> I am really new at this encryption stuff, and I was just wondering if NA> anybody had a FAQ or something telling about IDEA NA> and PGP and whatever, NA> especially as regarding the mathematical basis of it, etc. Thank you. Well, there is a sci.crypt faq i believe. If you have net access, scrounge around on rtfm.mit.edu <- god i love that name for a ftp site) and look for it... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christopher Baker Area: Public Key Encryption To: Jeffrey Bloss 20 Feb 95 15:19:08 Subject: Re: Re: comment line [Was: Re UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In a message dated: 18 Feb 95, Jeffrey Bloss was quoted as saying: JB> No... I really didn't think to tell Phillip. Think it's really JB> that important... or just "handy". depends on whether it's a feature or a bug. [grin] TTFN. Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP 2.6.2 is LEGAL in Zone 1! So USE it! [grin] iQCVAwUBL0j5QMsQPBL4miT5AQEM7AP9Gja4RGLyHLq1NNLOgfN7D/SEeft+kG04 9T2j5D6/ey99aN9IXSkdeTKRS9cc9ZLyyI5RBS5A6gt228pZ16pm3D/1Zg5zpvAO xrTeajjMDsmebwVlnzA1N69nDMjX130PBBNDRCCXtREaG1Cqxo3LhSXSn546or45 Af+nrz1ORW4= =ouiB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christopher Baker Area: Public Key Encryption To: Mike Lenker 20 Feb 95 15:20:34 Subject: Re: Re: quotes as passphrase UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In a message dated: 18 Feb 95, Mike Lenker was quoted as saying: ML> Can someone list a source for SECDEV, please? I'm a happy user of SECDEV12.ZIP is available here. that's the last one i've seen. TTFN. Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP 2.6.2 is LEGAL in Zone 1! So USE it! [grin] iQCVAwUBL0j5lMsQPBL4miT5AQGv+wP/cI352HXDwxlaWKX5VvrNUS0jkgUYGWD7 QmagDNqTadaONOrmhSHQ4iv6Jf3mm8LDkslO5dVOSPFXEh5pq6Q3PKFeM7twv6mO /ogzrH8T5sUaK9dTLqymr91abiZxbMqucNJZkeAyFBV8OWl6FA/tboT2Lfkpf69t IY9dSKSS37Y= =z0WC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: David K. M. Klaus Area: Public Key Encryption To: Christopher Baker 20 Feb 95 08:34:54 Subject: PGP-related filename conventions in FidoNetUpdReq What about PGP for the 8-bit Apple II and the Apple IIgs? We unreconstructed Apple II users like communications privacy, too, y'know. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Bill Brown Area: Public Key Encryption To: Christopher Baker 20 Feb 95 03:35:08 Subject: where are they? UpdReq Hello Chris, Saturday February 18 1995 18:33, Christopher Baker wrote to All: CB> can someone post a msg from Armando Oritz showing his path line? ============================================================================= * Forwarded by Bill Brown (1:2613/246) * Area : PUBLIC_KEYS (Public key encryption conference) * From : Armando Ortiz, 1:206/2406 (Monday February 13 1995 05:00) * To : Scott Mills * Subj : unauthorized info gatheri ============================================================================= @MSGID: 1:206/2406@FIDOnet 00007718 @PID: VFIDO 6.20.00 Gamma Candidate 10 ->@AREA:PUBLIC_KEYS -> ->-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ->Tuesday February 07 1995, Christopher Baker writes to Armando Ortiz: -> AO>> o - Your FULL NAME (F, M, & L) -> CB> okay. why the middle? rarely does anyone use the middle in ->e-mail. -> Why do you assume that? I've always used my middle name in email. ->What I don't use is my first. I get your point about this guy though. ->It sounds more like a scheme to gather names for a junk mail list ->than a beta test. It's not a mailing list. I do not plan to sell, nor give, for that matter, any information about my beta testers is kept strictly confidential and nobody will have it. That's one of many things I will promise. Armando Ortiz Solortiz Development Teams --- POW 1.2 0052 What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED don't you understand? VQWK 6.20 [Rev H - 04/04/94] -+- VFIDO 6.20.00 Gamma Candidate 10 + Origin: Cracking Corner II (1:206/2406) @PATH: 206/2406 2401 3615/50 396/1 270/101 2613/5 ============================================================================= There you have it. :) That FIRST message has scrolled off, but here's the most recent message I have from him, complete with kludge lines. The last four are my net's normal inbound path, FWIW. CB> i see many replies to his traffic since his first msg about the beta CB> testing but not a single one of them came here in original form. Is my copy different than yours? Bill Brown 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Bill Brown Area: Public Key Encryption To: Scott Mills 20 Feb 95 03:58:08 Subject: Golded @enc: PGP UpdReq Hello Scott, Saturday February 18 1995 00:08, Scott Mills wrote to Joe Eversole: SM>>> Does anyone have any further info on this kludge? SM> A feature that was easily disabled in a few minutes with a hex SM> editor. I'm not sure what Odinn had in mind, but he DID seem to be supportive of PGP in earlier versions. Perhaps he's planning on adding some auto-??? features in the future? Like say, auto-signature-checking? OR perhaps, he's planning on doing something like the anonymous remailers handle, with encrypted remailer addresses for encrypted reply-to addresses? I can hear the "chirp" now, with the box popping up saying, "Message is encrypted, Press Enter to decrypt, Esc to ignore" :) While you were in there with the hex editor, did you happen to notice any OTHER code that UTILIZED that kludge? :) I don't have a clue about FSC-0073 either, but I've asked in NET_DEV and will be watching for a reply. Bill Brown 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Glen Todd Area: Public Key Encryption To: Alan Pugh 20 Feb 95 13:56:36 Subject: Can I Freq Pgp? UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bright the day, Alan! Saturday February 18 1995 12:55, Alan Pugh wrote to Richard Dale: AP> pgpblue works pretty well with bluewave, but i don't know how well AP> with other readers. it won't do much for your signing times though as AP> that is a function of your keysize. (my 3k-bit key takes 2 minutes to AP> sign/encrypt) I've got another one here, called PGPwave (Canadian and freeware) that I like. Seems to be faster (although I'm not sure why) and has some functions PGPBlue misses. I run it with both Bluewave and GoldED (for the fancier functions). AP> automatically passed through pgp. i created a bomb that is a signed AP> ascii armored file while i was playing around that is just 1,120 AP> bytes long. if pgp gets hold of it it will expand into a 20 megabyte AP> file. i believe this may someday become a problem with anonymous AP> remailers as someone can easily spam a remailer network and really I don't really like anonymous remailers, and this is one of the reasons. AP> overload them in a big way. the only way i've found that will stop AP> such a bomb from exploding is to decrypt the file on a floppy. (it AP> will run out of disk space during the 2nd pass) You could do the same using a small (100-1000K) RAMdrive. Wind to thy wings, Glen ... I KNEW it! I'm surrounded by assholes! - --- GoldED/386 2.50.B1016+ Gamma -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Joe McCarthy would have loved the Clipper chip. iQEVAwUBL0kDdksDfAvy+TXBAQGFkAf+KlqbfyVjBmUUvPWItXe9AxMzUUDqTV2c 4E9JV7RdboxnVaiWXwdcWyaAbO2ahlZ9Q2u2RgPgvZCCUgJG1BZxwaqq5UL4EcHP XQ88bagbpQD6ec+/WDa5m/q1jGdXWmoPpjT3dIBvFGgEPJhYe+ljOVbV6/uSK3TI 4S+tTMlOqSh98o8Q6j2vDY16iO/OpXpHJ7aPh9FVqkfDCQ6nJXp/CEDRaKnmW47C o7/BHtAJA0elsN5JKuAFXr1o4CDe4Cpy6IuhO3jTbjQ1xPEL8sakt7Fp6NaIXP4c mFV+90xOdxDkzvmu+I/CoCIfdwp+6nSL36XDJfVeP5PoToUbn45jpw== =Sj7t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Glen Todd Area: Public Key Encryption To: Richard Dale 20 Feb 95 14:05:40 Subject: Can I Freq Pgp? UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bright the day, Richard! Saturday February 18 1995 12:55, Alan Pugh wrote to Richard Dale: RD>> Of course, that means the offline readers will have to catch up RD>> and use PGP so it's transparent. I use PGP in a batch file, but it I don't know that complete transparency is the ticket -- too much chance of leaving something unprotected by mistake -- but I'd definitely like to see a _much_ higher level of integration, both on the reader level and on the FTSC (message/packet) level. Wind to thy wings, Glen ... The world is like a cactus -- except that all the pricks are inside. - --- GoldED/386 2.50.B1016+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Joe McCarthy would have loved the Clipper chip. iQEVAwUBL0kE7UsDfAvy+TXBAQGtiwf+OeLHLQAYI6BZoMhbNdTFXHCc7aQMdOFk qMPPEamp7ZzheTa+i1DZpzT1cWCKbr2oXyS6td0xWuzVTZk/l3yloC9ZIxkzOZWy HOpmAJ6nVkEUq7KUTUQViyu4rfHlIdwC6yHp3JEhOyfEtNPvDs8QOPBc4x1Artcv JuasKmgMp1hSYH2DSSt3mEtagAMu3mFKVaq08g46aBo8lfvMoSe6Ts9V98E20eoT OVX58Gv5OO066f++h8D0qBub2zLRhV9hF0V2/WpAVdx+JcxxqNGEt5tkqcjqMeDE RyjChxeSUTfSi8WUOjt7BYb3Y4gNxL2vkAFP6m0utx86/4bknzyQ7w== =rEBE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Glen Todd Area: Public Key Encryption To: Jeffrey Bloss 20 Feb 95 14:10:44 Subject: unauthorized info gatheri UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bright the day, Jeffrey! Friday February 17 1995 15:39, Jeffrey Bloss wrote to Armando Ortiz: AO>>> PGP is illegal outside of the United States. Beta testing UAE outside AO>>> of the U.S. would not only make the project void, but would bring out JB> Untrue. :) JB> There's an export version of PGP, and technically I suppose, using the JB> non-export version outside the US and Canada can not be deemed JB> "illegal". There ARE no restrictions on use... only export, and even JB> then it's only applicable to those under the sphere of US governmental JB> control. Right on both counts. Export restrictions are just that, _export_ restrictions. Once PGP makes it across the border (which 2.6.2 did, within hours of release) Big Brother no longer has any say in the matter (wuch though he'd like to convince us otherwise.) Wind to thy wings, Glen ... Please cut my pizza in six slices - I can't eat eight. - --- GoldED/386 2.50.B1016+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Joe McCarthy would have loved the Clipper chip. iQEVAwUBL0kGi0sDfAvy+TXBAQFOKAf/cQj8IVzBaXa8LrJxTTn27Hgq3pLPk+rW 3UCpDPOKwy0Wajfmv9ZMbLs7SxVYg+7Qr1stiYsPATNQkrTh1CynVdQqjBQeeULe 31F/l5MWRVmLmM/yJ70hqXtfO8l8juwF7xTxga3AF0n5s67Aov8LlYfOTL7tAkLz D/1r8HjGTastK0aoGOf+HC1kALoSoYg/g6+3JXBImwMEepTqz2KtkQyl7y9izP1b DkE0P81cql973hK9zLMrmxhkhPDumvaEdd6ACfSNOe9ZSX1kqSTMNWkPTUPcyRZF vE1GkTIWeq42ukDJjRfmfRfFe7jiXMkazkSWXHQHZsAgudRlc7rDwA== =+LQF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Doug Muth Area: Public Key Encryption To: Alan Pugh 20 Feb 95 19:09:00 Subject: Re: Can I Freq Pgp? UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Greetings Alan Pugh! AP> pgpblue works pretty well with bluewave, but i don't know how well AP> with other readers. it won't do much for your signing times though as Well, the way PGP is integrated into Bluewave, the PGP interface program is run as the "editor". It should be very simple to do this for other readers. Doug.... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: My PGP key is requestable from the keyservers on the Internet. iQCVAwUBL0kvGx0LJlIsPN1JAQFlbQQAkigChHELC78KzXxZJM776eJrsKd8aagx dC4RugCGHQL+4SztzDUtpiRo80LZ2tXN/1Ma3Ty1zmnDu9BW8aFBMP/RC7dtwap8 lR2g99DKRfqxdefdNNK25aVXApvN0BEx1RZ/pePTLujrGeIl1kLNXJYDu0l+HlCn fu6JI/HwP0I= =hlms -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ~~~ PGPLoad 1.2 -[UNREGISTERED]- ... Drinking problem? I drink, get drunk, fall down. No problem. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Brad Stiles Area: Public Key Encryption To: Chrisopher Baker 20 Feb 95 07:42:00 Subject: Unauthorized Entry UpdReq ============================================================================= * Forwarded by Brad Stiles (1:280/119) * Area : PUBLIC_KEYS (PGP Discussion) * From : Armando Ortiz, 1:206/2406 (13 Feb 95 05:00) * To : Bill Brown * Subj : Unauthorized Entry ============================================================================= @MSGID: 1:206/2406@FIDOnet 00007719 @PID: VFIDO 6.20.00 Gamma Candidate 10 ->@AREA:PUBLIC_KEYS -> ->Hello Richard, ->Tuesday February 07 1995 12:06, Richard Dale wrote to Armando Ortiz: -> AO>> * o - Your mailing address -> AO>> * (Sorry, no P.O. Boxes accepted, please include City, -> AO>> * State, Zip, and if any, Apartment #'s) -> RD> Sounds interesting, but what does some of this stuff have to ->do RD> with the price of beans in China? I use a PO Box, period. -> This RD> may put me out of the running, but that's the way it ->is. Sounds RD> a wee bit fishy to me. ->And I would have to agree with you. I've used the same PO Box for ->the past decade and a half, at least. There's no software that will ->change that. Of course, the request for my home phone number is also ->too fishy for my tastes. The information is needed. If you don't like the requests, don't respond and don't become part of the beta team. Simply put, don't try to douse someone's fire just because you don't agree with the way it was started. Armando Ortiz Solortiz Development Teams --- POW 1.2 0052 Athiest Christmas movie: "Coincidence on 34th Street." VQWK 6.20 [Rev H - 04/04/94] -+- VFIDO 6.20.00 Gamma Candidate 10 + Origin: Cracking Corner II (1:206/2406) @PATH: 206/2406 2401 3615/50 396/1 280/1 ============================================================================= Hello Chrisopher! This what you needed? Brad CIS: 76450,3637 || Fido: 1:280/119 || Internet: stilesb@mqg-smtp3.usmc.mil 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Jim Trudeau Area: Public Key Encryption To: All 20 Feb 95 06:25:42 Subject: PGPBLUE - Where??? UpdReq I'd like to download the current copy of PGPBLUE (v3.0 I think...). What BBS's can I get the most up to date version from? ... Drop your carrier ... we have you surrounded! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Shawn McMahon Area: Public Key Encryption To: Ian Hebert 21 Feb 95 11:28:44 Subject: Inquiry UpdReq Despite the stern warnings of the tribal elders, Ian Hebert said this to Shawn Mcmahon: IH> According to what I read, this would only be true of IDEA were part of a IH> class of function known as a "group". To date, from what I've read it IH> has not yet been demonstrated whether IDEA is a group or not. I just grabbed Schneier's book and re-read it; the only indication he mentioned that it wasn't a group was X. Lai's opinion. However, it probably isn't a group, and of course RSA isn't a block algorithm and can't have the same problem. Just be sure to encrypt 3 times, instead of 2, just in case Schneier is wrong about variants on the "meet in the middle" attack being impossible with IDEA. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718