From: Jim Bell Area: Public Key Encryption To: DAVID CHESSLER 12 Feb 95 21:03:00 Subject: Pgp news UpdReq -=> Quoting David Chessler@1:109/459 to Jim Bell <=- JB> JBl> That's all Philip Zimmermann needs... a bunch of intimidating >letters > JBl> sent to the prosecutor. :( JB>That assumes that the letters are "intimidating." What about a few >dozen "NICE" letters... mailed to his house? DC> Give up. You're wrong. Dangerously wrong. "Baaaaahh! Baaaaahh!" I love your sheep imitation! DC> Even "nice" letters to the house would be taken as "we know where you DC> live," and as a threat. Well, given that he's a government thug, you may be right that he'd interpret them in that way. But if that's indeed the case, then we REALLY NEED to apply as much pressure as we can, and unless the letters contain actual threatening language, they won't be legally actionable. And, of course, nothing stops us from writing NICE, yet UNSIGNED letters. JB>Acting like sheeple (you _do_ know what a "sheeple" is, don't you?!?) >only encourages the thugs to continue their previous abuse. DC> Cheap threats are worse. Stop misrepresenting my notes. You don't get 'debate points' by lying about somebody else's statements. DC> The militias in Michigan and elsewhere have the feds shitting bricks DC> (pardon the expression), but they don't threaten a thing. They just say DC> they're to defend against tyranny--and then give examples of armed DC> raids on the house of someone. Let's look very carefully at what you just said. You said militias are not threatening, but they scare the Feds. Right? Indicating that the Feds can get VERY nervous even when nobody is doing anything illegal. Well, if that's the case perhaps we've got to ask WHY. DC> But they never mention individual prosecutors, or BATF agents, or DC> anyone else. If they did that, they would be put away and the key lost. On what charges? "Felony 'mentioning' "? DC> Unless you have a militia, you are just a pest, and they will squash DC> you--and PRZ--like a cockroach. The whole country is working on the project of forming and organizing these militias. How about your flock? ... Is your church approved by the BATF? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christopher Baker Area: Public Key Encryption To: Ian Hebert 13 Feb 95 01:49:42 Subject: Re: Can I Freq Pgp? UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In a message dated: 10 Feb 95, Ian Hebert was quoted as saying: IH> The supreme irony here is that, according to what I've read, IH> Fidonet founder Tom Jennings is an avid PGP user, and privacy IH> activist.... that is correct. it was his participation and urging that got us to start this and the PKEY_DROP Echos. unfortunately, TJ no longer takes an active role in FidoNet ops. he is still available at: tomj@fido.wps.com if anyone wants to chat with him about it. TTFN. Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP 2.6.2 is LEGAL in Zone 1! So USE it! [grin] iQCVAwUBLz8BCssQPBL4miT5AQGodwP+KZlqyJWxi04nmNG1FaL0kIKhpvzcX3x0 ffeaxUwSi2CQY4A26CjQoqOy/QCODkRrRxo3+CBsOBRwMTcnNs7vpP2msGgsKua8 ziKcGKMU+PWdMSo3nn1g6ggfGgw5TVRFsheJVnHQGncn71crIdwSaweFXOwMKLM8 3mAY97pFwug= =GIaa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christopher Baker Area: Public Key Encryption To: Scott Mills 13 Feb 95 01:52:50 Subject: Re: unauthorized info gathering instead? [Was: Unauthorized Entry]UpdR -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In a message dated: 10 Feb 95, Scott Mills was quoted as saying: AO>> o - Your FULL NAME (F, M, & L) CB> okay. why the middle? rarely does anyone use the middle in e-mail. SM> Why do you assume that? I've always used my middle name in email. SM> What I don't use is my first. i meant a three name byline. sorry for the confusion. SM> I get your point about this guy though. It sounds more like a scheme SM> to gather names for a junk mail list than a beta test. a conspiracy nut might say it was an obvious attempt by a government agent to identify pro-encryption folks. [grin] TTFN. Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP 2.6.2 is LEGAL in Zone 1! So USE it! [grin] iQCVAwUBLz8BxssQPBL4miT5AQFmJwP8DcomImJgtd9V1SbycQnhdnypMNGyk0B7 WiGSgHiAdCUzvULjCSqgEOLgScVQ53fGa56bH70+a6kaweJfRSY1nyth+X4Uits0 WGb/EysQ8HtDyUL7n+5eksIQTjNH7KuOaliCyuOai18v+r6pYUa66lkWVw1A8TSD z7I5kzy2X/c= =549I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Christopher Baker Area: Public Key Encryption To: Jeffrey Bloss 13 Feb 95 01:58:56 Subject: Re: comment line [Was: Re: Pa UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In a message dated: 10 Feb 95, Jeffrey Bloss was quoted as saying: CB>> have you tried double quotes? where did you pick up this info? JB> Figured it out all on my lonesome. ;) I was trying to add a high JB> ASCII comment... just to see if I could. Putting the comment in JB> quotes was something that occurred to me while trying to "contain" JB> the effects of the high ASCII characters. I'm not absolutely sure JB> if it occurs in EVERY case, but with clearsigs at least, high ASCII JB> mucks up the signature. :(( have you mentioned it to PRZ? [the quote justification thing i mean] do you also find hidden codes in video games for fun? [grin] JB> FWIW, those quotes can come in REAL handy... like working with keys. them i'm familiar with. JB> without the close quote and get the same effect. And you're right. JB> .. I don't see anything in the docs to tell you this. nothing more fun than undocumented 'features'. JB> Could be I messed up the reconfigure when I swapped hard drives. later ones were moved over to the right. JB> PGP drive. Had my keys backed up of course... but not the CONFIG JB> file. Duh! :) i hate it when that happens. [grin] thanks, for the info. TTFN. Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP 2.6.2 is LEGAL in Zone 1! So USE it! [grin] iQCVAwUBLz8DM8sQPBL4miT5AQGvAQP/d7dTOdD6E/ncBYcyEDIglHv6oO7HMWfi unXEY3bW6E6IpMCczl1lZcpvpod6QAJGzozjePmvHKoB0nJmp7uLrvQfjUX5rVzs RO0pLxU79rvAiVNPqbh9cEGm202buUvaIoYrsFkOgupDrAPagpPBkRi4LsIA3KtT Yfo9FaxaKQ4= =R3f6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Scott Mills Area: Public Key Encryption To: Glen Todd 12 Feb 95 19:12:38 Subject: Can I Freq Pgp? Pvt UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- GT> BTW, PGP is _encouraged_ on my board (High Reaches CyberSchool) and in the GT> echoes that I moderate. What echos are those? I notice from your PIDs that you are using Golded. I just upgraded to the new alpha release and notice I now get a kludge line on every PGPed message of "ENC: PGP". Your mess's don't have that line. Are you using the latest release? If not maybe this is just specific to the OS/2 release. Scott *Wench: What you use to turn the head of a dolt. Scott Mills 1024/26CD5D03 For my PGP key freq PGPKEY sm@f119.n265.z1.fidonet.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLz6ksyP6qSQmzV0DAQGOqwQAwP5T2ES768lo8P/lgDca1HOONOcsLgm2 sIMiJU7C9l6tICesTU14cE2300Z9MvjqamSLG4z6bk1F45XTpUZg1IRbNlwaQ56R cZhTyzgzgZJuaLCxFg9XI3wSmiV1vrY0JO4N1qrSTsnCPySFb18oi7aJh9/aEpVE zpucr9PXIiA= =W4nR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Jim Gorges Area: Public Key Encryption To: Mark Drew 13 Feb 95 18:43:42 Subject: Re: PGPBLUE UpdReq MD> Can anyone tell me where I can FTP Pgpblue? MD> Thanks I know OAK.OAKLAND.EDU had version 2.5 available in /SimTel/msdos/offline. I don't know if they have upgraded to version 3 or not. Jim Internet: Jim.Gorges@oubbs.telecom.uoknor.edu 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Scott Mills Area: Public Key Encryption To: Richard Dale 12 Feb 95 19:17:14 Subject: PGP Forever !!! UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Thursday February 09 1995, Richard Dale writes to William Hattenhauer: RD> Of course, since the House excluded the BATF from the warrantless RD> searches (thanks to one of my Missouri Representatives), that RD> means that relatively few of my family members will die flaming RD> deaths should a raid occur. Might also save a few BATF agents from dying flaming deaths. Considering the BATF's tendency toward excessive force in arrests many people would rather count on a jury than the BATF's "good judgement". Scott The Clinton Sex Scandal: Fornigate! Scott Mills 1024/26CD5D03 For my PGP key freq PGPKEY sm@f119.n265.z1.fidonet.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLz6m1yP6qSQmzV0DAQF7MgQA02XFxN2oTAIZzYZI4lEOvW8KXC/MqyOf k0AzbeKnc43TIQbMbNNon3zF2PFaCwtGpwep/C4zk0JL0OikpvijdISkVg98SaN1 iMvO0qphsyi9BbIHkcEpkUcFT2guKE7qtbgAVQLNdwAIz/Dy7MsO5eTGFH1gnjck dKV4wVN3Z48= =zyMf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Scott Mills Area: Public Key Encryption To: Donald Rose 12 Feb 95 19:28:38 Subject: Inquiry UpdReq Saturday February 11 1995, Donald Rose writes to Alan Pugh: DR> Better yet, take a .gif file and crypt it about 60 times DR> (the same file), so when they finally get it open they see DR> Bill the Cat looking at them with his tounge out. A good way would be to take a small file then ZOO, SQZ, LBR, LZH, PAK, ARC, and ZIP it. We used to put these digital boxes together to send off to boards with irritating UL/DL ratios. If you change the file extensions you could cost them alot of irritation trying to decrypt a SQZ or LBR. They probably want be able to identify those by the header. I'd have to dig into some old disks just to find an unSQZer. Scott I used to be sane, but I got better Scott Mills 1024/26CD5D03 For my PGP key freq PGPKEY sm@f119.n265.z1.fidonet.org --- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Scott Mills Area: Public Key Encryption To: Glen Todd 12 Feb 95 19:06:54 Subject: Can I Freq Pgp? Pvt UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- GT> Yeeesh! Where do they get all these clowns? Not familiar with the GT> echo named, but the guy sounds totally bananas. Maybe we ought to GT> consider going over there en masse and flooding the guy with clearsigned GT> messages suggesting that he get a life -- or at least a little knowlege GT> of computers.{grin} If you do send them to the co-mod not the mod. Stu Turk is the mod and seemed to me to be mainly backing up a decision by Ivan. I don't think he's either as ignorant or as anti-encryption. I thought about logging on to a local board or two as Ivan Schaefel and posting obnoxious mess's into DR_DEBUG. That would probably change his opinion on sigs. I hate to irritate other sysops though who have nothing to do with it. Scott Why can't I use a AK-47 instead of a sword in this ritual? Scott Mills 1024/26CD5D03 For my PGP key freq PGPKEY sm@f119.n265.z1.fidonet.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLz6jrSP6qSQmzV0DAQH80wP+JVd/ocdwDsDzbFlTJa3yreutgiJcLUNd uPQ7Wmz6BCQY3suvJpsrHYKGvnGdsxjcASupXW71xRKDcmNTS520VHA2edsPWyIc 7hiYTqjEyZywimUxLEAjXqjO7b0s/4DNH3gl+ocukFETvTGu6W6QnVg4/ucQTOTA 5YRucS75kfk= =kEZO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Guest Area: Public Key Encryption To: All 13 Feb 95 19:49:50 Subject: GUESS WHO?!?!?!? UpdReq IN THIS SCRAMBLE YO MUST RE-WRITE THE NAMES OF THE SONGS AND THEN TELL WHO THE BANDS ARE. MECO SA REA YOU - BAND ******* HENW I OMEC RONUDA- BAND ******** DBA ABHTI BAND= ********G 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Nolan Lee Area: Public Key Encryption To: Ted Rolle 14 Feb 95 00:55:04 Subject: Re: version for Linux UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Quoting Ted Rolle to Nolan Lee <=- NL> As of yet, I haven't been able to find the sorce for 2.6.2. ;-( TR> Are you serious? Hey guy, it's been a long time. I hope that you and your family are well. It was enough of a pain to find the executables archive. A lot of systems don't keep it available anymore for download or freq. I guess everyone's worried about someone from overseas downloading it and the feds going beserk. ;-( later, Nolan ___--BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: KGB FBI NSA BATF Haiti cocaine assassinate plutonium iQEVAwUBL0BTwu1cSW/6/UG5AQFPSAf+MxGhp1bLd0u3zKt0VgO14R5DmQuMA1wO WZZ6DZfuQ5BbIDhXF398CdoVWKJytSD223vHCHkpffKJj6g1C2aGKUVExv42OYxP GqDU8WyjC4cbWpI+QHEWQN9H1/VKhqIXoiFcMkBrEQSiRBfP897jIRtfuB9MCuSq J7ZoqpATBLCsHGJcmfKZXC57zL8nbDEq+2gpr6BFMOSAKKTDV3Fh5hJT87YiDV/W on+Eckxh22CRUEjqF2qJhbUrTnen4F3T8Qt60eTS/UF0CotBysW4u53IVwFBRnRh EDtgTFyPHXBDlzJ+ga5ytkz7oZItg9piQIOoVZ2JOYWt91yipSSnCw== =K66R ___--END PGP SIGNATURE----- ~~~ PGPLoad 1.2 -[UNREGISTERED]- ... Played poker with Tarot cards. Got a flush. 5 people died. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Shawn McMahon Area: Public Key Encryption To: Donald Rose 14 Feb 95 13:50:08 Subject: Re: Inquiry UpdReq Despite the stern warnings of the tribal elders, Donald Rose said this to Alan Pugh: DR> Better yet, take a .gif file and crypt it about 60 times DR> (the same file), so when they finally get it open they see DR> Bill the Cat looking at them with his tounge out. The extra encryption steps will just waste your time, not theirs. There'll be one key that can completely decrypt the final product, unless I have a fundamental misunderstanding of the principles involved. It won't necessarily be the key you expect, but if they're brute-force decrypting the thing they'll find that key, not your key. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rich Veraa Area: Public Key Encryption To: Scott Mills 15 Feb 95 08:10:28 Subject: Can I Freq Pgp? UpdReq -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In a message to Glen Todd, Scott Mills wrote: SM> If you do send them to the co-mod not the mod. Stu Turk is SM> the mod and seemed to me to be mainly backing up a decision SM> by Ivan. I don't think he's either as ignorant or as SM> anti-encryption. I thought about logging on to a local board SM> or two as Ivan Schaefel and posting obnoxious mess's into SM> DR_DEBUG. That would probably change his opinion on sigs. I SM> hate to irritate other sysops though who have nothing to do SM> with it. Scott, if you don't like these guys' echo, you're under NO OBLIGATION to post on it or to carry it on your board. Also, you're perfectly at liberty to start an echo with _your_ rules. If these guys are as total assholes as you describe, their users would flock to your echo and leave theirs to dry up and fall off the backbone. But in the meantime, it's SWtu's echo, and he's the only one with any right to make rules for his echo. Cheers, Rich -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: rveraa@907.sunshine.com iQCVAwUBL0HU2Z80iJ+tnwVVAQHjJAQAm298Aos/z6xA0k4SkAzvH9e6S1eAvAdG Cgvq+LVVal+xWbpT/hm5H97YkQvy/gYScB+oYxqLN6ARPOYhdD+5s7f9bu1Lekx4 d5W+WVSZ4sHXqBwGrT0KNyga54P8DIAO+v9YwFHAbT/3Unrmk7hUc0jZSHUQFBnM 08hTw8r/6Ac= =bkJY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718