From: Josh Norton Area: Night Side To: Turbator 10 Jul 92 19:36:02 Subject: Regarding Black Moon Pro UpdReq >Don't worry about BlackMoon. They do not own any >copyrights other than their own material. They do not pay >for any of the material submitted. They do not have a legal >leg to stand on. I plan to release as much of Blackmoon >archive material as I can get my hands on in the near >future. Relax and 93. Hey! I hope that you are planning on ASKING the authors before you start spreading their material around. Even if Black Moon doesn't have any legal rights on the material, the authors sure as hell do! Yes, they probably do want their material distributed, but I'm sure there's many of them who would consider it piracy if you went ahead without their OK. A little consideration will go a long way towards making your life easier. Do you really want a couple of hundred magicians throwing curses in your direction? <> * SLMR 2.1a * Follow a Paranoid 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Amazon Lil Area: Night Side To: Markie Chao 11 Jul 92 10:37:42 Subject: Dark, dark and dusty.... Rec'd UpdReq Well, as far as spreading stuff goes...I have taken it as my sworn dudy as a living avatar of Eris to spread as much Chaos and Confusion through the Universe as I possibly can....Does that make me a BLACK BROTHER???? (appropriate sound effects,) Lil 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Josh Norton Area: Night Side To: Markie Chao 11 Jul 92 13:03:04 Subject: Magazines Rec'd UpdReq >another British magazine, Chaos International, may be worthwhile to you. I >can post the address if you like. It focuses just on Chaos >and how Chaos Magicians relate to various issues. Very >good quality in general. Do, please. And the international subscription/postage rate, if you have it. Thanx. * SLMR 2.1a * I left my heart in Chichen Itza. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Hagbard Celine Area: Night Side To: All 11 Jul 92 10:28:00 Subject: Files Needed... UpdReq I am in need of whatever files I can find on necromancy. Anyone? The more the better. Leave node numbers and file names. I'll be more than happy to F'Req them. h/c 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Azoth Area: Night Side To: Charles Nemo 11 Jul 92 07:11:00 Subject: Lumley & HPL Rec'd UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. CN> A> great fun. Lumley, at least the Lovecraftian Lumley, is probably an CN> A> acquired taste, but.... CN> Yes, it is an acquired taste, like Ramsey Campbell. From the few short CN> stories I've seen, both of them can be very convoluted -- CN> not something to pcik up while dozing off to sleep late at CN> night. But I had no problem at all with the Wamphyri CN> novels. In fact, I'd zip through them in just a few CN> evenings. Nice stuff -- quite convincing.... I especially liked the tie-in with Lovecrafts's _Dexter_Ward_ in one of the later Wamphyri books; extremely well done. A lot of Campbell's work leaves me cold, but T.E.D. Klein's _Ceremonies_ and _Dark_Gods_ is rather more than merely suggestive of real NightSide practice; makes one wonder if he's getting his inspiration from the same depths we're Working. Ditto Wagner's _Sticks_. Unfortunately, the taste for 'Cosmic horror', vs the paltry mundane sort of King and CNN's Evening Report, is doomed by definition to remain ultimately unsatisfied, as familiarity breeds, if not contempt, certainly insight, and loss of sensation, as all earlier Decadents eventually peforce attained, or perished or faded in the attempt to transcend. CN> I suppose if I had more time, beautiful first editions of CN> SF stuff would become another addiction, but I find plenty CN> to do with non-fictional LHP reading and practice.... So far I've managed to avoid true addiction, but only by periodic injections of the Pure Stuff. Love is the Law, love under will. ___ X BABBLE v1.0 X Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Azoth Area: Night Side To: Charles Nemo 11 Jul 92 07:11:02 Subject: Necronomicon Rec'd UpdReq 93, Charles, CN> A> I paid about that for mine, which was a presentation copy from CN> A> Turner to Sherwin, and contains some quite acid comments, CN> Interesting that Sherwin would let something like that go. If his comments are any indication, he held the book in particularly low regard, as might also be concluded from an old newspaper clipping stuck in the back of the book containing Suster's _very_ negative review of same. (The article is entitled 'Colin Wilson Fraud Exposed.') The most interesting part of the book, to me at any rate, is a lengthy letter from a Dr. Hinterstoisser, going into the possible availability of the Booke to Lovecraft, and a speculative bit of pseudo-history linking Lovecraft's father with Egyptian Freemasonry. Also Turner's commentary pointing at Blavatsky's _Book_of_Dzyan_ as what he calls 'a somewhat fragmentary but none the less adequate mythological backdrop to the Cthulhu mythos.' The introduction by Colin Wilson, and closing essays by de Camp, Christopher Frayling and Angela Carter, are of some interest from a purely literary point of view. The actual excerpts from the NECRONOMICON are somewhat less convincing, as are the explanatory remarks of David Langford regarding their decryption from Dee's Liber Logaeth. It's magickal usefulness is, IMHO, quite limited, and is rather less suggestive than those quotes in Lovecraft's work, and Derleths. 93 93/93 ___ X BABBLE v1.0 X All words are sacred and all prophets true... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Neuro Sonic Area: Night Side To: Charles Nemo 12 Jul 92 13:14:28 Subject: Ragnarok Lumberjacks? Rec'd UpdReq I've no idea what the R.L. do, but here are osme of the file titles listed underneath their section in Archives X. Actually now that I look at it again it is listed under "Nine Roots". NR 3 2pg's The Ragnarok Lumberjacks. History lection and current disposition of the Magickal Order Ragnarok Lumberjacks. sells for the big ol' $.36 But note said group also offers------ NR 5 6pg's OMP ZONGOM A unique angelic anthology on Enochian. Includes an Enochian invocation to Baphomet, Dionysus, mass of the Phoenix. $.72 NR 6 24 pg's THE CTHULU MYTHOS AND TAROT. Includes: Post-Derlethian humanism and beyind; Elder Tarot Trumps and Minor Arcana. Spreads: Cthulhu's Tentacles, 12 Card Dagon, Cyaegha, supplemental material to 777. $2.88 NR 7 25 pg's A-ZOTH, The Metaphysical TRI-PRIMALITY. The formula of A-ZOTH, the Philosopher's Stone. oh by the way the R.L. publication was NR 2 3 pg's not visaversa. And A-zoth listed for $3.00 This is why I threw out the question to the rest ahv-yas. Neuro Sonic Love is the Law. Love under Will. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Neuro Sonic Area: Night Side To: Charles Nemo 12 Jul 92 13:29:48 Subject: Working with the currents... Rec'd UpdReq I agree with your addition, but I still notice that many semi-organized counter-culture groups seem to be stuck on the idea of denouncing xianity, as compared to getting the ball rolling towards a new strream of thinking. Look at all the effort |Crowley wasted. And look how that has pushed us back further and further, to the point that only now is the trend as strong (no...much stronger) than it was at the turn of the century. Take CoS for instance, the only purpose of this "Religion" seems to be Revolt and Hate currents aimed at stating "I'm not a X-tian, I'm a Satanist!" Where we all realize that by the law of Dualities, to admit the validity of one is to admit the validity of it's opposite. LeVey says he preaches indiviuality well in truth he is just another fundamentalist, on a Black Horse compared to a white one. Not to mention the fact that most people that get involved with CoS are nothing but Sheep with an attitude. Neuro Sonic Ecstacy Provides Occult Knowledge. What's the password? Orgasm? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Josh Norton Area: Night Side To: Neuro Sonic 12 Jul 92 21:58:06 Subject: Assisstance required UpdReq >I would like an address, thank you. 146 Congress Run Road Cincinnati, OH 45215-5002 Use my real name, as the P.O. doesn't know my handle. Oh hell. Why don't you just send me yours, and I'll send you "Temples" and the auxilliary papers on disk. No use wasting time waiting for Lu to respond. He's had the benefit of the book for five years already. I'll send along what I think is an appropriate copyright notice, and if you buy it, you can go ahead and upload the stuff. (I don't think you'll mind the conditions -- just aimed at restricting their use to non-commercial purposes. Free distribution doesn't bother me, but I'd hate for someone to be making a profit off my work.) Two questions: 1) can your machine read PC-compatible disk formats? 2) What sort of formatting would you prefer? Anything else you might want out of my Archives contributions, just let me know. I've still got disk files of most of it. (Except a few early papers written on a Trash-80 computer.) >Are you or anyone else in the local area heading up to >Starwood? I'm looking to get a group together, guess I'll >try my local echo. I never go to Starwood any more. The vibes there always put me into my Loki mode -- makes me want to grab a war-axe, hop on a Harley and ride around swilling beer and trashing people's campsites. As for others, I don't know specifically, but there's usually quite a few. * SLMR 2.1a * Tagline confiscated by the Drug Enforcement Admin. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Josh Norton Area: Night Side To: Vitriol 12 Jul 92 12:26:08 Subject: Re: Assisstance required UpdReq >JN> I'm really a > JN> cabalist at heart, and the practical side is just a way of getting > JN> more interesting symbols to play with. >Fess up: you're really Bill Heidrick, aren't you! Er, no. At least not the last time I looked. There is a generic resemblance, though. * SLMR 2.1a * Kirk, Spock, & McCoy are a cardinal t-square. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Josh Norton Area: Night Side To: Frater Almost 12 Jul 92 21:54:10 Subject: Bate Cabal Info Rec'd UpdReq >Hey..... About arguing for the sake of srgument.... You >gave so now it's my turn: I promise to take generous doses >of Midol before PMS sets in again like it did on Thelema! >God, sometimes I get so carried away, I think I'm a >Thelemic Televangelist! >grin< No problem. And I wouldn't dare argue about nightside stuff -- my ignorance is too great. I would like to pose a possibly controversial question, but I'll hold it for a later message. >At any rate, if you could, go into your evocations/invocations of the genii >in 231. I'd be very interested to hear more. I've never >done to much "dark side" magick but have witnessed voodoo >At any rate, if you could, go into your evocations/invocations of the genii Hmm. I don't regard Voudoun as particularly "darkside". It looks to me more like an eclectic animism. At the time I tried the CCXXXI sigils, I hadn't yet heard of "darkside" magick; this was all 15-17 years ago. I just thought the genii were what the book says they are -- spirits of the paths, and their corresponding qliphoth. I took them to be more like elementals than true independent beings. It's hard to recall the details of the results -- my memory is a black hole, and my notes are buried in a box somewhere. I haven't seen them in years. The workings were all done astrally, as is usual for me; I can't see any point in the extra effort needed to evoke a visible manifestation when astral communication is more than adequate. Typical Saggitarian laziness. There's a couple of things of a general nature I do recall. First, every vision of the "normal" genii opened with an image of a serpent with glittering, allochroic scales wrapped around a tree. The image would zoom in on a single scale, which then became a gate into a landscape representative of the power of the path. This wasn't a deliberate visualization on my part, but seemed intrinsic to the forces invoked -- in much the same way that visions from the Angelic system often open with a representative image and a voice declaiming some aphorism. Similarly, the qliphotic visions always opened with my vision traveling down a tunnel that looked like the inside of an intestine. Cilia and pseudopods would reach out from the walls to grab as I went by. It was typically a struggle to get through them. This, I was told, was the "belly of the Worm", the Worm being the qliphotic counterpart of the Serpent of Wisdom. Where the Serpent has its tail in Malkuth and its head in Kether, the Worm has its tail in Kether and its head in Malkuth. And being qliphotic, it has no true life of its own; it has to steal life-energy from non-qliphotic beings. Hence the entrapping cilia. Eventually the tunnel would open onto a landscape. As for the contents of the various visions, they were -- wierd. Very Dali-esque, very science-fictiony. Much like the computer-generated animations artists have been making recently. The typical "guide" was a giant bubble, like the ballons in "The Prisoner" tv series. This would lead me on a course through the landscapes, where I would encounter and converse with various entities. There's one other common factor I recall concerning the qlipoth. In every vision, there eventually came a point where it was shown that the things being seen were like stage props, or a movie set. When you looked behind them, you saw that they were just hollow facades. That's about all I can recall offhand. Anything more is going to require some serious memory-dredging. * SLMR 2.1a * Facts? Don't bother me with facts! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Nachash 13 Jul 92 20:57:40 Subject: Mumbo Jumbo Kathedral Sent UpdReq Far out! When do I get the phone number? And did you find out if N.O. is PC Pursuitable? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Charles Nemo 13 Jul 92 20:58:50 Subject: Dark, dark and dusty.... Rec'd Sent UpdReq CN> You aren't naming names, are you? ];-))) ^^ (double-chin) You don't think I would give away YOUR secrets do you? hehehehe. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Sean Dedanaan 13 Jul 92 21:00:52 Subject: demonic kids in theaters Sent UpdReq SD> Sounds like you're being more considerate than many would. Considerate Hell! Have you ever tried to hold a squirming, screaming kid still and shut her up and still try to watch a movie yourself? Can't be done, they just get louder. i put the little shit to bed and THEN go put the video in...glass of wine, get my knitting out maybe...relaxation is an art form. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Waddy 13 Jul 92 21:04:18 Subject: Fears Sent UpdReq I'm surprised I haven't lost any friends to AIDS. My old friends in L.A. oughta be prime targets, being very open-minded libidinous types in general, but when last I visited (and I keep in touch now) there were no cases among them! No explanations here. I agree with your brother. living people are much better at cheering you up. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Amazon Lil 13 Jul 92 21:07:00 Subject: Dark, dark and dusty.... Sent UpdReq AL> BLACK BROTHER???? (appropriate sound effects,) hehehehehehe. AOS would be amused... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Josh Norton 13 Jul 92 21:08:18 Subject: Chaos International Sent UpdReq They used to accept American cash, but the latest subscription information I have (dated March 15 '91) says "UK Bank Cheque, Eurocheque, International Money Order or Cash Sterling (registered mail only) made payable to Chaos International. You may write for information, enclosing an IRC of course. The address is; Chaos International BM SORCERY LONDON WC1N 3XX ENGLAND The price is 11 pounds sterling for 4 issues, plus 7 pounds overseas/airmail. 18 pounds comes up to around $27-28 depending on the exchange rates that day. You can get currency exchanged at a bank or airport, but you may want to ask Charles nemo what he did last time as he pays for our subscription. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Nick Frost 13 Jul 92 21:23:38 Subject: Doors Sent UpdReq I was watching that movie again last night (did I tell you i had the tape?) and it wasn't fears that Jim asked about, it was pain. Was this a mistake or are you pulling something? 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Charles Nemo 13 Jul 92 21:28:40 Subject: Ragnarok Lumberjacks? Rec'd Sent UpdReq CN> That has GOT to be the funniest name I've come CN> across in years! And just exactly what do these CN> alleged lumberjacks do, if anyone knows and can say? "Oh III"M a lumberjack and that's Okaaaay!" 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Neuro Sonic 13 Jul 92 21:33:18 Subject: Night Side and magical Plants Sent UpdReq NS> that's why Markie is in charge(it is markie isn't NS> it?, matbe it was Nemo, I don't remember.) of NS> Nachash's echoes at present. That includes NS> Nightside and Magickal Plants. No no no, Frater Almost is god here. I'm off on sabatical at the moment... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Night Side To: Azoth 13 Jul 92 21:54:22 Subject: Lumley & HPL Sent UpdReq A> I especially liked the tie-in with Lovecrafts's A> _Dexter_Ward_ in one of the A> later Wamphyri books; extremely well done. A lot A> of Campbell's work leaves A> me cold, but T.E.D. Klein's _Ceremonies_ and A> _Dark_Gods_ is rather more A> than merely suggestive of real NightSide practice; A> makes one wonder if he's A> getting his inspiration from the same depths we're A> Working. Ditto Wagner's A> _Sticks_. Unfortunately, the taste for 'Cosmic horror', vs the paltry A> mundane sort of King and CNN's Evening Report, is A> doomed by definition to A> remain ultimately unsatisfied, as familiarity A> breeds, if not contempt, A> certainly insight, and loss of sensation, as all A> earlier Decadents eventually A> peforce attained, or perished or faded in the attempt to transcend. I'll check out the two Klein works and Wagner's _Sticks_. I have such a poor memory for much fiction -- perhaps because most of it is so unsatisfying as you suggest. I have an absolute THIRST for novelty, and it is getting increasingly hard to satisfy.... Thanks!!!! By way of returning the favor (since you are interested in vampire fiction), you might enjoy the collection of stories assembled by Dalby as editor of _Dracula's Brood_. A number of them are really quite exceptional, e.g., the one set in modern Rumania where many children in orphanages are receiving blood transfusions as a matter of primitive health care (base on true facts at least in part). 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Night Side To: Azoth 13 Jul 92 22:04:24 Subject: Necronomicon Sent UpdReq A> The actual excerpts from the NECRONOMICON are A> somewhat less convincing, as A> are the explanatory remarks of David Langford A> regarding their decryption from A> Dee's Liber Logaeth. It's magickal usefulness is, A> IMHO, quite limited, and A> is rather less suggestive than those quotes in Lovecraft's work, and A> Derleths. Indeed I expect that's true. (I'm still amused at the continuing inquiries by eager young explorers as to the whereabouts of the "real" NECRONOMICON.) For those reasons I've never spent much effort in trying to locate a copy, and I snapped up the paperback recently purely out of curiosity. It hasn't arrived yet, and I'll let you know what I think.... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Night Side To: Neuro Sonic 13 Jul 92 22:09:34 Subject: Ragnarok Lumberjacks? Sent UpdReq Well, they don't sound Discordian anyhow, which is what I'd have expected. Maybe I'll check it out. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Night Side To: Neuro Sonic 13 Jul 92 22:11:34 Subject: Working with the currents... Sent UpdReq "Sheep with an attitude" describes quite well many so-called rebels. Spending so much energy indeed detracts from the "positive" aspects of developing alternatives, labeling oneself with the very terms that are guaranteed to serve as red flags before the masses of charging bulls only worsens the energy drain! Still, I can't resist taking a whack at the more extreme situations, such as virtually anything involving televangelists. Diane Sawyer's July 9 "Prime Time Live" was a repeat of an earlier episode focussed in three segments on the peccadilloes of W.V. Grant, Larry Lea and Robert Tilton. These guys all contribute small sums of money to the same Haitian orphanage for the privilege of claiming that each one runs it. Then they get the scrawniest orphan possible to pose for pictures in fundraising letters, and even pinch the poor kids to make 'em cry!!! Larry Lea did a sob appeal to viewers claiming his house had burned down and that he'd lost everything. He didn't bother to mention that he had another fully furnished multi-million dollar estate, and that he collected insurance money on the burned house (which he'd been trying to sell for two years). Hmmmmmmmmmm... And ol' Robert Tilton spent so much time lying on the thousands of prayer requests he'd received (praying to god of course!) that he was blood poisoned by the ink on the letters and had to have surgery to lift the bags under his eyes. So it IS awfully tempting to waste valuable energy whacking fundies with their ludicrous claims and scams! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Charles Nemo Area: Night Side To: Frater Almost 13 Jul 92 22:33:00 Subject: Moderatorship Rec'd Sent UpdReq Almost forgot to welcome you as moderator, Frater! Things are shaping up quite nicely, and I have no doubt that they'll continue that way. The absence of dozens of messages from xtians is a definite plus.... All the Beast, Nemo 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718