From: Bobby Meizer Area: Night Side To: Balanone 26 Apr 92 14:04:28 Subject: RE: Re: freethinkers don't censor Sent UpdReq Please don't bother to write to me concerning my messages to other people. I don't bother to read your posts. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Grendel Area: Night Side To: Jonathon Blake 26 Apr 92 21:16:00 Subject: Crowley and Wiccans UpdReq > GR>I've seen no evidence for your theory unless the OTO is > GR>hiding some information. > the former Ripleys Believe it or not Museum, actually Got any proof? People say a LOT of things. I want some actual references or SOMETHING. I don't care what but I want to have the option of looking for myself... -= Grendel =- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Grendel Area: Night Side To: Jon B 26 Apr 92 21:19:00 Subject: CROWLEY AND WICCANS UpdReq > Grendal, if the whole gardnerian wicca as a front for the OTO > is BS, as you state, then parhaps you'd care to explain why > crowley chartered gardner to form an OTO camp, and promulugate > wicca rather than thelema? > << or i am just misinterpreting the charter that crowley gave > gardner in 44 >> He gave Gardner a charter but, as has been stated before, just because Gardner had a charter doesn't mean that anything he did later was based on it. Sorry. Your facts are twisted in the above. Yes, Crowley gave him the charter but there is no evidence that it had anything to do with Wicca. The charter was for the O.T.O., Wicca is not mentioned in any records unless you can produce something. I know of literally thousands of Wiccans that would like a photocopy if you can. -= Grendel =- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Grendel Area: Night Side To: Diane Vera 26 Apr 92 21:20:00 Subject: Satanic roots of Wicca UpdReq > What books on the history of Wicca would *you* recommend? Doreen Valiente's _The_Rebirth_of_Witchcraft_ (I believe that is the full title). That book details her involvement with Gardner and what exactly went on. I believe there is an American paperback out now. I read the English hardcover a few years ago. -= Grendel =- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Grendel Area: Night Side To: All 26 Apr 92 21:44:00 Subject: Workings With the Elements UpdReq Greetings, I have a good friend of mine who is a Cabalistic and he asked me to see if anyone on the echoes could post rituals or give me files with rituals to do with working with the Elements. (my, that is a convoluted sentence) Anyone got anything good? He is just looking for material to broaden his horizons and to give him ideas... -= Grendel =- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Azoth Area: Night Side To: Fra.:Nachash 27 Apr 92 19:05:26 Subject: Tibetan Knives UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. I just came across the precise Tibetan descriptor of the style of phurba I've been using: gri-gug, which is a flaying knife of the sort used in Chod and similar Tantric rites. In traditional iconography, this blade is usually wielded by Kali. Love is the law, love under will. ... I don't care if it's impossible - as long as it WORKS! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: The Sinistar Area: Night Side To: Charles Nemo 27 Apr 92 07:25:00 Subject: Re: Dark Musick UpdReq CN> Also highly recommended are Current 93's "The Sadness of Things" and CN> the CD soundtrack for "The Silence of the Lambs". Have you heard Current 93's "Dog's Blood Rising"? I listened to it first down in Texas at a Setian gathering..the song "Jesus Wepts" is excellent. -=Sinistar=- 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Phule Area: Night Side To: Azoth 27 Apr 92 16:53:00 Subject: Re: Phule UpdReq thanks for the info. l8r 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Puck Area: Night Side To: Glenn Sieb 27 Apr 92 11:48:00 Subject: Hello/Goodbye UpdReq Glenn, whenever you do get this, HANG IN THERE!!!!! Looking for a job is a bitch, I know, but keep trucking!!! If you want to write to me directly, here's my address: Puck 7912 39th Ave SW Seattle, WA 98136 Good luck! Hope to hear from you soon!!! Bright Blessings! Puck 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Fra.: Nachash Area: Night Side To: Azoth 28 Apr 92 13:20:14 Subject: Tibetan Knives UpdReq In a msg on , Azoth of 1:123/15 writes: 93, A> I just came across the precise Tibetan descriptor of the A> style of phurba I've been using: gri-gug, which is a A> flaying knife of the sort used in Chod and similar A> Tantric rites. In traditional iconography, this A> blade is usually wielded by Kali. Where did you find the knife? I bet Sallie would love one! 93 93/93 NChSh 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Night Side To: Jon B 27 Apr 92 18:12:18 Subject: Re: CROWLEY AND WICCANS UpdReq Yes Jon, There is even a letter from Crowley to Germer that Gardner was in the works of hashing up some new membership. Whether he did this or no is debatable. 93 Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Night Side To: Jonathon 27 Apr 92 18:14:18 Subject: Re: Satanism and Sociali UpdReq In a message dated 16 Apr 92 00:10:04, Jonathon wrote: GDC>Also, just for the record: The IRS is NOT a Government GDC>Office, but a private Corporation in Michigan. J> Can you document that? J> 93 J> jonathon I sure can. I have a buddy who is an attorney. He's also an OTO member. I will have him ZIP a file to me containing all the data and I will do a message dum right here (unless it's too long, and then well have to upload the file somewhere you can get to it). 93 Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Night Side To: Diane Vera 27 Apr 92 18:16:18 Subject: Re: Pentagrams UpdReq In a message dated 26 Apr 92 12:59:58, Diane Vera wrote: DV> Can you recommend any books which deal with the history of the DV> pentagram? With the pentagram solely, no. But there is much to be fished out from archeological studies and translations. There is much about the pentagram in Greek philosophy as well. Another little trivial tid-bit: The word which symbolizes the accomplishment of the Great Work is: ABRAHADABRA. There are 5 A's: Pantalpha (pentagram) (Man) and six consonants: Hexagram (God) Therefore, the nature of the Great Work is Union with God. Abrahadabra also contains 11 letters, and is the word given in GD groups when one reaches 5 = 6, Knowledge and COnversation with the HGA. All of this pertains to the pentagram :) Love is the Law. Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Gerald Del Campo Area: Night Side To: Jonathon 27 Apr 92 20:22:18 Subject: Re: Satanism and Sociali UpdReq In a message dated 16 Apr 92 00:04:02, Jonathon wrote: J> you know, we could always stage another coup-de-tat J> 93 J> jonathon Nobody would come :/ Gerald ... RPSTOVAL Oasis: Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718