From: Astral Invader Area: Night Side To: Markie Chao 8 Apr 92 11:24:00 Subject: A question.... Rec'd UpdReq Did you happen to recieve my address through netmail some time ago?... Just curious as to whether I gave the thing a hard enough shove through Cyberspace.... /Astral/ 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Darklord Area: Night Side To: Nick Frost 9 Apr 92 16:45:00 Subject: Re: SATANISM AND SOCIALISM UpdReq NF> Does your father call it a police action? Is he an actual combat NF> vet? There's a big difference in attitude between the guys behind NF> the lines and the guys in the jungle getting shot at and chemical NF> dusted. As for what the politicians call it--well what do you expect NF> from politicians? They didn't have to get their hands dirty. 'Scuse NF> the soapbox. :-) Well the politicians enjoyed it. They went over their on vists to the troops that turned out to be a vacation. The men went over there so they could get away from their wives and put the bill on the U.S government. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Darklord Area: Night Side To: Gerald Del Campo 9 Apr 92 17:01:00 Subject: Re: Satanism and Socialism UpdReq GD> You must confuse me with someone else, for if you had experienced the GD> point of my "sword" you would not be around to bullshit your way GD> through political conversations the way that you do. Well I imagine that your "sword" is rather dull by now, because your hand wore it down. GD> You dont think that poor people fight wars? Why dont you find what GD> the percentage of white upper-middle class soldiers is in any given GD> war? The military provides economic salvation to those GD> discriminated against by our current system. Blacks, Mexicans, and GD> poor whites join the military because the selective service provides GD> the illusion that you can be educated there. Once they are in the millitary and have served their country then the government something. People are only intitled to something because of their actions, not because they are born. GD> Fact is: You have already decided that you were gonna stick to your GD> guns whether you are right or wrong, and I have better things to do Trust me I am right. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Darklord Area: Night Side To: Gerald Del Campo 9 Apr 92 17:20:00 Subject: Re: Satanism and Socialism UpdReq GD> I agree with your idea about making government stick to The GD> Constitution. It does not need "interpretation". Those who GD> "interpret" the COnstitution work for people who have much to lose by GD> sticking to it. It is written in plain English, in black and white. GD> However, the Costitution garantees citizens of this country certain GD> rights which you oppose. The purpose of a truly Democratic country GD> is to provide equal opportunity for financial security and the GD> pursuit of happiness; it does not do so now. The following is an exert from the constitution: Section 8, Article I The congress shall have Power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common Defence and general welfare of the United States; but all Duties, imposts and excise shall be uniform throughout the U.S; To borrow money on the credit of the U.S.; To regulate Commerce with foreign Natons and states and with indian tribes. (To save time I will just list the powers) natuarlization, coin moneu, establish a post office and roads, copyrights and patents, create courts, punish piracy and felonies against law of nationa or the high sea, decalre war and grant letters of marque, raise an army and navy, create rules for the army and navy to follow, can call forth state militias, to exercise legislation over D.C. and federal property. (Now back to the actual words) To make ALL LAWS NECESSARY AND PROPER FOR CARRING INTO EXCUTION THE FOREGOING POWERS, and all other powers vested in the constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or Officer thereof. (The End) Now tell me where is national helth care in there, or even medicare? And the rights guarented us are the first ten amendments. They outline our rights and states that we have other basic liberties that are not mentioned. Their is no legal bases for your clain that I wanted to deny anybody their rights and in fact you wanted to instute policies and powers out side the constitutions powers. Darklord 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Darklord Area: Night Side To: Jonathon 9 Apr 92 17:22:00 Subject: Re: Satanism and Sociali UpdReq Jo> you realize that the constitution is not, nor ever was, a Jo> legally Jo> binding document upon any government in this country << the usa Jo> >> Well lets over through the government. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Grendel Area: Night Side To: Nosferat 8 Apr 92 23:16:38 Subject: Magic and Me UpdReq N> I was just curious. N> When did you get started in magick? Aproximatly three or so years ago. Actually, it was about this time of year in 1989, I believe. My mother is a Dianic witch and I had been exposed to the ideas and such for a few years before that but I did not start on my own path until then. Wassail, Grendel 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Astral Invader 10 Apr 92 18:48:52 Subject: A question.... Sent UpdReq Yes, I'm going to get some photo copies to send. Things have been hectic recently...guess I shoulda said something to let you know I got it. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Diane Vera Area: Night Side To: Nrrys 10 Apr 92 21:02:40 Subject: Re: Phil Marsh and Tani Sent UpdReq On April 6, you responded to my April 5 message to Balanone "Re: Phil Marsh and Tani Jantsang": . DV > So far, I'll just say they seem to be into an unusual blend of Satanism, Wicca, goy Qabalah, quasi-Masonry, and I'm not sure what all. Also they, like the editor of DARK LILY, make the improbable claim that "Satanism" is older than Christianity. . N > It would seem to me that some (most?) of the philosophies that make up modern day "Satanism" pre-date Christianity. .Yes, but that's different from saying Satanism itself pre-dates Christianity. . N > It seems to me that "Satanists" spend a lot of their time justifying their claim to the word, much like the "Pagans" arguing over the words "Wiccan" and "Witch". .Well, in order to communicate, it *is* necessary to be clear about what one means by a particular word. When different people mean different things by the same word, it is necessary to talk about those differences in order to understand each other. .To make matters more difficult, some people (like Anton LaVey) have the attitude that just because they were the ones who popularized a given religion, that religion is their property. . N > Who are all of you trying to impress with your "scary" words? :-) .Mainly, ourselves. Mainly, our own subconscious minds. Effective communication with one's subconscious mind is essential to magick. .(Also, some people, like Anton LaVey, are trying to monopolize a clientele.) 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718