From: Nick Frost Area: Night Side To: William Hunter 28 Mar 92 09:32:10 Subject: Re: WET MAGICK UpdReq Thought we were discussing safe sex in terms of AIDs ol' buddy! Now if you want to get into safety in sex magick--well that's a whole 'nother story. Sounds like you got a good teacher though. *Nick* 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Fra.: Apfelmann Area: Night Side To: Maldoror 28 Mar 92 17:30:26 Subject: IOTBBS UpdReq Hi Maldoror, > You should contact Barbara Bouzek in Stuttgart I don't know this girl, but will ask Sor.: Hexabine because we are members of the same temple :-) > By the way, are there > now more than 17 people involved in the "Revolutionary > Council"? That coucil closed last year ! It's NOT existing ever more. (This was told to Fra.: Stokastikos in Lockenhaus last year too!) > IOT moniker?), or so it seems, we will need to know who will be > privy to what we consider privy information & business. Perhaps you saw a message from Kater Karlo here... He is austrian IOT-member and (like me), said that _all_ members should exchange their ideas... We are going to install a private/non-public IOT-message-transfer using the address 69:666/* . I would be glad when US-members and australians (hello Shadow Mage !) could be linked as well. With fractalic greetings and laughter * Fra.: Apfelmann * 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Fra.: Apfelmann Area: Night Side To: Nosferat 28 Mar 92 17:35:16 Subject: IOT UpdReq Hi Nosferat, > I forgot to ask earlier, whats the difference betwixt IOT and > (R)IOT some people work together in a temple ignoring the grade-structure, others prefer their grades. That's all. And, the (R)IOT is not existing. With fractalic greetings and laughter * Fra.: Apfelmann * 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Fra.: Apfelmann Area: Night Side To: Maldoror 28 Mar 92 20:14:48 Subject: IOTBBS UpdReq Hi Maldoror, > ... and get Frater Psyber-Kia's phone number. guess I have it... it's ending with ...742. I tried to call voice, but a machine answered. Then I tried by modem and got a 1200/none-connect with absolutely garbitch on the screen. This system should have a much faster modem, otherwise one can do nothing, but fall asleep. :-( One of your alter-egoes asked for my voice-number; here it is: 0049-6257-61703; data-line is: 0049-6257-7966. With fractalic greetings and laughter * Fra.: Apfelmann * 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nosferat Area: Night Side To: Markie Chao 28 Mar 92 17:14:00 Subject: IOT Rec'd UpdReq I'm trying to order Peter Caroll's books, ainly and I can't seem to find a place that caries them in OK. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nosferat Area: Night Side To: Markie Chao 28 Mar 92 19:19:00 Subject: IOT Rec'd UpdReq I would eventually lie to join a chaos oriented magikal group, but right now I need a place where I can get a copy of some of Peter Carol's books. I can't seem to find them in any of the local book stores. Such is life in Oklahoma. HAIL ERIS! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Triple Six Area: Night Side To: Maldoror 28 Mar 92 16:46:28 Subject: Same ol'.... UpdReq Fra. Anchorite has once again started his mail campaign, sending me three letters within the last week and a half--to my former address in Stillwater. The Post Office has been quite accomodating in forwarding my mail, but I would appreciate it if you would inform Anchorite that I have long since vacated that apartment and if he wishes to send me more of his crayon letters, he should address them to my POB, as I'm stuck w/ it for another year. I am curious as to why he feels the need to bombard me w/ mail that is devoid of content. Also, there are a few other things I would like to mention. 1) I was receiving an average of three letters a week from Fra. Anchorite and simply had no time to respond to them. I have sent him two (count them) letters; thus his statement that he wished to discontinue correspondence w/ me is somewhat humorous, as I ignored his last 12 letters or so. One would think that he could have received the hint. 2) I later received a letter from him (this one typed!) dated Jan. 6th. 1992 stating -- I'm writing to inform you of my dis-affiliation with the I.O.T. which is why I wrote you the last two or so rude letters; so that you would not write me back. Now, however, I realize that I should not have treated you in such a way so I apologize. I'm now in the process of joining the Motta A:.A:.; and if you think you might be interested then write me back and I will give you a contact of a Probationer that I know, and he may sponsor you. If you are already in Motta A:.A:. or otherwise then sorry for ranting on... The only reason I am writing you and am willing to give you the contact is I had an INSTINCTUAL feeling to do so, but maybe I'm wrong. If you thought that I was nuts after my last two leters then good, because that was my purpose, however I want you to know that I am an elitist with high regards to the rational. I am not gay either, by the way, I think that's sick. All just was bullshit so I did not have to deal with I.O.T. or anything connected to it; however, you seem different. Anyway, if you are interested let me know, and then I GIVE You the A.A. contact, and you'll never have to deal with me again if you wish. I was a member of the Motta A:.A:. for several years, but resigned a few months ago in order to pursue other venues. However, I contacted my former Superior in referrence to Fra. Anchorite's letter and there is no record of his affiliation with the A:.A:. I would also like to mention that it would have been quite impossible for Anchorite to join the Motta A:.A:. lineage, as they entered a Period of Silence last April, nor would it be possible for a Probationer to "sponsor" him. I realize that there are many people claiming A:.A:. affiliation; however, there is only one Order that is the direct descendent of Motta and I have papers signed by Motta stating who his Follower was to be. It would seem that Fra. Anchorite has been duped once again. 2) The most recent letter I received from Anchorite states that the (R)I.O.T. has been "excommunicated." Is this true? I have been told otherwise. 3) Fra. Anchorite also addressed me as "Fra. Apfelman (R)I.O.T.?" Please inform him that his wires are a bit crossed. 4) I'm also curious as to how Fra. Anchorite can find the time to write so many meaningless, incoherent letters and still find time for magick and running a Temple. Amazing.... I can only guess as to the nature of your fixation upon me; however, I think it's important that those who participate in this echo see exactly what the I.O.T. is about and what they can expect should they join and, even more so, should they try to escape! Cheers! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Nosferat 29 Mar 92 08:09:22 Subject: Books Sent UpdReq Mail Order. Magickal Childe and Abyss have Carroll books. His new one isn't out yet, but is due in May. I got one of the limited first edition in London but they haven't been available here. Samuel Weiser is publishing the mass copies. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Nosferat 29 Mar 92 08:11:48 Subject: Chaos Sent UpdReq N> I would eventually lie to join a chaos oriented Freudian slip? anyway, you don't need Carroll to be a Chaos Magician. Start your own group! Read A.O. Spare, much more basic stuff. The IOT is well known as a widespread Chaos group but there are many smaller groups around in several countries. Define your own magic... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Fra.: Apfelmann 29 Mar 92 08:27:40 Subject: IOTBBS Sent UpdReq FA> That coucil closed last year ! It's NOT existing ever more. Does this mean there is no longer an (R)IOT? Can't keep up... 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Markie Chao Area: Night Side To: Triple Six 29 Mar 92 08:33:48 Subject: Same ol'.... Sent UpdReq TS> I can only guess as to the nature of your fixation TS> upon me; however, I think it's important that those TS> who participate in this echo see exactly what the TS> I.O.T. is about and what they can expect should TS> they join and, even more so, should they try to TS> escape! Please, let's not judge the IOT by a couple of arrogant Californians! I met a couple of English members last week and got along fine. The Germans and Austrians appear to be very reasonable and intelligent people. Culture or lack of it shows, I'm a native Californian myself so I have an idea of the different perspective, and I suspect these particular guys are probably very young and will see their errors as they grow. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Lady Byron Area: Night Side To: Balanone 27 Mar 92 20:01:40 Subject: Surprise! UpdReq HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BALANONE! From, Lady Byron 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Balanone Area: Night Side To: Lady Byron 27 Mar 92 22:06:22 Subject: Surprise! UpdReq LB> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BALANONE! LB> LB> From, LB> Lady Byron Thank you. It was a surprise. How did you know / find out? Did Ipsissimus Lewis rat on me? X&R PP 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Diane Vera Area: Night Side To: Triple Six 29 Mar 92 23:26:58 Subject: Same ol'.... In your March 28 message to Maldoror, "Same ol'....", you quoted a letter you received from Fra. Anchorite: . FA > If you thought that I was nuts after my last two leters then good, because that was my purpose, however I want you to know that I am an elitist with high regards to the rational. I am not gay either, by the way, I think that's sick. .What????? Yet *another* "elitist" who hates gays???? .By the way, the formatting of your message got screwed up. It might not be apparent to the casual reader which portion of your message is a quote from Fra. Anchorite's letter. Just letting you know, so in case you get any nasty messages from people who think *you* "think that's sick", you'll know why. 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718