From:    Ace Lightning                          Area: Mundane
To:      Gregh                                  17 Apr 94 02:50:04
Subject: Slmr                                   UpdReq 

GR>Oh yes, I can feel for this.  We use `professional' software at work.
  >TeleReplica and Co-Session.  Yuk.  TeleReplica has to be the most user
  >unfriendly modem software I've ever met.  It's awkward to use and not
  >very flexible, and it's not even particularly good at what it does.
GR>At present I use RIPTerm.  Well, at least it's pretty anyway.  :)
I'm *still* using Unicom. It's simple-minded, and the nag screens are a
total pain in the arse, but it does what I want it to do.
GR>I've just finished setting up BNU and FrontDoor in case any of the
  >Sysops who've offered ever get around to actually carrying through on
  >their offers of pointhood.  I was astonished: after unpacking the
  >various files and setting up the directories, installing BNU in my
  >autoexec, compiling the nodelist, etc, I ran the program ... and the
  >bloody thing worked!  First time, too, though I had probs with FDNC
  >and think that as a result my FD is suffering the delusion that *it*
  >is the BBS I got the info from.  <G>  I still need a mail tosser and
  >I haven't yet written the scripts or batch files to make it all hang
  >together and work while I sleep.  All in good time.
GR>I've not yet dared use it to dial a BBS; not game to till I know I have
  >someone who knows what they're doing watching me arrive at the other end,
  >ready to rescue things if I stuff up.  So I don't know how successful
  >my installation has been.  But it all works locally.
GR>Pretty Mundane stuff to old timers, I guess, but it's all new and
  >bemusing to me.
All this is so much random noise to me; I suppose that I'll have to
learn, though, when my teenage son sets up his BBS, and then gets bored
with it and leaves it to me...
  SLMR 2.0  SYSTEM ERROR: place sacrifice on keyboard to continue.


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From:    Josh Norton                            Area: Mundane
To:      Kayla Block                            16 Apr 94 11:54:02
Subject: message received                       UpdReq 

Hi Kayla!
Got the message you left on our BBS. I'm just finishing up some stuff 
and will probably have it ready to ship by monday. 
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From:    Charles Senescall                      Area: Mundane
To:      Albertus Magnus                        17 Apr 94 21:43:12
Subject: enviro-fun                             UpdReq 

Hi Albert,
 > The following comes to you via FidoNet-Debate. The thread is
 > between
 > myself and this one Scott Nudds, from Canada.
 > * Area: DEBATE ***************
 > ************************************************
 >   Msg#: 26                                           Date: 15
 > Apr 94  05:06:30
 >   From: Todd Rourke
 >     To: Scott Nudds
 >   Subj: greenhouse
 > ******************************
 > ************************************************
 >  SN> Hmmm.. Dogs, can't smell their own backsides either!
So this is the stimulating posts we can look foward to in Fido_Debate!
[...text deleted...]
BTW I agree with the thrust of your arguements...give it to em!


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From:    Gwenny The Pooh                        Area: Mundane
To:      Ace Lightning                          16 Apr 94 07:43:00
Subject: Kitchen Witch                          UpdReq 

While bumping down stairs, Gwenny the Pooh heard Ace Lightning say:
 AL> "Betty Crocker"? No way! MY grandmother didn't use mixes! (Although my
 AL> mother did.) I prefer to do it the hard way, with flour, butter,
 AL> sugar, milk, baking powder, etc.
They put out good cookbooks, too.  I have a neat 'puter cookbook from them
about cooking Italian--we use about six large jars of Prego every two
weeks.  We LOVE Italian.
 AL> I do a lot with yeast breads; that's one of the "ancestral" skills in
 AL> my family. I also do good corn muffins, baking powder biscuits (you
 AL> *do* use lard for the shortening, don't you?), pancakes, and popovers.
 AL> Another "ancestral" recipe/skill is pie crust (which is what the
 AL> rolling pin suggested to me); again, it really does come out better if
 AL> you use lard, no matter how politically incorrect pigfat might be.
Yeast bread don't like me now that we have moved to 9000 feet.  But I
agree about the piecrust.  My great-grandmother, may the Goddess rest her
bigotted soul, made AWESOME pie.  And it was the lard.  Her recipe is
STILL the family recipe.  **** politically correct, my attitude is: Don't
drink, don't smoke, eat right...die anyway. <grin>
 AL> I also do cakes; I learned to decorate from my mother, who did it
 AL> semi-professionally, although my "style" is completely different from
 AL> hers. I'm doing a semi-mundane wedding cake in May, and a handfasting
 AL> cake in June.
Cool!  My mom did cakes, too, but I stick to sewing.  
 AL> Good cooking is equal parts science and magick anyway...and I've
 AL> always been good at both...
I cook good "down-home" stuff, but Wild Hunter was raised upper class. 
Can you imagine living in Virginia for twenty years and never tasting
grits or collard greens (mmmmmmm, mmmmmm)??  So I'm trying to learn to
cook Cordon Bleu style.  Ick....it's so expensive!!
Gwenny
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From:    Farrell McGovern                       Area: Mundane
To:      All                                    17 Apr 94 02:44:46
Subject: CAN*CON '94                            UpdReq 

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From:    LIANA                                  Area: Mundane
To:      ALBERTUS MAGNUS                        15 Apr 94 14:35:00
Subject: Re: GREENHOUSE                         UpdReq 

... An owl hooted in my ear of words by Albertus Magnus to Liana ...
 LI> I'd say it's real alright.
 AM> I've seen what the CFC's can do to an ozone molecule, you're right...
 AM> not a pretty sight at all. I don't deny the existence of the ozone
 AM> hole, but I do believe it's more seasonal than man-made. Sure, we've
 AM> contributed to the problem, but it also appears that it's been there
 AM> for some time and probably was there long before we actually started
 AM> pumping CFC's into the atmosphere. My whole initial bend on this all
 AM> was in relation to the greenhouse effect itself, not the ozone
 AM> hole... altho I admit the two are connected.
Jeez... don't even quote my lovely molecular analysis for posterity
(pout)... and even after I went back to Chemistry prof to refresh on the
details ;)
I've just read the post you've quoted from FIDOnet... interesting.
While I agree that MoM can take care of herself, I'm not of the mind
that assumes this gives us permission to behave like irresponsible two
year olds.  We may not be clear on the details, but it's relatively
obvious that, given the very complexity of the system, the introduction
of our man-made materials into the atmosphere *is* going to have affect.
All I have to remember are the many species that we've wiped out to
remind myself that we *do* make a difference.
Speculation that the ozone hole existed prior to our awareness of it or
even prior to the discovery of fire is hardly permission pretend it
doesn't matter.  At the very least, knowledge that human activites are
increasing something at such a rate appears to me as an indicator that
such activities are harmful and should be re-evaluated.
Blessed Be.

-l
... I need, therefore I imagine ...
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From:    LIANA                                  Area: Mundane
To:      SILVEROAK                              15 Apr 94 14:35:00
Subject: Re: GREENHOUSE                         UpdReq 

... An owl hooted in my ear of words by David Arnold to Silveroak ...
 > To seriously believe that one species could accidentelly destroy
 > everything Nature has borne over the millenia is a little off the
 > wall. To Believe that the youngest species cold do so is laughable.
 DA> [...]
 > When the two are in conflict, bet heavilly on good old Gaia.
 DA> never underestimate the power of the stupid few.
Addendum:  dynamite and a match in the hands of a five year old still
makes a pretty big bang.
... Imagination is the highest kite one can fly ... - Lauren Bacall
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From:    LIANA                                  Area: Mundane
To:      ACE LIGHTNING                          15 Apr 94 14:35:00
Subject: Re: RE. KITCHEN WITCH                  UpdReq 

... An owl hooted in my ear of words by Ace Lightning to Liana ...
 LI>It's neat, especially because I have memories of her using it to bake (I
 >love to bake, especially quick breads).  To Betty Crocker, may she continue
 >to thrive!
 AL> "Betty Crocker"? No way! MY grandmother didn't use mixes! (Although my
 AL> mother did.) I prefer to do it the hard way, with flour, butter,
 AL> sugar, milk, baking powder, etc.
The Betty Crocker *cookbook*, not cake mixes {sniff}  Really.  How very
common they are... oh, Miffy?  Miffy, dear?  Some more tea, if you
will... {geez, I amuse myself <grin>}
 AL> I do a lot with yeast breads; that's one of the "ancestral" skills in
 AL> my family. I also do good corn muffins, baking powder biscuits (you
 AL> *do* use lard for the shortening, don't you?), pancakes, and popovers.
Crisco shortening.  Or schmaltz, when I'm messing with Jewish recipes or
insulting someone/thing <G>
I haven't graduated to yeast breads yet... I get nervous at the thought.
The different cookbooks give different ways of using yeast, judging the
temperature, etc., and different ways of dealing with the bread.  I'm a
quick bread queen, though... it started because it's an inexpensive and
healthy way for me to have lunch all week!  Yum.  Banana bread, pumpkin
bread, zucchini bread, and I have this great recipe for apple bread
which uses Granny Smith apples.  A friend told me that you can make
persimmon bread, and that it's very moist.  I can't find a recipe
though... you have one?
 AL> Another "ancestral" recipe/skill is pie crust (which is what the
 AL> rolling pin suggested to me); again, it really does come out better if
 AL> you use lard, no matter how politically incorrect pigfat might be.
Heh... if I do or don't do something it's because I want/don't want to,
whether it be fad or fancy.  I love the so-called "non-conformist" who
conforms by not doing/buying something that is in fashion... so
predictable. }:>
Actually, I don't use my grandma's rolling pin for cooking.  It really
*is* my wand, and I oil it with essential oil, which isn't a very good
thing to mix with your dough ;)
 AL> I also do cakes; I learned to decorate from my mother, who did it
 AL> semi-professionally, although my "style" is completely different from
 AL> hers. I'm doing a semi-mundane wedding cake in May, and a handfasting
 AL> cake in June.
Cookies are a favorite of mine... I can whomp up a bunch and then bring
them to work to rid of them (I need to start a family or something...
sigh).  Heh... my favorite cake *is* a mix... Bundt cake, Tunnel of
Fudge.  Yum.
 AL> Good cooking is equal parts science and magick anyway...and I've
 AL> always been good at both...
You bet.  When I'm making a quick bread, and I'm stirring the dry into
the moist ingrediants, I like to send into the batter... or use the
wooden spoon to get an interesting pattern of stirring going...
Blessings!

-l
... The Truth is in the middle -Anna Popova ...  
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