From: Gwenny The Pooh Area: Mundane To: Albertus Magnus 14 Apr 94 10:01:00 Subject: greenhouse UpdReq While bumping down stairs, Gwenny the Pooh heard Albertus Magnus say: GTP> BTW, Wild Hunter's father lead the Antarctic Expedition for a number GTP> of years, and he says there is evidence that a hole is the ozone is a GTP> naturally reoccuring phenomena.... AM> And the man is correct, because there -is- ample evidence that the AM> "ozone hole" ebbs and flows and comes and goes. At any rate, there's AM> also evidence that demonstrates that there is another series of AM> 'pollutants' that are reflecting heat away from the earth at about AM> the same rate that the greenhouse gasses are trapping it. So best AM> estimates say that the whole thing is entirely overblown. Yeah, they were blaming Mount Pintaubo (spelling?) for the recent bout of cold winters, but even they are admitting that it couldn't have caused this last winter. OH well, back to the drawing board. When are they gonna realize that the Earth is much more complicated than they can ever understand. After all, as George Carlin says, she's been around for billions of years....what makes us think we can have any lasting affect on her? If we cease to be a viable part of her system, we can go the way of the dinosaurs....I vote that we'll be replaced by cockroaches. Gwenny ... Math and booze don't mix: Please don't drink & derive 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Albertus Magnus Area: Mundane To: All 15 Apr 94 05:15:32 Subject: enviro-fun UpdReq The following comes to you via FidoNet-Debate. The thread is between myself and this one Scott Nudds, from Canada. * Area: DEBATE *************************************************************** Msg#: 26 Date: 15 Apr 94 05:06:30 From: Todd Rourke To: Scott Nudds Subj: greenhouse ****************************************************************************** SN> Hmmm.. Dogs, can't smell their own backsides either! Oh insult after insult... what's wrong, were you not properly potty trained? Denied Oedipal fixation? Inquiring minds want to know! I don't know why I've bothered to respond to you again, usually one reply is enough in these cases, but your belligerent tone amuses me, so I suppose I'll keep coming back to see what other little bits of shameless wit you can come up with. SN> Try reading scientific journals and not propaganda rags. I don't read 'propaganda rags' unless you consider Nat'l Geographic, Scientific American, Discover, Omni, New England Medical Journal and others to be 'propaganda rags'. If you spent more time actually debating rather than trying to browbeat me, you MIGHT elicit a response more to your liking. Not that I am all concerned because you've already dismissed yourself from serious consideration. SN> articles on global warming just last month. And since then, 5-10 SN> which mention global warming in passing. At least this many. Yeah, and? That wasn't my original point. I was talking about this all in the broadest general public sense. In the mass media, how much did we hear about the greenhouse effect this past winter? Not a bloody lot. You know why? Because the environmental fundamentalists who harp on this issue know damn well that if they brought it up, your basic Joe Smith is going to say: "Hey buddy, I've got 15 inches of snow in my yard and you're talking global warming?" Doesn't matter if they're right or wrong about it... the fact remains that the enviro-lobby picks and chooses its time to fight its causes in the public arena. You'd think that with an issue as important as this they'd be fighting tooth and nail on the idiot box every day... but they're not... not when Joe Smith is still shovelling his driveway. SN> If you increase the CO2 concentration of the atmosphere, the SN> atmosphere will warm up. There is no alternative! TR> Actually, you're quite patently wrong. TR> Ever looked out towards the horizon? Ever noticed how TR> there's that white haze out that way? SN> Oh, gosh. You actually read scientific american! Goodie! Amongst others, yes, altho this point dates back several years. SN> don't seem capable of distinguishing cause and effect from outside SN> influences. Sulphate haze has to do with CO2 levels. It has SN> to do with the affect of CO2 on enhanced global warming. I never said that it did have anything to do with CO2 levels. What I -said- was that these emissions cause a reflective effect in the atmosphere which can (and does) offset the effects of the 'greenhouse effect'. Greenhouse gases trap heat, bouncing it back to earth, preventing it from properly radiating back into space. If the incoming solar energy is being turned away from the surface via the sulfates at the atmospheric level, then there is nothing for the greenhouse group to play with, in very lay terms. And that much IS happening right now. You seem to have me labeled as someone who doesn't believe in the greenhouse effect... and the truth is, I do think it's a real concept. What I have been contesting is how those trying to do something about it 'market' themselves. SN> The remains, that if you Co2 levels, you SN> atmospheric temperature. There is . Atmospheric SN> sulphate levels are a totally different subject. Its laughable that SN> you would even mention them. The fact remains that the reflective properties of sulfate emissions work almost in reverse of the CO2 effects. While CO2 is trapping heat in the lower portions of the atmosphere, the other is reflecting it away from the planet in the upper portions of the atmosphere. What is laughable here is that you seem to be unable to see where two distinct systems such as this can and do relate to each other. SN> Thats right Todd. You are scientifically illiterate. How else do SN> you explain your inability to distinguish between Cause-effect SN> relationships and outside influences? Oh you're such a silly chap, I have some professors and such who'd tend to disagree with you, I believe. I could pose to you the same question, but since I'm apparently not as nearly in need of the ego stroke as you are, I will decline... and if it makes you feel better to think 'you won' then so be it... 'you win!' Let the band play! Learn how to spell 'sulfate', by the way. "Sulphate"? Right... and you expect to be taken seriously? SN> Where I come from, these kind of distinctions are part of high school SN> level science. You have no excuses! I make no excuses. I'm the not the one who's saying that just because X is X and Z is Z, they can have absolutely -nothing- to do with Y! So be it, however. I guess you're just a fine example of why we shouldn't have Canadian-style health care here in America, I can only presume that some underpaid/overworked nurse dropped you on your still soft cranium when you were but a wee waif. Since flames seem to be what you're looking for, there's one for you. -TR Hey Lester, you reading this thread? Do I -really- have to put up with this peon? Can I file an official complaint to my friendly moderator? Not that I really want to, this guy is amusing me at the moment... and that's always key... I do like to be amused. ... The attacker must vanquish; the defender need only survive. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Albertus Magnus Area: Mundane To: LIANA 15 Apr 94 08:41:46 Subject: GREENHOUSE UpdReq LI> I'd say it's real alright. I've seen what the CFC's can do to an ozone molecule, you're right... not a pretty sight at all. I don't deny the existence of the ozone hole, but I do believe it's more seasonal than man-made. Sure, we've contributed to the problem, but it also appears that it's been there for some time and probably was there long before we actually started pumping CFC's into the atmosphere. My whole initial bend on this all was in relation to the greenhouse effect itself, not the ozone hole... altho I admit the two are connected. .\ .\.\ ... Wait for that wisest of all counselors, Time. - Pericles 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Overlord Area: Mundane To: Albertus Magnus 15 Apr 94 12:40:00 Subject: Re: Kurt Cobain & Resh UpdReq > KB> when i heard that kurt cobain was dead, i got surprisingly bummed out. > >Never cared for the band, never cared for him... won't miss him. >If it had been Chris Cornell from Soundgarden, then I'd have >something to say. Of course, Cornell is thankfully no Kurt Cobain. personally i got kinda offended that Rolling Stone rated him as equals with Jimmy Hendrix, John Lennon, and Janice Joplin. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: David Arnold Area: Mundane To: silveroak 15 Apr 94 05:49:08 Subject: greenhouse UpdReq silveroak to Gwenny the Pooh: > To seriously believe that one species could accidentelly destroy > everything Nature has borne over the millenia is a little off the > wall. To Believe that the youngest species cold do so is laughable. [...] > When the two are in conflict, bet heavilly on good old Gaia. never underestimate the power of the stupid few. david 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Bubsy Area: Mundane To: All 14 Apr 94 16:19:38 Subject: KURT UpdReq From: bubsy@hrnowl.lonestar.org (Bubsy) Newsgroups: pod.mundane Subject: KURT When i heard Kurt Kobain was dead, on friday night, it surprised me a little, and made me sad that he was gone, but mostly just surprised me. I enjoyed his music, but now he's gone, and the way I feel is 'if i decided to blow my head off, Kurt Kobain wouldn't go crying for day & days' so, unlike a little band of Nirvana groupies at my school who each now carry at minimum 10 articles about the life & death of Kurt, I just take it. Peace & harmony, BUBSY 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Gwenny The Pooh Area: Mundane To: silveroak 15 Apr 94 13:32:00 Subject: greenhouse UpdReq While bumping down stairs, Gwenny the Pooh heard silveroak say: si> As regards greenhouse, I've always considered the concept to si> be a human ego-trip. To seriously believe that one species could si> accidentelly destroy everything Nature has borne over the millenia is si> a little off the wall. To Believe that the youngest species cold do so si> is laughable. Nature has been working for billions of year, and has si> survived every possible genetic mutation on a viable life form to si> arrise in that time. Human science has been around for 3,000 years, si> and only really developed in the last 1,500. Human science appears to si> be in it's adolecent growth spurt, or perhaps a little past it now. si> When the two are in conflict, bet heavilly on good old Gaia. I am in total agreement....short of exploding everything we have in the way of nuclear armaments, there is nothing we can do to seriously hurt her. And even that wouldn't be her end....ours, maybe. Life would continue....I mean, they've even found life in the lightless, high pressure of undersea volcanic vents. Gwenny ... Mary had a little RAM -- only about a MEG or so. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Gwenny The Pooh Area: Mundane To: Farrell McGovern 15 Apr 94 13:34:00 Subject: This Echo UpdReq While bumping down stairs, Gwenny the Pooh heard Farrell McGovern say: GTP> So, what are the rules of Metaphysical? FM> Currently, for magazine type articles only. Later...when I have FM> finished being Co-Chair of CAN*CON in May, that will change. ttyl, I take it, from the name, that this means articles about magic or religion, right? I need to find my April issue of Discover. There is a cool article about an archealogist named Leon de Coeur who claims to have found the Holy Grail. Gwenny ... This tagline invisible to all whose I.Q. exceeds mine. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: LIANA Area: Mundane To: MERLYN 13 Apr 94 19:19:00 Subject: BLUE WAVE UpdReq ... An owl hooted in my ear of words by Merlyn to Liana ... L>Well hm. The thing is, I thought of this idea. I downloaded SLMR from my L>Sysop's board, hoping it would have a better editor (it does). But I like L>BlueWave's ability to write the quote header. So I did just what you said, L>using SLMR's editor. Didn't work, though. I received the prompt "we seem L>to have lost the editor!" :) Me> Did you put in the correct path for the editor in the config menu?? ie Me> c:\slmr\[editor name] That's just it. I did (at least I *think* I did it right... pf). Of course I deleted the program to save disk space... I'll download it again and try it once more... Thank you from the one of the "technically challenged." O:) Blessed Be! -l ... Princess feather basket with flying hands on keyboard ... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: LIANA Area: Mundane To: MERLYN 13 Apr 94 19:59:00 Subject: BLUE WAVE UpdReq ... An owl hooted in my ear of words by Merlyn to Liana ... L> Jr> Simple. Just: L> Jr> (1) Find yourself a text editor (you may already have one!) that has L> Jr> line wrap, such as the one I'm using right now, EZ Quote. L> Jr> (2) From the Blue Wave reader's configuration menu, get into L> Jr> "Directories" and change the editor screen to show your chosen L> Jr> editor's name. L>Well hm. The thing is, I thought of this idea. I downloaded SLMR from my L>Sysop's board, hoping it would have a better editor (it does). But I like L>BlueWave's ability to write the quote header. So I did just what you said, L>using SLMR's editor. Didn't work, though. I received the prompt "we seem L>to have lost the editor!" :) Me> Did you put in the correct path for the editor in the config menu?? ie Me> c:\slmr\[editor name] Yee Haw!!!!! It works, by gum! Ignore the previous post, if you will. I just did funny things to your message quoted above... not only does the text wrap but SLME reformats paragraphs after you chop them up to quote. Ahhh... modern technology. Thank you thank you thank you! Blessed Be! -l ... Princess feather basket with flying hands on keyboard ... ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Albertus Magnus Area: Mundane To: Star Hawk 16 Apr 94 12:25:14 Subject: greenhouse UpdReq SH> And it tells me that the process isn't fully understood and needs SH> a whole lot more study before making conclusions about outcomes. Quite emphatically true. Unfortunately many seem to have politics in mind when it comes to this issue, so it's doubtful we see anything of this sort in the near future. .\ .\.\ ... I play in the dark of the world. If I lose, I don't mind. - Danzig 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: The Cegorach Area: Mundane To: PAUL HUME 17 Apr 94 04:38:18 Subject: D&D UpdReq * Reply to msg originally in Magick3--Tech Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. -=> Quoting Paul Hume @93:9810/8 Via to Rusty Wallace @{not Avail <=- Re: RE: MISC. PH> I also used to be able to find the longest possible route through any PH> given dungeon level in D&D. Such power is dangerous (Yow! Mummmies PH> AGAIN!?) PH> Paul Heh...my secret mutant power was being able to go through an entire dungeon module *in numerical order*. :) Larry ... When "wide open spaces" brings parking to mind, die. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 VQWK 6.20 [Rev H - 04/04/94] 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718