From: Perimage Area: Metaphysical To: Paul Seymour 12 Aug 94 07:24:04 Subject: article (6 of 12) UpdReq PS> THE FINER POINTS OF RITUAL: PS> A Comparative Approach to PS> Liturgical History, Theology and Design PS> ======================================= PS> A Heartland Pagan Festival Keynote Address PS> by Mike Nichols PS> (Part 6 of 12) PS>Mike Nichols: Okay, good point. I can think of an Irish example of that, n PS>that you mention it. The Chucullain legend is a good example. Chucullain, PS>who was originally Setanta, accidentally on purpose kills this very ferociou PS>dog, and walks up to the gate-keeper and says, "I've killed your dog and I PS>would PS>like to replace him." And the gate-keeper says "Fine, there go some cats. PS>Get PS>busy." (LAUGHTER) I think that's where that joke started. (Much deleted) I'm not certain that this message will look the same to you as it does to me, but I have tried to include enough of the original post to indicate the problem I am having. My offline reader is limited to 80 character line length and wraps longer lines, thus increasing line count beyond the limit and causing truncation of the message. In some of the lines, I saw about ten characters on the second line, indicating that the original may have used a line length of ninety characters. Is there any way to get this re-edited so that it will fit on such limited systems as mine? I know what a huge job it was to put it together originally, but I really would like to have the whole thing intact, if possible. PS>Morning Glory: There's another aspect of that, too, with the Host, the idea PS>of Which is where Part 6 cuts off... Thanks and B*B PeriMage --- OLX 2.1 TD It's just a transient idiopathic software anomaly. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Albertus Magnus Area: Metaphysical To: All 13 Aug 94 17:25:46 Subject: Crime Bill Rules roll call UpdReq AP 08/11 The 225-210 roll call Thursday (8/11/94) by which the House refused to allow a $33.2 billion crime bill package to come before the chamber for a vote. A "yes" vote was to debate the package on the House floor. A "no" vote was to block further consideration. Voting yes were 198 Democrats, 11 Republicans and one independent. Voting no were 58 Democrats and 167 Republicans. ALABAMA Democrats -- Bevill, Y; Browder, N; Cramer, Y; Hilliard, N. Republicans -- Bachus, N; Callahan, N; Everett, N. ALASKA Republicans -- Young, N. ARIZONA Democrats -- Coppersmith, Y; English, Y; Pastor, Y. Republicans -- Kolbe, N; Kyl, N; Stump, N. ARKANSAS Democrats -- Lambert, Y; Thornton, Y. Republicans -- Dickey, N; Hutchinson, N. CALIFORNIA Democrats -- Becerra, Y; Beilenson, Y; Berman, Y; Brown, Y; Condit, Y; Dellums, Y; Dixon, Y; Dooley, Y; Edwards, Y; Eshoo, Y; Farr, Y; Fazio, Y; Filner, Y; Hamburg, Y; Harman, Y; Lantos, Y; Lehman, Y; Martinez, Y; Matsui, Y; Miller, Y; Mineta, Y; Pelosi, Y; Roybal-Allard, Y; Schenk, Y; Stark, Y; Torres, Y; Tucker, Y; Waters, N; Waxman, Y; Woolsey, Y. Republicans -- Baker, N; Calvert, N; Cox, N; Cunningham, N; Doolittle, N; Dornan, N; Dreier, N; Gallegly, N; Herger, N; Horn, N; Huffington, N; Hunter, N; Kim, N; Lewis, N; McCandless, N; McKeon, N; Moorhead, N; Packard, N; Pombo, N; Rohrabacher, N; Royce, N; Thomas, N. COLORADO Democrats -- Schroeder, Y; Skaggs, Y. Republicans -- Allard, N; Hefley, N; McInnis, N; Schaefer, N. CONNECTICUT Democrats -- DeLauro, Y; Gejdenson, Y; Kennelly, Y. Republicans -- Franks, N; Johnson, Y; Shays, Y. DELAWARE Republicans -- Castle, N. FLORIDA Democrats -- Bacchus, Y; Brown, Y; Deutsch, Y; Gibbons, Y; Hastings, Y; Hutto, Y; Johnston, Y; Meek, Y; Peterson, N; Thurman, N. Republicans -- Bilirakis, N; Canady, N; Diaz-Balart, N; Fowler, N; Goss, N; Lewis, N; McCollum, N; Mica, N; Miller, N; Ros-Lehtinen, N; Shaw, N; Stearns, N; Young, N. GEORGIA Democrats -- Bishop, Y; Darden, Y; Deal, N; Johnson, Y; Lewis, N; McKinney, Y; Rowland, Y. Republicans -- Collins, N; Gingrich, N; Kingston, N; Linder, N. HAWAII Democrats -- Abercrombie, Y; Mink, Y. IDAHO Democrats -- LaRocco, N. Republicans -- Crapo, N. ILLINOIS Democrats -- Collins, Y; Costello, N; Durbin, Y; Evans, Y; Gutierrez, Y; Lipinski, Y; Poshard, N; Reynolds, Y; Rostenkowski, Y; Rush, Y; Sangmeister, Y; Yates, Y. Republicans -- Crane, N; Ewing, N; Fawell, N; Hastert, N; Hyde, N; Manzullo, N; Michel, N; Porter, N. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Albertus Magnus Area: Metaphysical To: All 13 Aug 94 17:26:40 Subject: roll call part 2 UpdReq INDIANA Democrats -- Hamilton, N; Jacobs, Y; Long, Y; McCloskey, Y; Roemer, Y; Sharp, Y; Visclosky, Y. Republicans -- Burton, N; Buyer, N; Myers, N. IOWA Democrats -- Smith, N. Republicans -- Grandy, Y; Leach, N; Lightfoot, N; Nussle, N. KANSAS Democrats -- Glickman, Y; Slattery, Y. Republicans -- Meyers, Y; Roberts, N. KENTUCKY Democrats -- Baesler, Y; Barlow, Y; Mazzoli, Y. Republicans -- Bunning, N; Lewis, N; Rogers, N. LOUISIANA Democrats -- Fields, N; Hayes, N; Jefferson, Y; Tauzin, N. Republicans -- Baker, N; Livingston, N; McCrery, N. MAINE Democrats -- Andrews, Y. Republicans -- Snowe, N. MARYLAND Democrats -- Cardin, Y; Hoyer, Y; Mfume, Y; Wynn, Y. Republicans -- Bartlett, N; Bentley, N; Gilchrest, N; Morella, Y. MASSACHUSETTS Democrats -- Frank, Y; Kennedy, Y; Markey, Y; Meehan, Y; Moakley, Y; Neal, Y; Olver, Y; Studds, Y. Republicans -- Blute, Y; Torkildsen, N. MICHIGAN Democrats -- Barcia, N; Bonior, Y; Carr, Y; Collins, Y; Conyers, Y; Dingell, Y; Ford, Y; Kildee, Y; Levin, Y; Stupak, N. Republicans -- Camp, N; Ehlers, N; Hoekstra, N; Knollenberg, N; Smith, N; Upton, N. MINNESOTA Democrats -- Minge, Y; Oberstar, Y; Penny, Y; Peterson, N; Sabo, Y; Vento, Y. Republicans -- Grams, N; Ramstad, Y. MISSISSIPPI Democrats -- Montgomery, Y; Parker, N; Taylor, N; Thompson, Y; Whitten, Y. MISSOURI Democrats -- Clay, N; Danner, N; Gephardt, Y; Skelton, N; Volkmer, N; Wheat, Y. Republicans -- Emerson, N; Hancock, N; Talent, N. MONTANA Democrats -- Williams, N. NEBRASKA Democrats -- Hoagland, Y. Republicans -- Barrett, N; Bereuter, N. NEVADA Democrats -- Bilbray, Y. Republicans -- Vucanovich, N. NEW HAMPSHIRE Democrats -- Swett, Y. Republicans -- Zeliff, N. NEW JERSEY Democrats -- Andrews, Y; Hughes, Y; Klein, Y; Menendez, Y; Pallone, Y; Payne, Y; Torricelli, Y. Republicans -- Franks, N; Gallo, N; Roukema, Y; Saxton, N; Smith, N; Zimmer, N. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Albertus Magnus Area: Metaphysical To: All 13 Aug 94 17:27:50 Subject: Roll Call Part 3 UpdReq NEW MEXICO Democrats -- Richardson, Y. Republicans -- Schiff, N; Skeen, N. NEW YORK Democrats -- Ackerman, Y; Engel, Y; Flake, Y; Hinchey, Y; Hochbrueckner, Y; LaFalce, Y; Lowey, Y; Maloney, Y; Manton, Y; McNulty, Y; Nadler, Y; Owens, Y; Rangel, N; Schumer, Y; Serrano, Y; Slaughter, Y; Towns, Y; Velazquez, Y. Republicans -- Boehlert, Y; Fish, N; Gilman, N; Houghton, Y; King, N; Lazio, N; Levy, N; McHugh, N; Molinari, N; Paxon, N; Quinn, Y; Solomon, N; Walsh, N. NORTH CAROLINA Democrats -- Clayton, Y; Hefner, Y; Lancaster, N; Neal, Y; Price, Y; Rose, Y; Valentine, Y; Watt, N. Republicans -- Ballenger, N; Coble, N; McMillan, N; Taylor, N. NORTH DAKOTA Democrats -- Pomeroy, Y. OHIO Democrats -- Applegate, Y; Brown, Y; Fingerhut, Y; Hall, Y; Kaptur, Y; Mann, Y; Sawyer, Y; Stokes, N; Strickland, N; Traficant, Y. Republicans -- Boehner, N; Gillmor, N; Hobson, N; Hoke, N; Kasich, N; Oxley, N; Portman, N; Pryce, N; Regula, N. OKLAHOMA Democrats -- Brewster, N; McCurdy, N; Synar, Y. Republicans -- Inhofe, N; Istook, N; Lucas, N. OREGON Democrats -- DeFazio, N; Furse, Y; Kopetski, Y; Wyden, Y. Republicans -- Smith, N. PENNSYLVANIA Democrats -- Blackwell, Y; Borski, Y; Coyne, Y; Foglietta, Y; Holden, N; Kanjorski, Y; Klink, N; Margolies-Mezvinsky, Y; McHale, Y; Murphy, Y; Murtha, Y. Republicans -- Clinger, N; Gekas, N; Goodling, N; Greenwood, N; McDade, N; Ridge, N; Santorum, N; Shuster, N; Walker, N; Weldon, N. RHODE ISLAND Democrats -- Reed, Y. Republicans -- Machtley, N. SOUTH CAROLINA Democrats -- Clyburn, Y; Derrick, Y; Spratt, Y. Republicans -- Inglis, N; Ravenel, N; Spence, N. SOUTH DAKOTA Democrats -- Johnson, Y. TENNESSEE Democrats -- Clement, Y; Cooper, N; Ford, Y; Gordon, Y; Lloyd, Y; Tanner, N. Republicans -- Duncan, N; Quillen, N; Sundquist, N. TEXAS Democrats -- Andrews, Y; Brooks, Y; Bryant, Y; Chapman, N; Coleman, Y; de la Garza, N; Edwards, Y; Frost, Y; Geren, N; Gonzalez, Y; Green, Y; Hall, N; Johnson, E. B., Y; Laughlin, N; Ortiz, N; Pickle, Y; Sarpalius, N; Stenholm, N; Tejeda, N; Washington, N; Wilson, N. Republicans -- Archer, N; Armey, N; Barton, N; Bonilla, N; Combest, N; DeLay, N; Fields, N; Johnson, Sam, N; Smith, N. UTAH Democrats -- Orton, N; Shepherd, Y. Republicans -- Hansen, N. VERMONT Others -- Sanders, Y. VIRGINIA Democrats -- Boucher, N; Byrne, Y; Moran, Y; Payne, N; Pickett, N; Scott, N; Sisisky, N. Republicans -- Bateman, N; Bliley, N; Goodlatte, N; Wolf, N. WASHINGTON Democrats -- Cantwell, Y; Dicks, Y; Foley, Y; Inslee, Y; Kreidler, Y; McDermott, Y; Swift, Y; Unsoeld, N. Republicans -- Dunn, N. WEST VIRGINIA Democrats -- Mollohan, N; Rahall, N; Wise, N. WISCONSIN Democrats -- Barca, Y; Barrett, Y; Kleczka, Y; Obey, Y. Republicans -- Gunderson, N; Klug, N; Petri, N; Roth, N; Sensenbrenner, N. WYOMING Republicans -- Thomas, N. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Albertus Magnus Area: Metaphysical To: All 13 Aug 94 17:30:04 Subject: Crime Bill news pt1 UpdReq AP 08/12 WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Clinton Friday vowed to "fight and fight and fight" to resurrect his $33.2 billion crime bill, and senior lawmakers discussed changing a controversial assault-weapons ban to help squeeze the measure through the House. Clinton set out this morning to Minnesota to address a police group as part of the White House's campaign to salvage the measure that was shelved Thursday by a coalition of Republicans, anti-gun control Democrats and blacks upset over an expanded death penalty. In the House, Speaker Thomas Foley said lawmakers would return to the Capitol to vote anew on a crime bill, the number one issue in polls this summer. "We are going to put this bill over the top," he said. At a breakfast meeting with reporters, Majority Leader Richard Gephardt was asked if the crime bill could be passed with the assault-weapons ban that sparked a furious campaign by the National Rifle Association. "I think so, but probably not the same one," he replied. Some Democrats also spoke of trimming some of the provisions that Republicans ridiculed as "pork" before sending the measure back to the floor. But they said they didn't expect to open bipartisan talks with Republicans on the measure. One of the items of "pork" criticized by Republicans was an authorization of $10 million to establish a criminal justice research and education center at Lamar University in Beaumont, Texas, represented by House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jack Brooks. Key Democrats involved in crafting the crime bill said they were unaware it was in there. It came to light in a July 29 news release from the university touting it, and House GOP leaders cited it in an Aug. 5 memo as one of seven reasons for Republican members to oppose the rule. "Who knows what lurks deep in the fine print?" the memo asked. Clinton's trip had a bipartisan aura, as mayors of both parties made the journey aboard Air Force One. He criticized the lawmakers who had voted to keep the crime bill from reaching the floor. Those opposed "decided that their political security was more important than the personal security of the American people." "This crime bill cannot die," Clinton said outside the White House, "Congress has an obligation to the American people that goes way beyond politics and way beyond party." Poll after poll, he said, showed crime the top worry of the American people and "if we can't meet this concern there is something badly wrong in Washington." Republican Mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York and Democratic Mayors Edward Rendell of Philadelphia and William Campbell of Atlanta were with Clinton at the White House. Giuliani and Rendell were accompanying him to Minneapolis to appear before a convention of the 200,000-member National Association of Police Organizations, which strongly supported the bill. "We are going to fight and fight and fight until we win this battle for the American people," Clinton said. Democrats emerged from a closed-door caucus that originally had been called to discuss health care but turned instead to crime. Sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, said one lawmaker had warned his colleagues that they risked losing majority control if they couldn't pass the crime measure, one of the centerpieces of the Democrats' election-year agenda. His remarks were met with applause. But lawmakers expressed different views on how to proceed, some saying the assault-weapons ban should be stripped from the bill and voted on separately, and others saying the leadership should repackage the measure in a way that can allow enough Democrats to change their votes and reverse the outcome. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Albertus Magnus Area: Metaphysical To: All 13 Aug 94 17:31:48 Subject: Crime Bill news pt2 UpdReq The 225-210 vote on Thursday blocked the bill from coming to the floor. A switch of eight votes would reverse the outcome and permit a vote on final passage. Aides said Democratic leaders had met Thursday night with Senate Judiciary Committee Joseph Biden, D-Del., in hopes they could quickly regroup. For Republicans, the vote Thursday represented a rare chance to set back the Democrats on a highly charged issue. House GOP Whip Newt Gingrich of Georgia said the Republicans are prepared to go back to conference Friday. "I think we should strengthen the bill and then I think we should bring it back to the floor," he said on CBS. Gingrich said it was wrong for the administration to characterize Thursday night's vote as a procedural "trick" orchestrated by the gun lobby. "The rules vote was an honorable, legitimate vote," Gingrich said. "It's a vote on whether or not to bring up a bill. It's not a trick; it's part of the process of the Congress." Looking to give Democrats a powerful election-year victory, Clinton had lobbied ferociously on behalf of the bill, which would have fulfilled his campaign pledge to put 100,000 more police officers on the street. The six-year legislation also would have banned many assault-style firearms, provided billions for prisons and crime prevention, made more than 50 additional crimes subject to the death penalty and allowed life sentences for some third-time felons. In blocking the legislation, 167 Republicans and 58 Democrats voted against the rules governing debate and voting procedures. Voting in favor were 198 Democrats, 11 Republicans and one independent. Democratic gun-control opponents objected to the firearms ban, and about 10 black lawmakers rejected the bill because it expanded the death penalty and did not include a provision making it easier to prove racial discrimination in capital cases. Clinton indicated a willingness to compromise but said any bill must include the 100,000 police, the assault-style firearms ban, a ban on juvenile ownership of handguns and life sentences for those who commit a third violent or drug felony. The National Rifle Association, which lost assault-style firearms ban votes in the Senate and the House, most recently when the House passed it by a 216-214 vote in May, called Thursday's action a "step ahead for real safety and genuine security." "We Americans want precisely the opposite of what politicians offered them," said Tanya Metaksa, the NRA's chief lobbyist. "We want prisons, not pork; police, not empty promises; crime-fighters, not social workers." 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718