From: Darrin Hyrup Area: Magical Plants To: Tony Iannotti 13 Aug 92 21:55:40 Subject: Re: Wormwood extract available Rec'd UpdReq In a message dated 12 Aug 92 10:06:58, Tony Iannotti wrote: DH> I've recently recieved requests for wormwood DH> extract, and decided to invest in making some. To DH> this end, I'm also making it available to any DH> interested parties at the following prices: TI> Count me in when you get the check. I'd like to get some of the TI> Abramelin I've seen Gerald post all over about as well. Details via TI> Snail. Thanks! Sounds good! Looking forward to your mail. 93, Darrin 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nachash Area: Magical Plants To: Jasmine Voorhees 14 Aug 92 03:03:20 Subject: Re: Kava kava extract. UpdReq Hello! JV> They also sell a bunch JV> of other great stuff, seeds, plants, directions, and other misc. JV> stuff. In the catalog is all kinds of info about what the plants do. A JV> great source for South American/rainforest plants. === ...of the jungle is a great company! I would be most interested to know if you are growing anything that you have received from them or have you only purchased the plant material/extracts? I just received a new batch of seeds from them last week and am trying to germinate them now.... I would be very interested in your experiences! 93, NChSh ... Papa Gd bel Ga'on! L'habill tout en noi'! Pou'l mont au Palais! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nachash Area: Magical Plants To: Wesley Arnold 14 Aug 92 03:44:46 Subject: Re: CALEA.... UpdReq Wesley, 93. WA> Woodrose (Argyreia Nervosa) is best described... My few experiences with A. nervose have been basically unimpressive. I have found the seeds to give me stomach cramps but I think that may have been due to not removing all of the strichnine from the seeds coat.... The experiences are hard to describe and not noteworthy. WA> Datura....well. Depends on how you imbibe it, and how much. Very interesting.... My only experiments to date have been with smoking small doses of the leaves. Since these experiments took place over 5 years ago, I am a little unclear regarding the results. If I remember correctly, the strongest effect was drowsiness and vivid dreams that I could not recall upon waking. WA> The species I have used personally are: Datura WA> Stramonium (Jimson Weed), Brugmansia Sanguinea and Brunfelsia WA> Grandiflora. Interesting! I am currently growing two species of D. metel along with D. meteloides. I have a few B. sp. seeds germinating also. I have a large supply of viable seeds from a beautiful D. metel species that I grew last year and would be more than happy to send you a packet. WA> B. Sanguinea also has strong measures of N,N-dimethyltryptamine, I was unaware of that. I have a packet of seeds of that species on order and will have to keep that in mind. Regarding plants containing harmala alkaloids, have you checked out the description of the various Acacia species from Australia in the ...otj catalog? WA> No, not really. Calea really hasn't much of a physical effect, so WA> drumming was pretty easy, and in fact, since Calea makes one more WA> aware of their heartbeat, you get an excellent metronome to keep time WA> to! Hehehe. Well, that's good news, 'cause I need all the help I can get when it comes to drumming! ;) I considered ordering a batch of the Calea plant material, but upon reconsidering, decided to order the seeds and just grow my own. I have some germinating right now as a matter of fact! WA> No, I haven't, even though I have it earmarked for my next order from WA> ...otj. Sounds very interesting...what information do you possess/have WA> you firsthand information on about H. Salicifolia? I'd be interested WA> in hearing it. I have very basic information about it. The last season I grew some, I was unaware of the fact that fresh leaves were needed to make the brew. I tried dried leaves and had little results at all. Now that I have more information on the process, I hope to experiment with this species in the very near future. I also have a very large supply if viable seed of this species if you would want some... WA> Next point. Yes, depending upon the plant. It's not something I WA> would mix with B. Caapi (ayahuasca) or any other such hallucinogen, WA> but in conjunction with some of the milder narcotic herbs it works WA> very nicely. You sounds as if you have already experimented along these lines ;) Any other details you would care to share? > Yes, it does. Thanks! Btw, if you would like some Heimia seeds to > try and grow some, I have a large viable batch and would be morw than happy > to send you a supply. Ooops. Forgot I alreay offered these to you ;) WA> You bet! I'll take ANYTHING for free, and in fact, I have many, many WA> seeds of varying types that you might be interested in...such as: WA> Trichocereus Pachanoi (San Pedro) WA> Trichocereus Peruvianus (San Pedro with a kick!) WA> Datura Stramonium WA> Atropa Belladonna WA> Nicotiana Rustica WA> N. Glauca WA> N. Attenuata WA> Brugmansia Sanguinea WA> Tagetes Lucida Of the above list, I would be most interested in the Tagetes L. I have tried to get a batch of N. glauca going but accidently let the seedlings dry out too much and have not tried again. What other seeds do you have? Do you grow all of the above? I would especially like to hear your growing technique for the cacti. WA> My address is 3518 E. Friess Drive, Phoenix, AZ 85032... A letter will be out to you this weekend! 93 93/93 NChSh ... Papa Gd bel Ga'on! L'habill tout en noi'! Pou'l mont au Palais! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nachash Area: Magical Plants To: Gerald Del Campo 14 Aug 92 03:48:06 Subject: Re: herbal freedom UpdReq Gerald, 93. GDC> Please feel free to copy this for folks without computers, and GDC> please post this message on other echos as well; especially the GDC> Magick Plants echo. Thank you for the info and I plan to do just that! Please feel free to go into further detail..... 93 93/93 NChSh ... Attibon Legba ouvri bay pou' moin ago! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nachash Area: Magical Plants To: Darrin Hyrup 14 Aug 92 03:51:50 Subject: Re: Wormwood extract available UpdReq Daryl, 93. DH> I've recently recieved requests for wormwood extract, and DH> decided to invest in making some. Interesting! I would defintely be interested in a batch when ready. Are you growing the Artesima yourself? Also, can you please go into as much detail as possible regarding your extraction techniques? 93 93/93 NChSh ... Attibon Legba ouvri bay pou' moin ago! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nachash Area: Magical Plants To: Narda van Mazijk 14 Aug 92 03:54:20 Subject: Re: SOUND-OFF UpdReq Narda, 93. NvM> I'm calling from the Netherlands, but I don't write in this area NvM> because my Englisch is'nt what it must be. (-: Welcome to the Magick Plants echo! I can understand your English quite well! ;-) 93 93/93 NChSh ... Ala loa march nan dleau, c'est Damballa! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nachash Area: Magical Plants To: Oscar Van Volen 14 Aug 92 04:01:40 Subject: Re: Hello from The Netherlands UpdReq Oscar, 93. Greetings and welcome to the echo! Chaos Box is doing a very nice job of getting this echo out all over Europe... ;-) OVV> I have been BBSing now for several years on FIDO boards etc. (the OVV> tech. stuff), this is the first time I get in touch with a net like That I do not doubt! OVV> And I really like it. What is the average mail flow for this echo OVV> per day ? And which countrys are connected ? For the last few months the echo has seen very little traffic although things are picking up.... OVV> I don't know if this is allowed in this area, but I cultivate my own OVV> cannabis plants (for privat use only). I would prefer that we keep the discussions away from Cannabis. I am sure you know the status of that herb here in the States and I feel it is best to avoid discussing it. This echo is for the rarer (and mostly legal!) "magickal" plants. OVV> We have got a different law in the Netherlands than you have. Lucky you! ;-) 93 93/93 NChSh ... Papa Gd bel Ga'on! L'habill tout en noi'! Pou'l mont au Palais! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nachash Area: Magical Plants To: Fra.: Apfelmann 14 Aug 92 04:06:36 Subject: Re: Hello from The Netherlands UpdReq Hendrik, 93. FA> So we should exchange some seeds ! (Goofy's does have my FA> snail-address) Do you grow them indoors or outdoors ? Alas dear friend, but please do not continue this message thread or subject. We would not want to have to close shop on our nice echo due to undue attention from the authorities here in the States. I am sure you understand. This echo is controversial enough without discussing Scheduled substances that bring stiff penalties and incarceration. I have yet to move my file base to disk for you, but I do have a package of seeds and reading material for you. I will mail it out this weekend. More to follow! Disks very soon! 93 93/93 NChSh ... Papa Gd bel Ga'on! L'habill tout en noi'! Pou'l mont au Palais! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nachash Area: Magical Plants To: Frc 14 Aug 92 04:10:20 Subject: Re: Calea.... UpdReq Brother FRC, 93. Fr> My experience was the same and I was VERY surprised. From the blurb Fr> in the OTJ catalog, it emphasied the dream states elicited and I Fr> expected a deep sleep with intense dreams (although they did mention Fr> spontaneous awakening through the night). My dreams were vivid, but Fr> they bordered more on hypnogogic imagery of a more intense nature than Fr> I've ever experienced. Fr> The auditory distortions were the most interesting part of the state. What doses have you experimented with? Even though you give the impression that you were unimpressed with it, I am eager to give it a try; although I would prefer to bypass the bad taste/nausea aspect of it! 93 93/93 NChSh ... Ala loa march nan dleau, c'est Damballa! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Frater Almost Area: Magical Plants To: Narda van Mazijk 14 Aug 92 19:22:30 Subject: Re: SOUND-OFF Sent UpdReq The Netherlands.... where everything illegal in this piss-poor country called the United States suddenly becomes.... Legal! I love you folks. I really need to visit there sometime soon. :) As to your English not being what it was.... Don't worry...... Where I live, English is about a foreign Language! ;) pax from Alabama! 93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Frater Almost Area: Magical Plants To: Oscar Van Volen 14 Aug 92 19:24:58 Subject: Hello from The Netherlands Sent UpdReq Well, I am no longer in charge of this area but this seems okay to me. I like your laws...... The U.S.A. really needs to lighten up.... I will vote CLinton and pray that he legalizes cannabis. :) Talk to Frater NACHASH about the rules.... He's in chrage. ;) Pax. 93 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Nachash Area: Magical Plants To: Darrin Hyrup 14 Aug 92 15:25:44 Subject: Re: Wormwood extract available UpdReq -=> Quoting Nachash to Darrin Hyrup <=- Na> Daryl, ^^^^^ Don't ask me where that came from! :x 93! ... Ala loa march nan dleau, c'est Damballa! 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718 From: Turbator Area: Magical Plants To: Darrin Hyrup 14 Aug 92 21:56:14 Subject: Wormwood extract available UpdReq --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Mumbo Jumbo Kathedral (666:93/93) SEEN-BY: 93/93 202/311 278/666 308/60 396/53 1000/1 2000/1 2603/402 2604/407 SEEN-BY: 9400/0 718499927771849992777184999277718499927771849992777184999277718