From: Maat Area: MagickNet To: Desperado 21 Feb 98 00:43:04 Subject: re: candles.. and.... UpdReq You want to change your hair color using magic(k) ? You'd be safer getting the dye .. :) Shape shifting is not something you should be attempting .... and for it to work.. you would have to practicing quite the high/low magick indeed.... (something of which you do not have any idea at this point) -- not to be rude .... but don't try everything you see in the movies... (that isn't to say that it won't work.. ) But .... Balance is the key issue here.... and if you don't have it... It will have you ! for lunch ! Enuf said... Maat 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Maat Area: MagickNet To: Matt Drury 21 Feb 98 00:29:00 Subject: Divination tidbit UpdReq Thank you for that information... -D 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Maat Area: MagickNet To: All 21 Feb 98 00:25:00 Subject: Finding Pagan groups to belong to. UpdReq (I'm not pagan... but... this should work for anything..) Do an internet search.. using... yahoo or whatever.. (www.yahoo.com) for the search criteria.. simply enter : pagan faq ..... You take it from there... Light, Life, Love Dave 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Maat Area: MagickNet To: All 21 Feb 98 00:38:02 Subject: learning the basics UpdReq A good book to start with might be Apprenticed to Magic ..... -Dave 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Maat Area: MagickNet To: GardenStone 21 Feb 98 00:35:02 Subject: Mass of Choronzon UpdReq Well that's nice.. At least you didn't give the enochian pronunciations... Now why would you want to do that anyway? ! ? Maat 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Maat Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 21 Feb 98 00:53:08 Subject: Solitaries? Darker Side o UpdReq Well... I have another take on light/dark..... play in the light.... LEARN in the dark..... -Maat 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Maat Area: MagickNet To: Shabaa 21 Feb 98 01:03:10 Subject: Solitaries? Darker Side o UpdReq ... From center stage, Shabaa declaimed eloquently to Kandilokai Ach Ishte ... SS> > =>> One must believe in good to believe in evil. Without good as a SS> > S=>> counterbalance, one could have no judgement of that which is evil, SS> > S=>> methinks.. Same with light and dark... As for grey, yes, I believe SS> > that SS> > S=>> there are varying shades between the two sides. (There are things SS> > that SS> > S=>> are heavy and things that are light, but some things are heavier SS> > that SS> > S=>> others.. i.e. compared to a bowling ball, a basketball is light, SS> > but SS> > S=>> when you compare the basketball to beach ball, it is the basketball SS> > that SS> > S=>> is heavy. Is this not so?) SS> SS> > S=>So basically above you agreed....Correct?<> SS> SS> > I basically agreed above, except that I do not view what many refer to SS> as SS> > deities as such. To me there are certainly beings that are spiritually SS> > my better, and far beyond my simple understanding. To me, however, they SS> > are no more deities than I am to a cave man who sees me light a fire SS> with SS> > a pocket lighter, or sees me fly overhead on a hang-glider (as if any SS> > would actually see me do so!) SS> SS> Shame you don't<> on the latter part! As far as the rest, SS> it is just a means of realization or better put a SS> representation for something understandable for us lowly SS> humans! hehe SS> SS> > S=>> What would you define as dark magick? As compared to light magick? >>>> Truly DARK magick... or BLACK magick... truly EVIL magick.. is rare.... because most people do not have this much power... period. It would be a person that was completely heartless -- cold completely , and completely insensitive... yet able to direct their will with force. And... it would be someone that was trying to injure someone else... (on the other hand..) --- You may want to consider this : Any kind of magic that is manipulative (to control others) - can be considered Black Magic , and will have its repercussions..... SS> > I SS> > S=>> tend to think of light magick as works that are defensive or benign SS> > in SS> > S=>> nature such as sight, and healing, and shielding, and so on. (kind SS> > of SS> > S=>> like stepping out of the way of a blow before a guy hits you, SS> > putting a SS> > S=>> bandaid on a scrape that you got building a wall to protect your SS> > innocent SS> > S=>> ones.) Dark majick I would tend to define as more offensive types SS> > of SS> > S=>> works, such as binding, purging, striking. > the guy SS> > S=>> who is trying to hit you before he can hit you, or blocking his SS> > punch and SS> > S=>> then hitting back, or drawing your sword and chasing him away to SS> > protect SS> > S=>> your innocent ones. SS> SS> > S=>I use whatever is neccesary at the time to achieve the end goal SS> > whether it b SS> SS> > S=>passive(light) or active forceful(dark). SS> SS> > It seems that we agree here, though I generally think of them as active SS> > and passive. Calling active "Dark" and passive "Light" assumes that SS> > taking action is a bad thing. I do not believe that at all. SS> SS> Nor do I. SS> Action in itself is not bad... Force in itself is not bad... It is intent -- that could be "bad" ... and it is "result" that should be your indicator if SS> > S=>> your comment about protecting yourself and those who cannot protect SS> > S=>> themselves, but even promoting your own growth points to this) that SS> > you SS> > S=>> are not so much as dark practitioner as you may think. It sounds SS> to SS> > me SS> SS> > S=>I think you did not have all the info you needed to make an SS> > assessment, but SS> > S=>you may have enough now to reconsider a bit.... I have given you more SS> > to wor SS> > S=>with, you asked the right question IMHO! SS> SS> > So far, I think I still have the same assessment. You do what it takes SS> > to get the job done. You are assertive in that you will get the job SS> done SS> > by whatever means are appropriate and necessary. I'm still uncertain SS> why SS> > you refer to it as dark? I do the same things to get the job done, and SS> > to protect those that are in my charge (among others that are not SS> > necessarily directly in my charge) but I do not consider myself a dark SS> > practitioner. I am simply a warrior, and a warrior must use all that is SS> > at his means to accomplish his victory for whatever reason he feels he SS> > must win. SS> SS> I do not cast protective spells over an individual, rather I SS> take on the SS> source head on for example....This is NOT in traditional SS> keeping with the SS> Wiccan way so to speak IMHO, remember the harm none....I do SS> not believe that SS> in protection of a person is always accomplished by not SS> harming someone or SS> something. Thus the openly willful deliberate harming of SS> another thus dark. SS> Although the ends is justified, the means, according to the SS> Wiccan way is SS> not. And no, I don't just hap-hazardly go throwing magick SS> around, I consider well what it is before I do anything..... SS> Although you may not know him or of him, ask Domino, he can SS> tell you, for the most part I'm VERY laid back and SS> considerate of situations and souls first. SS> SS> > S=>> magick, or innocent of the world, but innocent of the warriors way, SS> > and SS> > S=>> the battles the warrior will fight.) Without such innocents as SS> > healers, SS> > S=>> the warrior cannot stay fit for battle. Without such innocents as SS> > seers, SS> > S=>> the warrior cannot well know where the battle is, and how best to SS> > fight SS> > S=>> it. Often the warrior is misunderstood, and seen as a brute, who SS> > knows SS> > S=>> nothing except how to fight. Remember this. Without the Warrior, SS> > there SS> > S=>> would be no people, but without people there would be no reason for SS> > the SS> > S=>> Warrior. SS> SS> > S=>Agreement in complete! SS> SS> > So I am still confused, nay even more so, as to why you consider this a SS> > dark path. What you do many must do for the sake of all. SS> SS> Because you are willing to harm another to meet the end SS> goal. That's all. SS> Abreq ad Hbra SS> Shab (i can't get rid of this following sentence) (so I guess I'm stuck with it.. oh well..) your good morals do not come into play. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Maat Area: MagickNet To: Shabaa 21 Feb 98 01:05:10 Subject: Solitaries? Darker Side o UpdReq Well... when it comes right down to it... You are playing with the laws of the universe.. And it is true in the general scheme of things -- your morals will not come into play... and consider this... what you are creating here -- you are creating in multitudinous realities - simultaneously... If you follow natural law, you will get result... if you don't follow the law you will not.. What that result may be is another thing entirely. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Maat Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 21 Feb 98 01:07:12 Subject: Solitaries? Darker Side o UpdReq Well... things *are* relative.... but if you don't play by the rules... you *will* get burned.... 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Maat Area: MagickNet To: The Cegorach 21 Feb 98 00:50:06 Subject: WAVs of Enochian Calls UpdReq Why? 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Maat Area: MagickNet To: The Cegorach 21 Feb 98 00:52:08 Subject: WAVs of Enochian Calls UpdReq (in response to my last message). Be careful with the Enchocian Calls... I did one of 'em (I won't say which) and my best friend turned into a demon from hell.. no joke.... sure... there was a lesson to be learned.... but..... . ... . .. . . . . .. For each and every action, there is an exact opposite reaction..... (perhaps something to keep in mind) . . . . Maat 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Maat Area: MagickNet To: The Storyteller 21 Feb 98 00:46:04 Subject: Worlock? UpdReq uh... All books are out there... Enuf said... Maat 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Maat Area: MagickNet To: The Storyteller 21 Feb 98 00:49:06 Subject: Worlock? UpdReq Good answer.... Indeed for someone to aggrandize themself with all of their associations -- be them fictious or not , .. . . . . they either have demolished the ego completely and rebuilt it.... (unlikely) ..... or they are feeling their oates .... > the best path, when in doubt is *silence* < and often, even when not in doubt... -Maat 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718