From: MacFinn Area: MagickNet To: Luscious 17 Jan 97 15:45:08 Subject: Re: bardic magic UpdReq L> think I might just try L> to remember that one ..hhehehe... L> Lusciously Yours, L> Luscious I do try to wax witty from time to time...even if I do have the flu. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: MacFinn Area: MagickNet To: Shabaa 17 Jan 97 15:45:58 Subject: Re: Worlock? UpdReq S> Typo. I do it a lot when concentrating on something S> other than spelling and I S> rarely run my spell checker unfortunetly :) I consider myself a Warlock, S> only because I don't completely agree with ALL wiccan S> beliefs. However, I don't neccesarily agree with ALL of S> the darkside teaching either so I guess I'm a middle of S> the road type or even worse as stated by some, A Clinton Question: why would you call yourself something scornful, a Benidict Arnold? Warlock from wearlog, "an oathbreaker, a traitor". That is the only meaning of the word, and it is not a ref. to a type of magician (contrary to the Hollywood film industry). I would take it as a personal insult if someone called me a Warlock. IF you haven't taken any oath to be broken you are not a warlock. Likewise, Magick is neither black or white, Magick -is-. A 'dark' brother is one who allows his will to be subverted by another person or organisation; one who is not true to themself. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Balanone Area: MagickNet To: Shabaa 16 Jan 97 19:47:16 Subject: Worlock? UpdReq On Jan 15, 1997, Shabaa wrote to Balanone re: Re: Worlock? B> * Reply to a message in wicca, posted in Magicknet since it's not B> on-topic in the WICCA echo, also sent to Shabaa netmail in case she B> doesn't get the Magicknet echo. Shabaa -- I can pull in just about any B> PODS echo which would be appropriate for this discussion, if you don't B> receive Magicknet. Or we can discuss it in Netmail if that's an option B> for you. S> S> No problem on posting in this echo instead of Wicca, but out of S> curiosity, what part was inappropriate. I think I was just agreeing S> with a prior post? Oh, your post was completely on topic. It was /my/ post, my question concerning your use of the term Worlock, which was off-topic. (I've never known a Wiccan to use the term Warlock to refer to hirself, much less Worlock.) S> Btw, I'm not a she I'm a he. (hehehe) That's the third time I've guessed wrong this month! I think I better start flipping coins or reading Tarot cards instead of just guessing based on my own leanings. (For some reason, first names and aliases with "sh" in them speak to me of the feminine; my apologies to Sherman.) B> You use the term "Worlocks" above. Is this an intentional spelling, or B> is it a misspelling of "Warlocks?" I know several darkside pagans also, B> and while several call themselves Warlocks, none uses the Worlock B> spelling. S> Typo. I do it a lot when concentrating on something other than S> spelling and I rarely run my spell checker unfortunetly :) I consider S> myself a Warlock, only because I don't completely agree with ALL S> wiccan beliefs. However, I don't neccesarily agree with ALL of the S> darkside teaching either so I guess I'm a middle of the road type or S> even worse as stated by some, A Clinton type waffler hehe. I see, so you're a Warlock who doesn't inhale? :-) Since there are quite a few Wiccan trads, some of which explore the darker side of Wicca, you might be able to find some that mesh well with your own desires. How broadly have you looked? It is more likely from my experience that others with similar tendencies will be found as solitaries, though (otherwise I might be able to point you to such a trad -- but I don't have any contacts of that sort at this time). The important thing is, you're looking seriously at your Path, and choosing your own Way. That's the best way to pursue your future. May you live long and prosper. Balanone PP FidoNet: Balanone at 1:203/2019 PODS: Balanone at 93:9902/2019 Internet: Balanone@tefnut.gigo.com ... Study Demonology with an enemy this Sunday! ___ TagDude 0.87 [Unregistered] with 11949 taglines. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Vicky Gabriel Area: MagickNet To: Dennis J. Balagtas 18 Jan 97 19:36:30 Subject: One of your stories UpdReq Dear Dennis J. Balagtas, Igor Warneck an I are the editors of a german journal for magic, shamanism and nature religion called "Hag&Hexe" that appears every two months and contains sixty pages. A friend of mine showed me a short-story you wrote, "A Gathering of Angels". We like it very much and would like to print in our next edition (march/april) and so I would like to ask you for your permission. Unfortunately we are not able to pay a fee for your work; but it is a matter of course that you will receive a free copy if you tell us your adress and that we will print your name and copyright. Thanks a lot! Vicky Gabriel Netmail or email to: vicky.gabriel@boudicca.robin.de FIDO: 2:244/1195 PODS: 93:9200/1 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: MacFinn 19 Jan 97 07:54:08 Subject: Re: Worlock? UpdReq On Jan 17 15:45 97, MacFinn of 93:9040/20 wrote: M> Question: why would you call yourself something scornful, a Benidict Arnold? M> Warlock from wearlog, "an oathbreaker, a traitor". That is the only meaning M> of the word, and it is not a ref. to a type of magician (contrary to the M> Hollywood film industry). Now- I'm the first to speak against the use of the term Warlock. It is popularly known to be "Oathbreaker"- except out of Hollywood. And, eleven times out of ten, anyone using that name is just someone who has been playing AD&D too long. However, as a point of history, I have once seen an argument that Warlock MOST anciently meant much the same as Wicce, Magus, Wizard, etc: ie, a Spiritual and Wise person. It was later given it's bad connotations much as the word "Witch" was. I am not certain if this is true- but the argument I saw for it was convincing. I wish I could remember where I saw it... M> I would take it as a personal insult if someone called me a Warlock. I wouldn't. Again- most people using it are just ignorant. What insults me is their thinking they are partakers of the Mysteries when they are not. I've worked hard for my Path. M> IF you haven't taken any oath to be broken you are not a warlock. M> Likewise, Magick is neither black or white, Magick -is-. A 'dark' brother is M> one who allows his will to be subverted by another person or organisation; M> one who is not true to themself. Now with this I TOTALLY disagree. I myself can be considered (in some aspects of my Trad) to be a Dark Pagan. Lilith is one of my Patrons, for example. I am very much aligned left-handed (so to speak). Everything has it's "Dark Side", and it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with allowing your Will to be subverted. Blessed Be, may The Lord and Lady guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718