From:    Morpheus Shapiro                       Area: MagickNet
To:      Kandilokai Ach Ishte                    3 Dec 96 13:05:00
Subject: Astral Temple                          UpdReq 

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Script #7756 - MagickNet (PODS) 
   Date: 11-27-96 22:27
   From: Kandilokai Ach Ishte
: #7030 <-
   Morpheus>>What U C is not your hands. Even if you open your eyes and look
  at your hand B4U hyperjump 2 Astral Temple, you won't B able to sustain 
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   photo realism of the image, B cause your hands are more than their
  appearance. U have many levels of involvement with your hands. My hands
  begin to glow golden when I look at them. They are more tentacle than
 hand.
  But then I'm not that attached to being human anyway ;-)   so it
doesn't
  detract from the experience.
  Khephera>> Hmmmmm, this hasn't been my experience at all.  I agree that it is
impossible to hold photo-realism for *anything* on the Astral. Things aren't 
as deep,
  rich, or detailed there as they are here- mainly because you don't tend to
  notice things unless you wish to percieve them.  But, the only time my body
  specifically looks different is when I wish to assume a different form. 
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  than my Astral Body looking different, I tend to forget about it altogether
  sometimes.  ;)  That's when I'll look down at my astral hands and move them
  around some to bring it back into focus.
 : Kandilokai Ach Ishte>>>  I am almost the opposite.  In looking at myself, 
and seeing like an earth
human, much one that looks like my physical self in the here and now, requires
effort.  (Not necessarily great effort, but effort that could be better spent
on other things while I'm out there)  I'm taller, and slenderer than any human
would normally be, and my hands only have four digits.  (there is no minim on
my hands in the astral, and wasting effort to make one appear would only make
them clumsy looking to me, as they do to me in the here and now.)
.   Hello  : Kandilokai Ach Ishte!
. When you assend to your astral space, what is it like, and where did you 
learn to do it?
   Like you, my hands are amorpheus handing dreams, it takes more effort than 
it is worth to make them a visible hand, although Kephera uses the image of 
his hands for deepening the astral experience and I am using the image of my 
hands, just lately, to try 


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From:    Morpheus Shapiro                       Area: MagickNet
To:      Kandilikai Ach Ishte                    3 Dec 96 13:10:00
Subject: Astral Temple                          UpdReq 

As I was writing B4I ran out of room;
LIke you, my hands are amorphius handling dreams. It takes more effort to try 
to shift to other realms that I cannot imagine beforhand. No matter how 
brief, I seek the slip of mind, the magical instant, when my desires will be.
 


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From:    Dragon                                 Area: MagickNet
To:      Khephera                                3 Dec 96 08:56:00
Subject: Book Of Enoch                          UpdReq 

 > D> the eastern teachers state that it makes no difference whether you know
 > what the sanskrit words or sounds mean or not.
-snip-
 > Sorry I can't be of help there.  You'd have to study into the
 > relationships between Sanscrit and such languages as Hebrew,
 > Egyptian, and Babylonian- if there are any.
it is said, that all lanuages available came from the root sanskrit
lanuage...
 > However, I can offer this- it is my personal belief that it
 > is foolish and perhaps even dangerous to use Magickal Words
 > of Power of which you don't know the meanings.  There are
 > certain small exceptions- such as some Enochian material and
 > even the Bornless Ritual.  However, in both cases these are
 > Ceremonies that are well known and well tested- I'm not going
 > in blind.  And, in the case of the Bornless Ritual, I am even
 > still attempting to find the meanings to all of the Greek
 > words and Names.
i understand your position on this. my position is different. i was iniatated
as a disciple by my guru, who i believe was a fully enlightened one,in 197
and have never had a "problem" or negative experience in this area.i have been 
teaching others,only those who come and ask,since told to do so and none of 
those who have shared in these things with me since then have had a "problem" 
either. so you can likely understand why my position is different. 
HAVE A HAPPY DREAM !, said the Dragon... 


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