From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Ghost 23 Oct 96 19:11:40 Subject: ancient egypt &.... UpdReq On Oct 14 23:04 96, Ghost of 93:9200/15 wrote: G> [after trying to put my thoughts in order, I hope this way you may G> understand me.... ] as long I'm not aware of him being with me where is the G> difference to - in the "end" one will find him? seems to me only mental G> 'hick-hack'.... let's find out and then talk again about this problem. It is only mental hick-hack. That's the point. There is MUCH about yourself you do not realise, and have not experienced. There is not a person in existence who really knows themselves 100%, and anyone who does think so is basically suffering from some major egotism. Instead, the entire point of the Mystical Journey is to experience as many of these aspects of your Self as you can. And there is a difference between knowing about it, and experiencing it. The Holy Guardian Angel is one example. >> If I were to break your being/existence/entity into its various component >> parts, there would be You and your physical body on the bottom of the >> chart, and the Divine Spark or Holy Guardian Angel or Higher Self placed at G> no, I can't put any part of my higher on the chart or lower. I need _every_ G> part to be complete. if you can do it - fine. You don't seem to understand the use of Modles. Putting parts of you higher on the "chart" does not imply that it is not a part of you in the least. All is within you, but when you write it down you have to draw it linearly. >> But it's still you.. Just a part of you you may or may not be aware of... >> Somewhat like your appendix. G> I can't be sure to have an appendix without cutting up myself. [but that I G> won't do without cause]. And the Mystical journey is also a cutting up of yourself, and one that's good for you. (I may also point out that you don't have to cut yourself, as we have more advanced technology now). :) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Ghost 23 Oct 96 19:16:42 Subject: ancient egypt &.... UpdReq On Oct 15 00:09 96, Ghost of 93:9200/15 wrote: >> Well, REALLY consider how much Knowledge, say, the Politicians have. Not G> ok, point for you! ;) >> much. They grow up in their own little worlds completely removed from >> those of us out here in the real world. They know nothing about us or our G> but why do they lose the 'real world? they were part of it for a long time. No, they weren't. What we call "the politicians" are in fact "the ruling class" of America. Of course, by "real world" I'm not speaking about the Universe, but about the world that you and I live in- the one that the politicians claim to know all about. (Hear Clintion saying, "I FEEL your pain!"). Bull. He doesn't feel our pain- he's never come even close... G> economic pressure, social pressure - does that excuse losing the wider view G> on problems? I've seen a talk show on TV several nights ago: the all used G> long staffs to search the fog for the way.... horrible!!! and in every case G> -it's all fault of the others. You lost me here.... G> there are some ways to think about gods: they can die; or: they are G> omnipotent; or: the have only a small district to rule [love gods, wealth G> gods....]; or: they are manifestations of principles; or: .... Ah! Well, I honestly see Them in all of the above. Although I don't feel that any one God is totally omnipotent (yet part of the overall whole that IS omnipotent), and I don't feel that God die- just go far away. Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Morpheus Shapiro 23 Oct 96 18:49:02 Subject: Book Of Enoch UpdReq On Oct 10 09:00 96, Morpheus Shapiro of 93:9710/5 wrote: KK>> Did you get the Ethiopian Book of Enoch? Or one of the KK>> others? There are many.... ;) MS> Reads like a great scene: MS> MS> master: Did you get the Camomile? MS> toad : Yes master, just as you wanted. MS> master: Did you get the BLUE camomile? MS> toad : They were out of blue so I got the yellow! MS> master: TWIT! HA HA HA HA!! Actually, I've recently found a source that indeed contains a couple of copies of a "Key of Enoch". I'd love to see them. But, the book of Enoch is not really a Grimiore, but a Biblical writing- Apocrypha. MS> B dat as it May: MS> Is there any translations of Etheopian int english? Sounds like I ought MS> to visit a few Rastafarian bok stores in San Francisco. Oh yes. ;) I even have an ISBN, though I don't know if it's still in print. ISBN 0-9135-10-01-7 Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Mephisto 23 Oct 96 18:52:18 Subject: Book Of Enoch UpdReq On Oct 11 10:47 96, Mephisto of 93:9176/0 wrote: KH>>If it was written before John Dee's time, or otherwise not influenced by KH>>his work, then it's not what we would today call "Enochian Magick". M> Heh heh heh... Most of what is today called Enochian Magick M> bears little enough resemblence to Dee's work. Refering, of course, to the Golden Dawn's "version" of the system. I dumped that one myself. Once I'm well versed in the original, then I'll rip off any of the workable advances the GD might have made. And lets not even TALK about the Schuler's "work" on the subject. ;) M> I think I'll have to check out this Book of Enoch as well. Merkavah Mysticism is what it's all about. It's about gaining entrance to the Palaces contained in each of the Seven Heavens. It was once very dangerous- but I don't yet know if it still is. Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Morpheus Shapiro 23 Oct 96 18:55:44 Subject: Book Of Enoch UpdReq On Oct 11 17:34 96, Morpheus Shapiro of 93:9710/5 wrote: MS> To which Wensday replied,"Its called, 'Is There A God'?" MS> In the case of the Holy Of Holies, MS> Is there a god? Does it need you? Is it you? If you mean, is there a "God" (ie, Divine Source), that's always a point of argument. If you mean, "does the particular God you are worshipping exist", then I have to say absolutely without question. MS> Does it matter? To one who worships the God it does. ;) MS> I think the above is superfulous: I don't... MS> Performing the rites is beneficial, god or not: I disagree. If the God does not exist, then placeing food in front of it weekly or daily (or whatever) is not beneficial in the least. Following the particular commands of the God does little to please the God if it doesn't exist. Magick- God or no God- works. Although devotion to a God certainly can help. ;) MS> Thirty spokes are made one by a hole in the hub of the wheel [...] MS> To use what is. MS> Man, is that obscure enough or what? ;) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Morpheus Shapiro 23 Oct 96 19:00:50 Subject: Book Oracles UpdReq On Oct 11 17:24 96, Morpheus Shapiro of 93:9710/5 wrote: MS> I often use books as oracles. In my seed coven I was raised up to be MS> the oracle in the ceremonies. I spoke for The Goddess and The God in each [...] MS> Some answers need more than one book to explain fully. Its ourselves MS> communicating to the stupid part of us through books. Interesting method of Oracle work. MS> I use the tao Te Ching the same way-open it ot a random thought. It Yes, it does remind me of the I Ching. ;) MS> shelve just now and got the Ching down. You mentioned that you wanted to MS> establish an Holy Of Holies so you can tend your god's need. Well, yes and no. Someday I will finally have an extra room to set up a Temple for Magickal work. And, I will have a Holy of Holies. However, in my posts here I have not been speaking of an actual Holy of Holies. I have been using it as a metephore to establish the difference between Worship and Devotion to the Higher Forces (Holy of Holies), and Magickal Operations of any kind (Outer Meeting-Hall). MS> I think that you should pour your energies into helping your family instead MS> of performing unneeded maintainance to a godform thats dooing very well MS> without you, thankyou. I disagree. First of all, I can assure you that I put forth grans amounts of energy into my family. I'm sure you didn't mean to be offensive by that, though I do wish to point out to you that it does somewhat feel that way... As for the God (not "godform") needing me, I also disagree with you. In order for my Patron Gods to have a physical home with me, They need me to maintain a physical base for Them. So, in that sense, They are hardly doing "just fine without me". MS> After Jose suggested #11 in the Tao Te Ching, I read it and now I change my MS> mind and write to you that its quite ok to have a Holy of Holies, even if MS> it only enshrined a mirror. I'll include it in the next post 2 U. See you there.... Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Rain 23 Oct 96 19:22:38 Subject: geeze! UpdReq On Oct 12 17:19 96, Rain of 93:9187/1 wrote: M>> KH>Ha! I like it. ;) This is exactly why I use the term "mundane". M>> KH>That, it refers to those people who are all little carbon copies of each M>> KH>other, have been taken by the games that society plays with them. ;) M>> M>> I used "Normal" or "Plastic People" or "Preps"... Depending on M>> how old I was and whether or not I was in high school. :) M>> M>> I started using Mundane, myself, but I do believe I like the M>> term "Sleeper" quite enough to start using that. HEh heh heh... R> Geeze, aren't we succumbing to the temptations of ego a little here, guys? R> Non-magick-users aren't necessarily asleep, and they certainly aren't all R> plastic. I didn't imply that they were... R> They simply aren't magick-users. Many are just as spiritually and R> psychically advanced as any Witch; they simply made different choices aout R> path and have a different toolkit. If we start talking as if we're R> some superior class, we're just as bad as the religious imperialists of the R> Christian Right, no? That would be true if that's what I was doing. I was quite specifically speaking about those people who ARE carbon copies of each other and, as M put it, "asleep". Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Chris Roedocker 23 Oct 96 19:29:34 Subject: Magic UpdReq On Oct 20 01:18 96, Chris Roedocker of 93:9180/4 wrote: CR> Hi.... CR> I've always been intested in magic..... I've never known what is is CR> exactly........ Humm Well...what do you think it is? And why does it interest you? Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Stardance 23 Oct 96 18:45:48 Subject: Re: Magick styles UpdReq On Oct 09 08:19 96, Stardance of 93:9301/0 wrote: Kh>> I know what that's like only TOO well. ;) S> We're heading south to Louisiana. =) From the KC area.....that's a pretty S> big move for me.....over 800 miles. Three adults, two kids, and S> three stressed out cats. Gee, this is gonna be fun. S>> If I seemed overzealous, please forgive me, and I see now that I S>> misunderstood your position on this, again, forgive me. Uggghhhh. (what else can you say). Well- except for good luck. ;) S> It will probably be a week or two before I'm back online, so don't worry if S> I don't reply for a while. I'll be back as soon as I can get a phone line S> working and a new board to post from. =) Not a problem. As of now, **I** just got back on-line! :) Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Mephisto 23 Oct 96 19:08:20 Subject: Magick styles UpdReq On Oct 11 10:44 96, Mephisto of 93:9176/0 wrote: M> To convolute it further, you agreed with me, and I'm one of M> those "Do it by the book" people, to a large degree. ;) It depends on exactly WHAT I agreed with you about. ;) M> Long live Western Ceremonialism. :) Well, I'm a Western Ceremonialist, and I'm not "by the book". ;) M> I do, however, think tools, symbols, reality maps, are just M> convenient focal points for forming a link between conscious M> will and Subconscious Will, to get the job done... And all too M> often they become crutches. I agree they can become crutches- just as can the books. But, I disagree that they are "just" focal points. If you consecrate them, they become living entities very capable of aiding your Magickal Operation. Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Morpheus Shapiro Area: MagickNet To: Rain 22 Oct 96 06:19:00 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq RR> Anyway: Morpheus, whet I've written to you includes a long RR> post about RR> ministry to old people, and Kheph, I wrote you a ton of RR> stuff, RR> including a long one about ways to free up your hands in RR> ritual and RR> how to make a staff stand and such. Each has been posted RR> three or RR> four times trying to get it through, and I'm really RR> frustrated. No, Rain, I haven received any replies from you. I'm not on the internet and have no netmail privalages here. I never mentioned anything because on this sub I am used to never getting any replies, so its always a surprise. Got this reply, but the others on helping elders and such I have not seen. bb ms 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718