From: Shadow Gryphon Area: MagickNet To: SCIFLYER 20 Oct 96 16:42:00 Subject: Hmmm... Oddball quest UpdReq Sc> Use potpourri... Or symbolic incense or another air symbol, like an Sc> eagle feather. Ah, I've got what I think is a hawk feather (it's being argued with my friend and I, he says peacock under-feather, I say hawk, and I doubt it'll ever be resolved. :) that I'm probably gonna use if/when I need something of that effect, or else I'll use candles. But thanks for the ideas!!! Much appreciated! ... Now, say that to my beak!!! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Shadow Gryphon Area: MagickNet To: ELLIE 20 Oct 96 16:44:00 Subject: Hmmm... Oddball quest UpdReq El> How to get around that problem? That's easy... don't use it. :) Can we say simple? El> If you really feel your working needs something scent-related, try El> essential oils. But you don't *need* incense or oil, as long as your El> mind and will are focused. QUite true... I dunno, I'm probably going to use candles if/when I really feel I need it... I like candles anyhow, and I'm NOT, thank all the gods above, below, and in between, allergic to them. :) ... ARRRRRGGGHHH!!!! ... Tension breaker, had to be done. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rain Area: MagickNet To: Kandilokai Ach Ishte 20 Oct 96 18:17:44 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq On 10-20-96 Kandilokai Ach Ishte wrote to Rain... KA> in college, and a writer to boot!! I didn't even notice that I had KA> said that KA> until the next day, and it was already out there to be seen and KA> corrected by all! I know the feeling. By the way, can I borrow a post to you to address a couple of other folks, since we seem to be having mail trouble again? If you could please QUOTE BACK this section, maybe they'll see it and reply: ********************* * KHEPHERA * ********************* and ********************** * MORPHEUS SHAPIRO * ********************** ...please, this is Rain, and are you getting my posts? I've sent them repeatedly, each time our cranky mail was supposedly fixed, and I haven't heard back. I'm rain@hothouse.iglou.com if you can reply by Internet mail, and Rain, 1:2320/180 on Fido; PODS netmail isn't working here, so please don't try that. Oh, and Kheph, I seem to have mislaid your Internet address. Anyway: Morpheus, whet I've written to you includes a long post about ministry to old people, and Kheph, I wrote you a ton of stuff, including a long one about ways to free up your hands in ritual and how to make a staff stand and such. Each has been posted three or four times trying to get it through, and I'm really frustrated. * OFFLINE 1.58 * Explain counter-clockwise to one with a digital watch. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rain Area: MagickNet To: Kandilokai Ach Ishte 20 Oct 96 18:17:44 Subject: geeze! UpdReq On 10-20-96 Kandilokai Ach Ishte wrote to Rain... KA> derogatory sense. Sleeper, to me means more that the person is simply KA> not as KA> aware of some of the things that others are. As yet, it is not a term KA> used in KA> a derogatory manner, so I use it. I promise that the first time I see KA> it used KA> to imply that a person is less than another because of the path they KA> have KA> chosen or what they are aware of, I will immediately cease to use that KA> word to describe another. My hat's off to you for the resolve not to be derogatory, which I wish more people shared. But pwersonally, "sleeper" just reminds me too much of all the old Christian stuff about "If you'd just wake up to the Truth (tm), you could be saved, but I suppose you're just not ready yet. Can't hear the Truth (tm) till the Spirit brings you to a certain level of development." I know that's not what you're saying, but the word itself has old, painful resonances for me and a lot of others. And I just can't help but feel that it's discourteous (and often inaccurate) to tell someone he's spiritually or psychically asleep because he's not, as you said, following paths directly involved in energy manipulation....especially as he may be "awake" in ways I'm not. KA> It does not mean we are KA> better than they, just that we use different means, and different KA> senses than they. ...Or sometimes the same senses in different ways. Or the senses are active, but they've made a perfectly legitinate choice not to use them. Which is why I don't think we have a right to judge them to be alseep. A man under a vow of silence isn't the same as a man who can't speak, and a radio isn't turned off because it gets different channels than mine, or is used to get gospel music and not world news. KA> Kandilokai Ach Ishte What a musical handle! Are you at liberty to say what it means? (And what "Iradi" means?) * OFFLINE 1.58 * Frisbetarian: when you die, your soul goes up on the roof. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Chris Roedocker Area: MagickNet To: All 20 Oct 96 01:18:54 Subject: Magic UpdReq Hi.... I've always been intested in magic..... I've never known what is is exactly........ Humm 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718