From: Kandilokai Ach Ishte Area: MagickNet To: Magick 29 Sep 96 18:49:00 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq M=>that all acts of faith or magick could be reduced to a simple formula (the o eM=>that I use as a tagline so often): Magick=Intent->Vision->Manifestation. M=>Basically, there is a desire for something to happen. The willworker applies M=>that to an envisioning of what s/he wants to occur and awaits manifestation. It Better though to say, envisions it occurring, and continues to do so until manifestation. M=>KA>Wear what fits, and do not wear the rest, is what I always say. (though M=>KA>not in so many words, but the analogy fits.) I will still tease thee M=>KA>for it though! M=> You can tease and make fun of me all that you wish, Ishte. You are one M=>of my oldest and most respected friends. *Smiles* I'm still going to use M=>magick as my term. I might use metaphysics as a backup. You honor me! Ishte 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kandilokai Ach Ishte Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 29 Sep 96 19:09:00 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq K=>On Sep 20 01:55 96, Magick of 93:9740/2 wrote: K=>KA>>Well, you know, I've never liked the term magick, because I don't really K=>KA>>consider it that. The term invites ridicule in my opinion. But I agree K=>KA>>that working with these energies has its price. One must be careful, an K=>KA>>very prepared for the consequences. ... K=>Many of us call ourselves Wizards, Mages, Witches, etc. However, to my K=>knowledge we all use the term Magick for what we do. There's no reason in t eK=>world not to use it, and to avoid it is (IMNSHO) is to avoid a large part of K=>our history. If one wishes to use Magick, then use Magick. Don't attempt t K=>remove yourself from it, and still attempt to partake of it. Why should it make any difference to you if I avoid a large part of your history? It is not my history, it is yours. I make no attempt to remove myself from it. I am not wiccan. Nor am I Hellenic, nor Celtic, nor Druidic, nor Shamanistic. I am Kireli, and I have no history here except the genetic history of this shell, and some few others like it each with their different and unique genetic histories. Those genetic histories have nothing to do with who and what I am spiritually, nor with what I do metaphysically. Just because I manipulate the same energies you do for many of the same purposes, and with many of the same ends, does not imply that I must become a part of your history. Nor are these energies and the manipulation of them the exclusive territory of your history. Christians even manipulate them. Through prayer they focus what they want, envision it occurring, and then wait for it to manifest itself to them. There is no exclusivity to a particular faith or history... Or name. K=>That's my take on it. I feel the same way regarding Witches who refuse to u eK=>the term "Witch" because it has "negative conotations". Or even Pagans who K=>refuse to use that term. You can't stand on the outside and expect to enter K=>the Hidden Mysteries.... Again, I say who is to say who is standing on the outside. I do not use these terms because they do not apply to me, just as they do not apply to many others. It does not put me on the outside looking in. It put me in my place, and you in yours, and each of us doing our own thing, our own way, and using the same energies to do them, with many of the same means and ends. These hidden mysteries are not the exclusive right of any one history. They are revealed to any who can learn to use the energies that are naturally there, with the natural ability to do so that is in every living thing. Walk in Light, Kandilokai Ach Ishte --- * OLXWin 1.00b * Awright! Who double parked their dragon?! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Magick Area: MagickNet To: Kandilokai Ach Ishte 29 Sep 96 23:54:00 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq KA>Better though to say, envisions it occurring, and continues to do so KA>until manifestation. True, but sometimes it is enough to envision a thing happening once and let the power flow as it will. I have found that particular route very useful. Indeed, when I make requests and alterations with the assitance of the Ladies Three, I only ask/focus on the task a few times before manifestation occurs. The pattern remembers the change and implements things. KA>You honor me! I would not call you one of my oldest and dearest friends, noble elf, if you were not. *Bows* Pax vobiscum.... Chyros Elayion Edokai --- * UniQWK v3.3a* If at Faust you don't succeed, try another school. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kandilokai Ach Ishte Area: MagickNet To: Magick 1 Oct 96 00:04:00 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq M=>KA>You honor me! M=> I would not call you one of my oldest and dearest friends, M=>noble elf, if you were not. M=> *Bows* the term "mundane" used to refer to a person. No person is mundane in any KAI>as they are all spiritual in their own special ways, and to imply that any KAI>otherwise is to express superiority over them. One is not necessarily expressing superiority over someone by simply calling attention to the fact of their apparent lack of communication with that Spirit of their own way. A man who spends 8 hours a day sleeping, 8 hours a day doing hard manual labor, and 8 hours a day drinking beer and watching tv, is Mundane to me no matter how Spiritual this lifestyle may be for them. ;) * SLMR 2.1a * This tagline stolen by Silly Little Mail Reader! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Mephisto Area: MagickNet To: MAGICK 2 Oct 96 06:06:00 Subject: Energy and magick.... UpdReq MA>both feel a sort of definite "buzz" to us. It is like we somehow have aquir MA>extra energy of a metaphysical sort by performing the acts. MA> Has anyone else experienced such effects? Yep. MA> Any theories? Could be a lack of "grounding" afterwards, depending on what exactly you're doing in the rite. Could just be exhiliration, could be any of a number of things. Hell, you could be hyperventilating. :) Personally, I get something of that nature fairly frequently, and simply attribute it to the work. *shrug* That "natural high" non-drug users speak of so often, perhaps. ;) * SLMR 2.1a * If this were an actual tagline, it would be funny. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Mephisto Area: MagickNet To: DRAGON 2 Oct 96 06:25:00 Subject: Magick styles UpdReq DR> > To perform a Spell, you HAVE to do certain things like: DR>--------------------------------------------------------- DR> > Focus on the Goal, Access the correct parts of the Mind, DR> > Raise Energy, Direct that Energy by the Will, etc. DR>-snip= DR>what about those who do do believe at all in your "stated" have to's, DR>those who just reach out with their power and DO THINGS DIRECTLY ??? It can be argued that those who just "reach out with their power" and "DO THINGS DIRECTLY" have managed to focus on the goal, access the correct parts of the mind, raise energy, direct energy, etc., instantly, without much foreplay involved... An ability one develops with practice, in almost any endeavor. * SLMR 2.1a * If this were an actual tagline, it would be funny. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Mephisto Area: MagickNet To: MAGICK 2 Oct 96 06:18:00 Subject: Pollution UpdReq MA>M > "An it harm none" also doesn't click very well with Chap. 3 of MA>M > Liber Legis. MA> What is the Liber Legis? Didn't know I wrote that.. Ah, well - Liber Legis, otherwise known as "The Book of the Law", by Aleister Crowley, is the Founding Document of Crowley's Thelema, the Holiest of Holies, Dictated by Praeterhuman Intelligence, Sanctimoniest of the Sanctimonies, Yea Verily Most Highly Acclaimdededededest...... Chapter 3 is a very violent chapter. Tying this in with the original discussion: appending the Wiccan "An it harm none" to the end of Liber Legis' "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" looks quite funny after one reads chapter 3. * SLMR 2.1a * If this were an actual tagline, it would be funny. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718