From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Magick 25 Sep 96 19:10:28 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq On Sep 20 01:55 96, Magick of 93:9740/2 wrote: KA>>Well, you know, I've never liked the term magick, because I don't really KA>>consider it that. The term invites ridicule in my opinion. But I agree KA>>that working with these energies has its price. One must be careful, and KA>>very prepared for the consequences. M> Aye, that I know. Psionics is not much of a term for me, though. It M> just makes acts of faith/will to seem far too greatly like a hard-core M> science. I wonder if there isn't some term which would be comfortable and M> accurate for it. Of course, I am still not sure what to term myself or what M> I do as I have learned many things in the recent past. M> What do others on the forum call "magick"? Do you have any special M> names for yourselves, such as "mages" or "witches"? Many of us call ourselves Wizards, Mages, Witches, etc. However, to my knowledge we all use the term Magick for what we do. There's no reason in the world not to use it, and to avoid it is (IMNSHO) is to avoid a large part of our history. If one wishes to use Magick, then use Magick. Don't attempt to remove yourself from it, and still attempt to partake of it. That's my take on it. I feel the same way regarding Witches who refuse to use the term "Witch" because it has "negative conotations". Or even Pagans who refuse to use that term. You can't stand on the outside and expect to enter the Hidden Mysteries.... Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Jade 25 Sep 96 19:14:02 Subject: Asherah UpdReq On Sep 24 21:04 96, Jade of 93:9301/0 wrote: J> Changing the subject, I find myself ignorant of who Asherah is/was. J> Please enlighten me. She was the Mother Goddess of Canaan (the Phonecians), and the wife of the Father God El. When the Khabiru (Hebrews) moved into Israel, they associated Yahweh with El (among others), and thus Yahweh "adopted" Asherah as His own wife. Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Khephera Area: MagickNet To: Jade 25 Sep 96 19:33:46 Subject: Pollution UpdReq On Sep 24 21:07 96, Jade of 93:9301/0 wrote: J> Interesting points, except I object to the word "accused" I was/am mostly J> ignorant of Thelema, and while ignorance is not an excuse it is a reason. J> So, onwards to this, what exactly is Thelema and how does it relate to J> magickal practice? Uhhhhh...you didn't quote so I'm lost. I'm not sure what you're refering to with "accused", and I know little to nothing about Thelema... Blessed Be, may Yahweh and His Asherah guide and keep thee, Ar ReX Em SeXem Eref Neter Au-a Rx Khephera 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Irv Koch Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 26 Sep 96 15:03:58 Subject: SACRED_MAGICK UpdReq K> As I write, it is Tuesday. The echo will be available on Sunday. K> I hope to see you guys there! I dare not mess with additional changes in the configs until I move the system to Chattanooga ... NLT this coming Tues. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kandilokai Ach Ishte Area: MagickNet To: Magick 22 Sep 96 22:31:00 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq M=> Aye, that I know. Psionics is not much of a term for me, though. It I generally call it Metaphysics, not Psionics, although Psionics is a part of Metaphysics, it is not the whole of it. M=> What do others on the forum call "magick"? Do you have any special M=>names for yourselves, such as "mages" or "witches"? I think most here use the same terms that you do... But knowing me so well as you do, you know why I disagree with them. Another that I really dislike is the term "mundane" used to refer to a person. No person is mundane in any way as they are all spiritual in their own special ways, and to imply that any are otherwise is to express superiority over them. Walk in Light Kandilokai Ach Ishte --- * OLXWin 1.00b * I've got a dragon on my doorstep! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Magick Area: MagickNet To: Kandilokai Ach Ishte 23 Sep 96 14:10:00 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq Kandilokai, KA>I generally call it Metaphysics, not Psionics, although Psionics is a KA>part of Metaphysics, it is not the whole of it. How do you avoid confusion with the section of classical philosophy of the same name? I know that many who are into magick add that extra "k" just to seperate it from stage craft and sleight-of-hand illusions. *Shurgz* Still, by the root and main parts of the word "metaphysics" I can see what you mean. Even though the coining of the term "after the physics" alludes to the arrangement of Aristotle's writings, one could see metaphycics to be the study of things beyond physics. *Shrugz* KA>Another that I really dislike is the term "mundane" used to refer to a KA>person. No person is mundane in any way as they are all spiritual in their KA>own special ways, and to imply that any are otherwise is to express KA>superiority over them. I agree with you on that point 10000%, Ishte. I prefer to use the term "Sleeper" which contrasts nicely with "Awakened." I borrowed both of these rather shamelessly from _Mage:TheAcension_ that storytelling game by White Wolf. A sleeper doesn't imply that the person is forever asleep and indeed suggests that one might awaken at some time. People who consciously practice and study metaphysics would be said to be awakened, but even magicians occasionally sleep. *Smiles* Something to ponder. Pax Vobiscum.... Chyros Elayion Edokai --- * UniQWK v3.3a* Magick: Manifestation equals Passion times Vision. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Magick Area: MagickNet To: All 24 Sep 96 02:29:00 Subject: Energy and magick.... UpdReq Here is a quick question if anyone cares to comment or outright answer. *Grinz* My roomie and I have discovered that sometimes after working magick we both feel a sort of definite "buzz" to us. It is like we somehow have aquired extra energy of a metaphysical sort by performing the acts. Has anyone else experienced such effects? Any theories? Thanks.... --- * UniQWK v3.3a* Magick makes some things possible and other things ridiculous. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Magick Area: MagickNet To: Mephisto 21 Sep 96 09:19:00 Subject: Pollution UpdReq Mephisto, M > "An it harm none" also doesn't click very well with Chap. 3 of M > Liber Legis. What is the Liber Legis? --- * UniQWK v3.3a* If at Faust you don't succeed, try another school. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Magick Area: MagickNet To: All 21 Sep 96 09:14:00 Subject: Unusual events.... UpdReq Hello. I was wondering if any of you had ever had any experiences with strands of chaos. Last night, my roomie and I were conducting our usual circle. We often gather to pray for our friends and whatnot, helping the Ladies Fate as we can. It is usually a good and very healthy thing. The energies were downright weird last evening, however. There was a feeling of chaos, like a tinge or tint to the magick. If I was a stronger believer in the Little People, I'd say that the Unseelie Court was running rampant. *Shrugz* Any opinions? Thoughts? Thanks! --- * UniQWK v3.3a* Incoming fire has the right of way. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kandilokai Ach Ishte Area: MagickNet To: Magick 22 Sep 96 23:00:00 Subject: Unusual events.... UpdReq M=>Hello. M=> I was wondering if any of you had ever had any experiences with strands M=>of chaos. Last night, my roomie and I were conducting our usual circle. We M=>often gather to pray for our friends and whatnot, helping the Ladies Fate M=>as we can. It is usually a good and very healthy thing. The energies were M=>downright weird last evening, however. There was a feeling of chaos, like a M=>tinge or tint to the magick. If I was a stronger believer in the Little M=>People, I'd say that the Unseelie Court was running rampant. *Shrugz* What we were feeling was one of our own that was elsewhere from us, but I haven't put my finger on it yet. Rest assured I will, I already have my suspicions. I will see if Djimae can reach me and give me a stronger insight into it. --- * OLXWin 1.00b * May Dragons always grace your skies 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kandilokai Ach Ishte Area: MagickNet To: Magick 24 Sep 96 00:47:00 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq M=>Kandilokai, M=> How do you avoid confusion with the section of classical philosophy of t eM=>same name? I know that many who are into magick add that extra "k" just to M=>seperate it from stage craft and sleight-of-hand illusions. *Shurgz* Still, yM=>the root and main parts of the word "metaphysics" I can see what you mean. E en I'm not so sure there is really a lot of distinction. Only the classical philosophy clearly misunderstands, and poorly understands a great deal of the whole thing that it tries to interpret. M=>though the coining of the term "after the physics" alludes to the arrangemen M=>of Aristotle's writings, one could see metaphycics to be the study of things M=>beyond physics. *Shrugz* But the phrase doesn't necessarily mean "after the physics". The suffix META- means "in the midst of , among, between, after, or according to. After is actually one of the least common uses of the suffix, as demonstrated in such words metacarpal and metatarsals, those being the middle carpal and tarsal bones of the hands and feet, right in the midst of all the other bones. M=>KA>Another that I really dislike is the term "mundane" used to refer to a M=>KA>person. No person is mundane in any way as they are all spiritual in thei M=>KA>own special ways, and to imply that any are otherwise is to express M=>KA>superiority over them. M=> I agree with you on that point 10000%, Ishte. I prefer to use the term M=>"Sleeper" which contrasts nicely with "Awakened." I borrowed both of these M=>rather shamelessly from _Mage:TheAcension_ that storytelling game by White M=>Wolf. A sleeper doesn't imply that the person is forever asleep and indeed M=>suggests that one might awaken at some time. People who consciously M=>practice and study metaphysics would be said to be awakened, but even M=>magicians occasionally sleep. *Smiles* Something to ponder. Well that goes all the way back to Frank Herbert and _Dune,_ where Leo Atreides told his son "The sleeper must awaken." speaking of the inner eye and mind that controls things unseen. Walk in Light! Kandilokai Ach Ishte! --- * OLXWin 1.00b * A Dragon in the hand is worth 5 charred fingers 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Magick Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 24 Sep 96 22:07:00 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq Khephera, K>Nice essay. It seems that you have a handle on the basic concepts of Magick. K>However, I have to disagree with your stance on Religion. It's structure does K>not diminish the ability to perform Magick at all, and can in fact be a boon K>to the Magickian that others would sadly lack. I'm not saying that Religion K>is necessary at all- but niether would I go your route and say that it K>hinders. Thanks for the feedback. If I recall my own essay correctly, I was writing more about a conflict between dogma/organized-religion and magick. It was also a part from one of my journals, a premise for a personal style. *Shrugz* Thanks again for replying. I was beginning to think that I was invisible. *Smiles* Till later.... --- * UniQWK v3.3a* Things that must be together, usually can't be shipped together 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kandilokai Ach Ishte Area: MagickNet To: Khephera 25 Sep 96 00:06:00 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq K=>Nice essay. It seems that you have a handle on the basic concepts of Magick K=>However, I have to disagree with your stance on Religion. It's structure do sK=>not diminish the ability to perform Magick at all, and can in fact be a boon to K=>the Magickian that others would sadly lack. I'm not saying that Religion is K=>necessary at all- but niether would I go your route and say that it hinders. I would say that while it is an asset to some, and a source for focus, to others it is a distraction to the work being done. I can attest to this. When I am working, religion and the ritual involved are to *me* an irritant. Ritual, for *me* removes my focus from what I am doing and puts it on the ritual itself. That is a hindrance to me. For some, it is a focus for the work, but for others, such as myself it puts the focus away from the work itself.] Just my nickel! (inflation on 2 cents, you know) Walk in Light, Kandilokai Ach Ishte --- * OLXWin 1.00b * May your dragons always have skies 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Magick Area: MagickNet To: Kandilokai Ach Ishte 25 Sep 96 09:19:00 Subject: A small essay.... UpdReq KA>I'm not so sure there is really a lot of distinction. Only the classical KA>philosophy clearly misunderstands, and poorly understands a great deal of KA>the whole thing that it tries to interpret. *Laughs* I know what you mean, Ishte. Anyone who has ever tried to study classical philosophy can see that it has all been made a great deal more complicated than it ever needed to be. Much like government, philosophy often tries to use many words to cover little territory. "Magick" to me is a study in philosophy, but I've found that it boils down to simpler truths and basic observations. *Shrugz* It just takes a while to master these things. KA>But the phrase doesn't necessarily mean "after the physics". The suffix KA>META- means "in the midst of , among, between, after, or according to. In modern usage, "after the physics" is the origin of the term metaphysics. We can use the word differently as we do other terms, of course. The term was in reference to how Aristotle organized his writings. KA>Well that goes all the way back to Frank Herbert and _Dune,_ where Leo KA>Atreides told his son "The sleeper must awaken." speaking of the inner KA>eye and mind that controls things unseen. *Smiles* It sounds like the folks at White Wolf have been borrowing. Not surprising. I still maintain that I like those terms for people who are and are not into the arts. Pax vobiscum.... --- * UniQWK v3.3a* If at Faust you don't succeed, try another school. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kandilokai Ach Ishte Area: MagickNet To: Nocturnus 25 Sep 96 00:13:00 Subject: an it harm none UpdReq N=> > It's a world, just because it's without adversity does not make it good b dN=> > otherwise. N=>I would have to disagree, a world without adversity is a world that is N=>stagnant. It is adversity and strife that make us better and stronger. A N=>world without either is a stagnant world that would be so full of ennui that aN=>person could not exist, and probably won't want to. A world without adversi y, N=>you are incorrect, it would be NEITHER good nor bad. It would just be...ov rN=>and over and over...etc.....yin yang...etc..for every action there is an equ lN=>and opposite reaction, as above so below...etc..etc..etc. Balance above all. There can be no light without light. There can be no good without bad. Take it a step further. There can be no creation without destruction, for with everything that we create, we must destroy other things. The creation of life destroys other things that are alive, for living things must eat other living things. To create a house, you must first destroy a great many things for space and building materials. When your shell is empty, other living things will eat it thus destroying it so. If nothing were ever destroyed and things continued to be created, this would be a very cluttered place, very quickly! Even learning involves destroying old ideas to make room for new ones. Just a little food for thought. Walk in Light, Kandilokai Ach Ishte --- * OLXWin 1.00b * |Tengo un dragon en mi peldano! 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kandilokai Ach Ishte Area: MagickNet To: Magick 25 Sep 96 00:02:00 Subject: Energy and magick.... UpdReq M=>Here is a quick question if anyone cares to comment or outright answer. *Gri z* M=> My roomie and I have discovered that sometimes after working magick we M=>both feel a sort of definite "buzz" to us. It is like we somehow have M=>aquired extra energy of a metaphysical sort by performing the acts. Very commonly. It is invigorating. You call up energy to do the work, use the energy to do the working, and some of that energy is yours as well. What you get is like an infusion of new energy which replace that which you used. Sometimes you get too much which is why you must take care to ground properly. Walk in Light, Kandilokai Ach Ishte --- * OLXWin 1.00b * May Dragons always grace your skies 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Kandilokai Ach Ishte Area: MagickNet To: Jade 25 Sep 96 00:11:00 Subject: joke? UpdReq J=>Not really a bad joke, but definitely bespeaking of a strange sense of humor err... which joke was that? I crack so many in the course of a day! And as to the strange sense of humor, YES... THANK YOU! and proud of it, too! I've always had it. Half the population just doesn't get it! Walk in Light Ishte! --- * OLXWin 1.00b * May your skies always have dragons 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718