From: Fir Area: MagickNet To: Danith Whitestar 24 Feb 95 23:27:36 Subject: Re: NATURE AND CM CIRCLES UpdReq Hi Danith, > Well I don't have a choice, my dual Goddesses use the golden light > of the sun period. > Danith, dedicated to Bast and Sekhmet It would seem that you are referring to Bast and Sekhmet as 'dual Goddesses'. What do you mean by the term 'dual'? Are you saying that you cast your circles with a golden light? Or ??? Regards, Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Fir Area: MagickNet To: Paul Hume 24 Feb 95 23:51:40 Subject: Re: NATURE AND CM CIRCLES UpdReq Hi Paul, > A pivotal difference, as you note, is "taking down the circle." If I > understand the Wiccan model, the circle is itself an entity, and it > goes somewhere else when its job is done (I am not ascribing this to Hm. Personally in Wiccan circles I undraw the circle rather than cut it. But you're right, when the circle is up, it creates a definite space like a container. It's like being in a cozy private room for me. So yes, in a sense the circle is an entity. But that entity includes all that has been invoked into the circle as well. Undrawing the circle is the final part of banishing. Dismiss the God/Goddess, Banish the quarters, undraw the circle, stamp my foot . PH> Be as may, one can do the LBRP in many of its modes, and then just PH> leave the space. Good point. PH> It depends on the work. If invoking beings or energy into that PH> space, then this is not recommended by "the authorities" (g). If PH> doing it to center/ground, or as an exercise/kata, then when done, PH> you just leave. I find myself of late doing LBRP on an as needed basis, either for grounding/centering or as an outer shell to put around an affirmation. Regards, Fir 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Thorson Area: MagickNet To: Christeos Pir 29 Nov 94 02:20:44 Subject: Re: wideranging myths UpdReq PID: MjF 1.00 MSGID: 93:9000/8 2edad63a and Christeos dicoursed upon Re: Wideranging Myths C P -=> Gaia sent a message to Rab on 22 Nov 94 02:28:00 <=- C P> -=> Re: Re: Wideranging Myths <=- C P> Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. C P> Ga> Get me references. I occasionally work with 15-16 c. Navajo C P> Ga> (Athapaskan) archaeology around here. C P> C P> Say, don't I know you from somewhere? It could be.(G) C P> Question for you: how would I go about having a pot dated? Dating ceramics takes LOTS more gagetey than I have. You'ld have to break a piece off in any case. My C P>mother, who was an amateur/volunteer archaeologist with a special C P>interest in precolumbian Mesoamerica and SW U.S., had a pot which C P>she told me was Navajo and quite old. I find it hard to believe C P>that this pot, which hasn't got a crack or chip, could be all that C P>old and not a replica. I've got an article coming out on shape changes through time in Navajo pottery real soon now. Send me a picture. C P> Love is the law, love under will. C P> - CP C P> C P>... Therefore do ye fret yourselves because of this. C P>--- Blue Wave/Max v2.12 C P> * Origin: The Arena of Anon * Herndon, Virginia * (703) 904-9669 C P>(93:9810/8) Thorson written 11/28/94 06:29 === * CmpQwk #UNREG* UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rab Area: MagickNet To: Gaia 29 Nov 94 22:16:44 Subject: Re: wideranging myths UpdReq MSGID: 93:9630/0.0 2edbee78 -=> Quoting Gaia to Rab <=- Ga> and Rab@93:9630/0.0 dicoursed upon Re: Wideranging Myths R > Hi Gaia; Ga> This WAS NOT WRITTED BY GAIA! She gets on and abuses my machine! Ga> She'll get one of her own hopefully today!! YEA!!!! This IS Thorson's Ga> machine and post. Hi Thorson, then. R > Who's your friend? Ga> Richard S. MacNeish. Aha! He's still at it, then. Good to hear. My supers at the U of Alberta (1983-86) were the indomitable team of Bryan (Allan) & Gruhn (Ruth). R > Ethel (Somebody) from Ottawa. I keep forgetting her surname. R > Perhaps Campbell. I'll have to look it up ... Ga> Get me references. I occasionally work with 15-16 c. Navajo Ga> (Athapaskan) archaeology around here. R > I will. But I'm in the middle of a residential move, so it will have R > to be later. Sorreee! Ga> Don't forget to check when the boxes get opened back up. Getting there ... I do believe I saw Ethel's magnum opus advertised in a popular archaeological mag a few months ago ... now which one? GA>(We've got 20,000 year old dates from a cave Ga> in southern NM) Ga> Actually this is a most conservative date, we've got dated features Ga> that are MUCH older than this. Pendejo Cave is another Richard Ga> MacNeish project. How MUCH older? My Spanish is rusty. Translate please. Ga> I've heard about his [Dillehay's] stratigraphically lower material. Ga> He also alludes Ga> to it in the site reports. He got so much s*** from the rest of his Ga> dept. and NSF that he now only does later stuff. Terrible thing to be subversively early, isn't it? Did you read the piece in Scientific American (about 1986) by Dillehay? R > I also like the Brazilian finds at Toca da Boqueron -- 30-45,000y. Ga> I got to meet the French excavators. I'm not sure of their assocations Ga> with the spalled pictographs and dates. They do have real hearths and Ga> tools though. I'll see a report SOMEDAY. Bryan edited a major collection of reports about Early Man, about 1987, which contains a piece by ... whatsername -- M. Guinon ?... about her dig at Toca da Boqua. But seems to me there's something more recent. Interesting though to find that some new popular geographic books, world surveys/atlases, mention these early finds as a matter of course. Resistance is being nibbled away. R >wonder what will become of Simpson's 200,000y guesses in R >California. Ga> Now this is real shakey stuff, simple flakes out of active alluvial Ga> fans, and no real features. Shakey & flakey, so it seems. Amazing how far an obsession can take one. I remember Al Bryan commenting that there was a chance that a few things she uncovered just might be something, but the main flaw was in her method of classification. R> (When Workman first began scouring the Yukon in the 60s, R >he got a geologist's reading of about 200,000y for one find. But he R >scrapped his report on that in a hurry. Much too far out. 8-] Ga> Geologists without independent dating throw around BIG ballpark Ga> figures. But then they are used to bigger, less precise, age numbers Ga> than archaeologists . Good point. Still, even if this geologist was off by 50%, it's an extremely early date for Beringian occupation. Ga> All this goes to show that First Nations (I really like this Canadian Ga> derived term, wish it would catch on down here) people's were here a Ga> LOT longer than what I learned in school. Therefore their was a longer Ga> period for people to interact and exchange stories. Yes. That's the main point. Ga> I'm sure that such Ga> things as the rabbit in the moon is from Asia, Uh-huh. Ga> duality could have evolved with humans. It became more conscious at that point, at least. Do you have an Internet address? (I should have a new one soon. Let you know, if you like). ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rab Area: MagickNet To: Gaia 29 Nov 94 22:27:46 Subject: Re: wideranging myths UpdReq MSGID: 93:9630/0.0 2edbf10e -=> Quoting Gaia to Rab <=- Ga> and Rab@93:9630/0.0 dicoursed upon Re: Wideranging Myths R > Hi Gaia; Ga> This WAS NOT WRITTED BY GAIA! She gets on and abuses my machine! Ga> She'll get one of her own hopefully today!! YEA!!!! This IS Thorson's Ga> machine and post. I'm trying a private post: Mind telling me your real name, where you're located, and what you're currently working on? Mine's Rab Wilkie, now in Toronto, in between projects after completing an ethno-historical report for the govt. about Skookum Jim and his dreams of Wealth Woman, the Tagish-Tlingit, & the Gold Rush ... gearing up for the centennial of Bonanza in '96. Also, something that might be of interest -- I have a piece, "Spirited Imagination: Ways of Approaching the Shaman's World", in: "Being Changed By Cross-Cultural Encounters: The Anthropology of Extraordinary Experience", edited by David Young & Jean-Guy Goulet, Broadview Press, Peterborough, ON, 1994. (Soon in paperback). ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rab Area: MagickNet To: Claude John Hugwell 29 Nov 94 22:49:46 Subject: Re: chaos UpdReq MSGID: 93:9630/0.0 2edbf638 -=> Quoting Claude John Hugwell to Rab <=- JN> If someone were capable of "picking up" on a particular event while it JN> was still working its way into manifestation, he would give the JN> impression of predicting the future without anything having to travel JN> backwards in time. Ra> But if one were picking up an event in process of manifesting, i.e. Ra> that has not yet happened, the message would be about a trend or Ra> probability. The trend is subject to modification and the exact form Ra> of its concretisation may be may be unforeseeable. (As TS Eliot said, Ra> betwixt thought and act falls the shadow). Some impulses do, however, Ra> ultimately manifest as intended, so some predictions can be accurate. Ra> Especially if these same predictions (or the predictor) assist the Ra> outcome. CJH> OK I've been reading this conversation for a little while now CJH> so I thought i'd put my US$0.75 in. You're thoughts have been noted. But, time is such a dense medium in which to communicate ideas across the centuries. It is more efficient simply to transcend the medium and communicate directly back into all-time or any-time. Of course, you then need transceivers (adepts) who can access the non-temporal dimension(s) from their bases in time. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Avery Area: MagickNet To: All 29 Nov 94 18:06:48 Subject: Witches on tv UpdReq MSGID: 93:9610/0.0 2edbb3e4 REALNAME: Brook Rainflower Hi all! Today, on the Susan Powter talk show, one of the featured guests was Z. Budapest. The topic of the show was aprodisiacs and love potions, which has been a hot topic in some of the echos lately. Z. was showing the audience how to make a potion that one could sprinkle oneself with, or put on like cologne, that would make one seem more attractive to others. Just an interesting tidbit I thought you might enjoy. Avery ... I LOVE The Pagan Board!!! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718 From: Rose Dawn Area: MagickNet To: Rab 28 Nov 94 07:23:48 Subject: Re: chaos, reply part ii UpdReq Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. > On the contrary, results & intentions are an integral part of karmic > law. Intention, in fact is the most important shaper of results. (Karma= > action; karma vipaka=results of previous actions). Good intention inclines > to good result, & bad intention inclines to bad result. In the Sounds like, rather than looking through various sacred texts trying to find various definitions of 'karma' before the concept was enlarged upon and given qualities it didn't originally possess, you accept it as having intrinsic values and existing as an actual force or law. I don't. > Of course it is. Why do you think it isn't? In any case a sociopath is > often MORE subject to the results of his or her actions, not less than > a more balanced individual is. Because I think it has to do more with molding swadharma than 'reaping' karma. If a sociopath lacks the emotional and psychological tweak-factors I was talking about, how would they come into play? Kukarma often 'results' in 'positive' reactions; sukarma in 'suffering.' I don't believe in the objective existence of sanchita karma or praradbha karma; and I think kriyamana karma is entirely psychological in its cause *and* its effects. Love is the law, love under will. 201434369420143436942014343694201434369420143436942014343694718